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RE: Switches - 8/3/2008 3:51:05 PM

MasterKalif

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ElanSubdued,

Everyone is entitled to their opinions...I do not care for yours....

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RE: Switches - 8/3/2008 3:52:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: ImpGrrl

Um...no.

Dom = one who has authority in the relationship. They can be masochistic or sadistic or neither or both.
Sub = one who grants authoirty in the relationship. They can be masochistic or sadistic or neither or both.
Switch = Can be one who is both d and s, or one who is masochistic and sadistic, or both.

Very well put.

And amazing that so many people don't have a grasp of those basics.

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RE: Switches - 8/3/2008 4:25:07 PM

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For me personally, and us personally, Daddy was never looking for a switch or a sub. He was looking for a person he could connect with, regardless of what lable they used.

However he does accept that I am a switch, which has nothing to do with him wanting me to top him. He accepts that I am a switch because I have no interest in dominating him, but I DO love to dominate and top others.

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RE: Switches - 8/3/2008 5:05:51 PM

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MasterKalif,

--- Everyone is entitled to their opinions...
--- I do not care for yours...

Well, I was joking, but there was a degree of my own opinion in the sarcasm. Personally, I don't think a dominant is any less dominant because they choose to do what *they* want to do. If a dominant wishes someone to top them, so be it. I'm a submissive, who, from time-to-time, has tried his hand at dominance. This doesn't make me a dominant and it certainly doesn't make me any less submissive. As I alluded in previous posts, my experience is that people are a lot more complex, multi-layered, and multi-faceted than BDSM labels can adequately define. Please accept my apologies for my previously flippant remark. You did kind of invite this sort of reply though. Still, I'll admit that behind my sarcasm I was acting like an ass. Sorry about that. :-)

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RE: Switches - 8/3/2008 7:43:50 PM

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Elan is just a snarkolicious little Sassmonkey. I'd be happy to spank him for you, MKalif.

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RE: Switches - 8/3/2008 8:16:49 PM

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*adjusts his bifocals while he waits to view spanking scene*

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RE: Switches - 8/4/2008 3:28:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: femalesub41

It confuses me that so many Masters say they want a submissive or a switch. Does that mean the Master wants to switch? Does it mean they can be submissive to the Master and switch with someone else? I am just not sure how to take that.
Thank you,
donna

Ask them directly as They are the only one who can tell you what They mean, but don't assume that what one means by it will be the same as another means by it. Each will have Their Own individual slant on it.

Personaly I don't look for a switch, if I find what I seek and she happens to be a switch then she would be fully submissive to Me, I am not interested in the other side of her but I might be willing to accomodate it (Allowing her to take a pet of her own)..... the 'might' depends on the person and the chemistry between Us.

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RE: Switches - 8/4/2008 4:03:34 AM

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In all reality, I've never had a true switch. I do enjoy the high energy of Domme on Dom action... but I have so many restrictions on what I will allow (No movement restrictions and No pain for me!) that very few want to go passed some good natured ribbing. I'm currently working on training my favorite boy to be a touch more aggressive. I'm enjoying that. I see that fire burning in him... I'm just trying to fan it a bit.

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RE: Switches - 8/4/2008 11:49:18 AM

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MsStarlett:
Elan is just a snarkolicious little Sassmonkey. I'd be happy to spank him for you, MKalif.

SirWAX:
*adjusts his bifocals while he waits to view spanking scene*

Well gee... with this as the lead-in, I be rather foolish not to respond as follows:

*kneels, positions, and adjusts his snarkolicious, sassmonkey, smiling, scrumptious ass for the lovely MsStarlett* :-)

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RE: Switches - 8/4/2008 12:17:53 PM

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As a switch there is an implication if I am with a dom then I am the sub. If I am with a sub then I am the dom. It is no different than bisexuality. A straight dude can want a bi or straight girl for straight sex and still be straight.

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RE: Switches - 8/4/2008 4:03:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued
*kneels, positions, and adjusts his snarkolicious, sassmonkey, smiling, scrumptious ass for the lovely MsStarlett* :-)

Oh Goodie! *Running to borrow Cassie's Popper* I want to enjoy every stroke of this! Now don't forget to repeat "Thank you Mistress. May I have another?" after every pop. I'm not stopping until both cheeks are glowing redder than Rudolf's nose.

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RE: Switches - 8/8/2008 11:49:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

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ORIGINAL: MasterDragon1963

Its simple....

Dom = Top
Sub = Bottom
Switch = Both

And if your gonna split hairs over what someone is in D/s mode, and what they turn into in M/s mode, or what they might become in B/d mode, thats juust another can of worms

Interesting point of view.

Master/slave also known as M/s usually refers to Leather Folk.

Dominant/submissive also known as D/s uaually refers to the Long or Short Term Relationships that may or may not involve S&M.

Top/bottom usually refers to the Role of the person involved in a S&M Scene the Top being the one inflicting the Pain the Bottom being the one who usually recieves it.

None are Mutually exclusive to one another.

A Dom can be a Dom and Not consider himself a Master because he is not Leather Protocol and he may enjoy receiving a Flogging from time to time Makeing him the Bottom in that session.

Then again you can Consider yourself a Master and a Dom and a Top

Or you can be like me who really isn't a Sadist so I am neither a Bottom or a Top. I am Just a Dom.

I think you are pushing your own views on the BDSM Community. You will find that there are many points of views.

Steel

SteelofUtah:

Well said. I agree 100%

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RE: Switches - 8/8/2008 11:57:00 AM

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This is my opinion only. Many may disagree with me.

I am a TOP/DOM/MASTER........... I only enjoy a switch when she is in bottom/submissive/slave mode.

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RE: Switches - 8/9/2008 3:26:39 PM

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Wow, why do so many people have such fixed, limited points of view regarding switches? I know a huge number of people who identify as switches and find this thread to be very disheartening.

Lets compare this to being bi-sexual. If a guy dates a female bi-sexual does that make him a bi-sexual? Does being a bi-sexual mean the person has no interst in being in a committed or monogamous relationship? The fact that they are bi-sexual only means that they, in some way shape or form, like both sexes.

I would also like to point out that the Old Guard culture our entire lifestyle is based on was inherently tied to switching. An Old Guard Master had to start out as a bottom and EARN the right to be a master. Frequently, from what I understand, most Masters still had a Daddy of their own. Does anyone here think that makes an Old Guard Master any less of a dominant? If so, I'd love ot be around and hear you tell one that in person - the fireworks would likely be amazing to watch.

Being a switch means the person likes multiple aspects of BDSM. Maybe they are both dominant and submissive. Maybe they are a dominant, sadistic masochist. Maybe they are a submissive sadist. Who knows, it can be any combination of the possibiliteis to any degree. For example, just because a masochist also identifies as a sadist that has no indication on the level of intensity they enjoy in either. Likewise, a person can be both a very authoritative dominant and a compliant submissive. Usually these contrasts occur at different times and with different people. Most switches I know aren't dominant and submissive to the same person for example, but it is possible.

Being a switch means - you're a switch. Which doesn't really say much because there are as many kinds of switches as there are manufacturers of cars. Just because you like buying Toyota doesn't mean you hate America.

Seeking a switch means - could mean just about anything.
So lets use an examples.

Dominant seeks submissives and switches - probably someone looking to play with submissives. Switches can be just as submissive as "submissives" can.
Submissive seeks dominants and switches - probably someone looking to submit to a dominant. Switches can be just as dominant as "dominants" can.
Switch seeks submissives and switches - Most likely someone looking for submissives and probably not looking to switch with them. But you never know for sure unless you ask.
Switch seeks switches - Well if they are ONLY seeking switches then they are probably looking to switch with that person. But, once again, you don't know if you don't ask.

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RE: Switches - 8/9/2008 4:05:48 PM

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ElanSubdued & SteelofUtah - excellent remarks

Sunnyfey - I know quite a few people, many of which are friends, in similar situations. If you're wired to like everything then why not have everything. Participating in one does not make you any lesser in another.

AMaster - How could anyone disagree with that? You self identify as a t/d/m, so why would anyone expect that you'd want anything other than b/s/s from a switch? Besides, you're stating what you enjoy so no one in the world could possibly be more of an expert on that than you (well, uless your sub/slave is really *that* good).

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ORIGINAL: uninterested5
Holy shit, the cat's the out the bag ...

ROFL, thought I was going to die laughing. Nicely done.

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ORIGINAL: MasterKalif
MsStarlett....just because someone calls themselves a "Dominant" it does not mean they are...specially when it is all online.

Talking about ourselves, are we? Any chance that you're not an active member of your local BDSM community? Its much easier to have a very rigid opinion of how things should work when one hasn't had much actual exposure.

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RE: Switches - 8/9/2008 8:20:43 PM

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donna the best way to know what they mean is to ask them, as you could take a poll of 100 D types and come up with at LEAST 99 different answers.

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RE: Switches - 8/14/2008 10:33:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah
Correct me if I am wrong please, but I get from this that you are a slave, and from time to time you engage in Top activities. I.e. you are both a slave and a Sadist. According to our frineds definition you do not exist you cannot be both. This is why I was so vocal to say that This is This and That is That and be done with it you seperate a LARGE portion of what BDSM can and does mean.
Did I explain this well enough?
Then again there is always the possibility that you and I just don't agree on this subject.
Steel

Wooo Hooo i do not exsist...LOL

i was a gorean slave for a few years, then on my own as a switch for more then 10 years, now im a slave again, only because i have found a great Man and a fabulous Master....am i still a switch...i believe so..i just happen to be a 24/7 high protocol slave who is a switch.....i still fight with the Dominant side of my personality and still enjoy inflicting pain and my will on others...i just dont get the chance to do so often...though i have found that by training dogs i get some sense of that control...:) Make sense? All of this just makes picking titles frustrating...even more so since i dont exisit....