RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin

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slvemike4u -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/26/2008 10:02:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity And so? People on the other side of the political spectrum have obsessed over president Bush for years and years now, and have called him anything derogatory they could possibly think of. So again, what makes you or anyone else think that Obama should have a pass when it comes to such withering criticism as Bush faced. You might as well get used to it - because the kitchen is heating up, and this is just the beginning. quote: Never said he should get a "free pass"I merely commented on the"court jester"aspect.My thinking being that a simple court jester would not be worthy of all this attention.Withrering criticism would be a step up from being dismissed as a "court jester"would it not

subrob1967 -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/26/2008 10:02:39 PM)
So, just how many of those "200,000" Germans will be voting for Hussein anyway? 2,000, 20,000, 200,000, or 2,000,000 Europeans show up...It doesn't fucking matter, and it didn't do Hussein a damn bit of good here in the U.S., he didn't even get a wee little bump in the polls.

slvemike4u -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/26/2008 10:05:16 PM)
Who is this Hussein guy...iI thought the thread was about Obama in Germany...I am so confused..

SilverWulf -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/26/2008 10:06:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Never said he should get a "free pass"I merely commented on the"court jester"aspect.My thinking being that a simple court jester would not be worthy of all this attention.Withrering criticism would be a step up from being dismissed as a "court jester"would it not Bush has had criticism far worse than 'court jester', yet those that critisize continue to do so often and with increasingly vile rhetoric. If he is worse than a simple court jester, why would he be worthy of so much attention?

Thadius -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/26/2008 10:06:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SophiaCorrupted quote: Uhm... just to be fair here... you said "any living politician ever could". Reagan and JFK used to draw some serious crowds. Oh and I won't get into some of the still living dictators that mandate attendance of the populace... Why would the word living even be there if I were discussing all politicians, living or dead? I would have just left the word out if that were the case. How picky. The way you're reading it implies that I'm comparing Obama's draw to the draw of a politician while dead...why would I even do such a thing. The same reason that many strip clubs advertise "Live Nude Girls". Then again I didn't realize you were going to attempt to narrow the statement.

Sanity -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/26/2008 10:07:45 PM)
If he were running for court jester there would be little problem. However, that is not the case. quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Never said he should get a "free pass"I merely commented on the"court jester"aspect.My thinking being that a simple court jester would not be worthy of all this attention.Withrering criticism would be a step up from being dismissed as a "court jester"would it not

SophiaCorrupted -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/26/2008 10:12:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverWulf Oh really? http://www.dougcooke.com/pics/reagan/casketrear.jpg It appears having a draw and giving a speech aren't the same thing. Just give it up.

SilverWulf -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/26/2008 10:17:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SophiaCorrupted quote: Oh really? http://www.dougcooke.com/pics/reagan/casketrear.jpg It appears having a draw and giving a speech aren't the same thing. Just give it up. Nothing to give up. You got caught in an innacurate statement and are doing everything you can to dig yourself out of the hole. We are talking speeches here, not funerals. Nice try at a distraction. Next time be more careful what you state, simple as that.

slvemike4u -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/26/2008 10:23:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverWulf quote: Bush has had criticism far worse than 'court jester', yet those that critisize continue to do so often and with increasingly vile rhetoric. If he is worse than a simple court jester, why would he be worthy of so much attention? So is it your opinion that bush is doing a bang up job....his approval ratings would seem to dispute that.

DarkVictory -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/26/2008 10:24:03 PM)
Here's a panoramic shot of the event. Judge for yourself. http://www.panoramas.dk/2008/flash/Barack-Obama-berlin.html

DarkVictory -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/26/2008 10:29:07 PM)
Here's an extremely interesting analysis from a very reputable source regarding the Obama campaign. The extreme rethuglofascists on theis board will of course attack the 'liberal slant' of the source, dismiss the actual data, and stick their heads waaay up into a dark place chanting 'lalalalala', but still.... the data is very interesting. http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/article.php?id=AIA2008072401

SilverWulf -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/26/2008 10:32:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: SilverWulf quote: Bush has had criticism far worse than 'court jester', yet those that critisize continue to do so often and with increasingly vile rhetoric. If he is worse than a simple court jester, why would he be worthy of so much attention? So is it your opinion that bush is doing a bang up job....his approval ratings would seem to dispute that. I have never given my opinion on how I think Bush is doing, and that is irrelevant to this discussion.

SophiaCorrupted -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/26/2008 10:33:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverWulf quote: ORIGINAL: SophiaCorrupted quote: Nothing to give up. You got caught in an innacurate statement and are doing everything you can to dig yourself out of the hole. We are talking speeches here, not funerals. Nice try at a distraction. Next time be more careful what you state, simple as that. The only thing I can find inaccurate is that you seem to have thought that Ronald Reagan was still alive. We are talking speeches, and it is because of that that you should have realized that I was speaking about people who are alive, that's what the syntax of the sentence says. But let's be serious, in your attempt at being clever you just showed us that you don't realize that politicians have draws outside of speeches. My words show pretty clearly that I never said you said I did. My posting of his funeral is analogous to you using a Reagan's speech as an example of a speech larger than Obama's. Except mine actually applied to what you said.

slvemike4u -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/26/2008 10:44:13 PM)
I have never given my opinion on how I think Bush is doing, and that is irrelevant to this discussion(quote silverwulf) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That would be why my post was in the form of a question...how it is irrelevant when you brought up the criticism bush recieves is beyond me....

dcnovice -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/27/2008 8:37:36 AM)
quote: Who is this Hussein guy...iI thought the thread was about Obama in Germany...I am so confused.. I think Hussein is Obama's middle name. Referring to him that way is, I'm guessing, a way of making him sound Muslim.

cloudboy -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/27/2008 9:39:20 AM)
Cetliclord will be busy starting Obama threads for the next 8-9 years.

cloudboy -> RE: 200,000...or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin (7/27/2008 10:14:09 AM)
It is no exaggeration to say that the political environment this year is one of the worst for a party in the White House in the past sixty years. You have to go all the way back to 1952 to find an election involving the combination of an unpopular president, an unpopular war, and an economy teetering on the brink of recession. 1952 was also the last time the party in power wasn't represented by either the incumbent president or the incumbent vice-president. But the fact that Democrat Harry Truman wasn't on the ballot didn't stop Republican Dwight Eisenhower from inflicting a crushing defeat on Truman's would-be successor, Adlai Stevenson. Republican's take the most pride in doubling our NATIONAL DEBT. In harkens back to their halcyon years of Reagan-Bush, who took the National Debt from 711B to 2.9 Trillion, transforming the USA from the world's largest creditor nation to its largest debtor nation. U.S. FEDERAL DEBT JAN 21, 2009 $10 TRILLION + EXPECTED JAN 21, 2005 $7,614,468,360,651.30 JAN 19 2001 $5,727,776,738,304.64 JAN 21,1997 $5,310,267,076,516.85 Jan 20 1993 $4,188,092,107,183.60 Bush Jr. has added about $4.3 TRILLION to the US NATIONAL DEBT. That's about $500 Billion a year. He fired the treasury secretary Paul O'Neil for criticizing this policy. (He fired Shinseki for claiming the IRAQ invasion would need more troops.)

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