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cloudboy -> The American Communist Party (7/28/2008 6:59:51 PM)


I must say this BUSH WHITE house is the closest thing I've ever seen in the US to the USSR's old communist party.




kittinSol -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/28/2008 7:06:45 PM)

Nice. I particularly loved this:

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Justice Department officials then began using the technique to search for key phrases or words in an applicant’s background, like “abortion,” “homosexual,” “Florida recount,” or “guns.”



We all know there's a certain level of nepotism and corruption, but at such a high level of the justice system? It's fucking terrifying. 'Scuse my French.




hisannabelle -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/28/2008 7:24:12 PM)

-fr-

i'm just amazed the article even got published.




TheHeretic -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/28/2008 9:14:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

-fr-

i'm just amazed the article even got published.




           It's a First Amendment thing, Anna.  You might want to look into it.  Kinda cool, actually, and fairly rare.




Termyn8or -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/28/2008 11:54:17 PM)

Already there, already knew it, had no need to click the link.

We are the only communist country in the world that doesn't know it.

Been said, and is correct. My assessment.

T




FirmhandKY -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 2:09:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Nice. I particularly loved this:

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Justice Department officials then began using the technique to search for key phrases or words in an applicant’s background, like “abortion,” “homosexual,” “Florida recount,” or “guns.”



We all know there's a certain level of nepotism and corruption, but at such a high level of the justice system? It's fucking terrifying. 'Scuse my French.


"Throw the bums out!"

"Time to hire our bums instead."

Since the days of GW Washington, I'm afraid. Nothing new here.  Nor anything that will be any different in a Democratic administration.

Communist? yadda, yadda. *yawn*

Firm




meatcleaver -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 2:17:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Communist? yadda, yadda. *yawn*

Firm



Bush might not be a communist but he's sure involved in politburo politics. Though I doubt he is intelligent enough to formulate coherent policy, which is about the only thing saving America from a putsch because America has enough rightwing ideologues that have proved they do not take democracy seriously. 




Vendaval -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 2:32:55 AM)

Thank you for the link, cloudboy. 
 
Charges of perjury and potential loss of bar licenses sound good to me.




FirmhandKY -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 2:38:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Thank you for the link, cloudboy. 
 
Charges of perjury and potential loss of bar licenses sound good to me.


So you would support charges against the Clinton administration for similar actions?  [8D]

Firm




Vendaval -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 2:54:39 AM)

The law is the law, regardless of which party or person sits in a particular chair.




cloudboy -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 6:43:36 AM)


Really, when did anyone under Clinton systemically politicize the Justice Department or fire attorneys for political reasons?





pahunkboy -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 6:56:13 AM)

the so called 'activist judges"  is often a result of  shoddy legislation.




Thadius -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 7:20:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Really, when did anyone under Clinton systemically politicize the Justice Department or fire attorneys for political reasons?




Well this answers the question about turning over the Justice Department. 
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The difference appears minor. Both McNulty and Sampson acknowledged that the Bush administration, like the Clinton administration, brought in a new slate of U.S. attorneys within a few months of taking office.
But historical data compiled by the Senate show the pattern going back to President Reagan.
Reagan replaced 89 of the 93 U.S. attorneys in his first two years in office. President Clinton had 89 new U.S. attorneys in his first two years, and President Bush had 88 new U.S. attorneys in his first two years.


I won't comment on what Janet Reno did or didn't do in terms of investigations... that is all a matter of public record.




FirmhandKY -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 9:33:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Really, when did anyone under Clinton systemically politicize the Justice Department or fire attorneys for political reasons?




Well this answers the question about turning over the Justice Department. 
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The difference appears minor. Both McNulty and Sampson acknowledged that the Bush administration, like the Clinton administration, brought in a new slate of U.S. attorneys within a few months of taking office.
But historical data compiled by the Senate show the pattern going back to President Reagan.
Reagan replaced 89 of the 93 U.S. attorneys in his first two years in office. President Clinton had 89 new U.S. attorneys in his first two years, and President Bush had 88 new U.S. attorneys in his first two years.


I won't comment on what Janet Reno did or didn't do in terms of investigations... that is all a matter of public record.


heh! 

You were nicer than I probably would have been, Thadius.  [:D]

Firm




cloudboy -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 1:45:27 PM)

You forgot to add in any references for violating US laws. Restatffing or hiring government employees is one thing, but vetting non political appointees according to party loyalties is illegal. Where's the story of a Democratically alligned Justice Department official blackballing attorneys b/c they were NRA members or because they opposed abortion?

Neither Clinton or Reagan had officials break the law in this regard, correct?

I can't even fathom why you would want to condone this conduct.

It is sick and twisted, especially the parts about immigration judges, inferior candidates, and blackballing a suspected lesbian.

-------

Sidenote: The US is projecting a $490B budget deficit this year. As in past years, the Bush Whitehouse always excludes the cost of the IRAQ war ($80B) from the budget calculations. Why do they do this? What public policy are they trying to serve?




asyouwish72 -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 2:34:24 PM)

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Well this answers the question about turning over the Justice Department. 
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The difference appears minor. Both McNulty and Sampson acknowledged that the Bush administration, like the Clinton administration, brought in a new slate of U.S. attorneys within a few months of taking office.
But historical data compiled by the Senate show the pattern going back to President Reagan.
Reagan replaced 89 of the 93 U.S. attorneys in his first two years in office. President Clinton had 89 new U.S. attorneys in his first two years, and President Bush had 88 new U.S. attorneys in his first two years.


To those who dubiously believe the current political interference in hiring at the Justice Department is somehow "normal", a quick review of the facts is in order.

As the above quote mentions, U.S. Attorneys are replaced as a matter of course when presidential administrations change- it is, in fact, quite unusual for them not to be. This is because U.S. Attorneys are political appointees. The heads of executive departments are routinely replaced for the same reason. It's a normal part of the political process. For a quick "FAQ" on U.S. Attorneys (for those asleep in Civics class), check here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Attorneys

What is at issue currently relates to the hiring practices used to screen career service positions- the very people who are supposed to provide long-term, apolitical continuity in departments like Justice. There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that the Clinton administration (or ANY presidential administration in recent memory) has ever even considered crossing this line before. This is not "business as usual"; it's farcical to represent it as such. It's also not a right-wing or left-wing issue. Rather, it is yet another example of this administration's basic and fundamental contempt for the rule of law. It is such a blatant example of political corruption that it reaches the level of caricature.

So for all the Bush apologists out there, please get your facts straight. You are miles off base.





Slavehandsome -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 2:41:43 PM)

Wikipedia has proven itself to be such a purist authority.  Yeah right! 




kittinSol -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 3:32:11 PM)

Yeah right. What point are you making, exactly?

Arguing against the source instead of arguing the point is a constant source of amusement for those right-wing posters who freely post bullshit prop from Fox News and other dodgy 'news' outlets, secure in the knowledge that their references will raise hell from more moderate, balanced posters.

Why not argue the point, instead of deride the source which, in this case, was purely 'illustrative'? Wikipedia is perfectly alright when it merely quotes other sources, like any other encyclopaedia would. It gets dodgy when Fox News terrorists start fiddling with the information on there [;)] .

Here is asyouwish's main point: it was well-put, and I'll repeat it just for those who may have missed it:

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What is at issue currently relates to the hiring practices used to screen career service positions- the very people who are supposed to provide long-term, apolitical continuity in departments like Justice. There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that the Clinton administration (or ANY presidential administration in recent memory) has ever even considered crossing this line before. This is not "business as usual"; it's farcical to represent it as such. It's also not a right-wing or left-wing issue. Rather, it is yet another example of this administration's basic and fundamental contempt for the rule of law. It is such a blatant example of political corruption that it reaches the level of caricature.



There is no justification: the shame is that those that committed this disgusting crap thought the rest of the country was stupid enough to let this go by without flinching.




farglebargle -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 3:37:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

-fr-

i'm just amazed the article even got published.



I'd suggest that the choice to permit the publication of this is simply evidence of the level of real control the Loyal Bushies possess.

You aren't going to see the Networks show this on the evening news. They remember what happened to Dan Rather. ( Well, that and the 6 years of spying on everyone has amassed an incredible collection of blackmail material ).





Thadius -> RE: The American Communist Party (7/29/2008 6:52:11 PM)

You mean things like, replacing a sitting US Attorney with a personal protege?  Cough... Little Rock.

quote:

Excerpt from "Absolute Power"

In 1993, shortly after she was installed as attorney general, Janet Reno sent an unmistakable signal that her Justice Department would primarily serve the political ends of Bill Clinton rather than the ends of justice. At once, she fired all 93 of the country's United States attorneys. According to no less an authority than Ted Olson, President George Bush's chief postelection attorney, Reno's move was extreme and unprecedented. "In order to maintain continuity in thousands of pending prosecutions, and as a statement to the public that elections do not influence routine law enforcement, the nation's top prosecutors are traditionally replaced only after their successors have been located, appointed, and confirmed by the Senate. On instructions from the White House (she claimed it was a 'joint' decision; no one believes that), Reno ordered all 93 to leave in ten days. There could not have been a clearer signal that the Clinton campaign war room had taken over law enforcement in America."



There is no point in discussing the other scandals, as those are well documented, and have been beaten beyond dead.  But let's assume that this is the first administration to do anything close to this.  Let's further assume that the accusations are true. Why ignore who actually found the problem and brought it to light...the  Justice Department, which is conducting an investigation into alleged misdeeds...

So let me get this straight, the issue here is regarding a lame duck president's Justice Department that was stacked to be favorable to his political and moral beliefs, yet it is this corrupt and stacked Justice Department that found the pattern and began an investigation.  Is that about right?

It seems to me that Glenn Fine has been doing a pretty damn good at his job as inspector general, not only did he find this issue but he also found faults in handling of law enforcement grants....

Just saying,
Thadius




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