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RE: Annoying slaves? - 8/1/2008 4:57:08 PM   
MstrTiger


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ORIGINAL: FemmeSavant

Tiger Dom;

Interesting post.  Even far more interesting web site.  I must admit that your web site seem to be an exercise in ego as oppose to an exercise in education.  But then that is my perception.  Also, I'm curious...the advice you give...is it meant to cater to the gay leather scene?  or a pansexual scene?  The tone you take...this mantra of indifference you speak of may work with the boys...but definately does not work with women.  I think in this climate both in the UK and in the U.S., a sense of mutual need is ever so critical.  For it will be those acts and behavior that show my need for my slave that will actually empower her.  On yoru web site you mention a need to instill upon a slave how important it is they realize that they need you far more then you'll ever need them.  If this is something you use to strictly try to establish power and that foundation of control then fine, but if you truely accept that to be taught as a rule of thumb then I fear you may be taking liberties that you may not have any right to be taking.  Remember TD...what your web site is strictly your opinion.

So when you ask why they ask stupid questions....remember...it's only you who feels they are stupid.  They're asked because they need to be asked.  Don't you feel that we as Dominants ask soome pretty stupid questions ourselves?  Or does you ego presume to assume that because we are Dominant that we're absolved from the stupidity factor?

Anyway...just my opinoin.

Melissa

 
Rant of the day….
All art is created to flatter someone’s ego be it the artist or the person who paid to commission it, I am not saying my website is a work of art that would be a silly thing to claim I intended it to be a working machine to teach vulnerable slaves things they should know, though I have received many many emails from people of all ages that have found it useful. I made it because I once ran a yahoo group and many of the slaves who were members of it felt a need to express themselves though they did not know how to go about doing it.

I am by no means saying my site has all the info they need on it, and I have indeed demonstrated that by adding lists of books they might want to look at to improve their knowledge though they are very few that are specifically for gay readers. I made it from scratch without knowing a single thing about web design I and I am quite happy with the outcome though I am sorry it does not meet your obviously high standards. I made it at a time when there was very little practical guidance around for young new slaves within the gay BDSM community (and that is still the case) some of the stories I have heard from young guys from all over the world who were just starting to get involved in it are truly deeply shocking.

A section of the gay BDSM community is currently enamoured with the idea of BB sex (Bare Back) sex without protection, to the point where in some places infecting young guys with HIV is actually seen as a sort of initiation right, unprotected sex is extremely prevalent in the gay porn industry, though steps have started to be taken against it. I wanted to say something practical in the hope that it might lead people to not ruin their lives in such a way I know my site does not really reflect the notion of there being love between a 2 people engaged in BDSM activities though for many of the people it is aimed towards love and sex are two totally different and quite distinct worlds.

I don’t like my relationships to be based on a sense of need I prefer they to be based on a sense of desire I find excessive neediness often suffocates relationships rather than kindling them. I am a gay British dom and I obviously wrote my site from my point of view and it is based entirely on my experiences my ego is part of that I guess though I like the personal air that it has about it, it is mine it should have a sense of me in it.

Overall I think your criticism of me and my website is largely baseless you clearly have absolutely no knowledge of the section of society it is aimed towards, not everyone lives in your fluffy little world. Not every young guy is strong enough to say no to people who tell him that being involved in BDSM means contracting HIV and being tortured to the point where I cant even bring myself to mention it on this forum. I made my site to give the younger guys I was chatting to something slightly more positive to look towards where they can see examples of what good erotic pain play is.

If a young guy looks at my website and then goes on to expect a little indifference from a master then he might question in his own mind why is this master obsessing over me to the point of it being a compulsion? why is this 55 year old man telling me I am his property and have no choice about it? why is he obsessed with the idea of infecting with an incurable debilitating illness to initiate me as one of his slaves?

Airy floaty on high piffle about the nature of romantic relationships and the dynamics therein have absolutely no place whatsoever on my site. There are many gay couples within this lifestyle that are in loving relationships though overall it is not the norm. I intended my website to be practical, it is mostly a lesson to young gay slaves in what not to do far more than it is a lesson about what to do. I am not claiming it is an anyway perfect, I am 27 I have been around the block a few times though I certainly don’t know everything, it is a personal project and thus is a reflection of me and my ego as are all things created by all humans it would be impossible to make it otherwise I am not a machine. I made it to try and help people not harm them as you are baselessly insinuating.

I don’t think dominants are absolved from the stupidity factor, the whole point of my website is to highlight that for slaves and perhaps give them some hope of avoiding problems, it might not be obvious to people who clearly know nothing about the world I am writing about though it is defiantly in there.

Ps. It does say GAY BDSM ADVICE quite prominently on the banner header.

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RE: Annoying slaves? - 8/1/2008 5:10:19 PM   
MstrTiger


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

The Queen was in Cumbria recently, and my first thought was "I wonder if Master Tiger saw her"!


Unfortunately I did not go to see her she does not come here very often, Prince Charles comes to the lake district quite often though.

Whitehaven where she was visiting was attacked by John Paul Jones the father of the American navy in 1778 (random fact of the day)

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RE: Annoying slaves? - 8/1/2008 5:20:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MstrTiger
Not every young guy is strong enough to say no to people who tell him that being involved in BDSM means contracting HIV and being tortured to the point where I cant even bring myself to mention it on this forum. I made my site to give the younger guys I was chatting to something slightly more positive to look towards where they can see examples of what good erotic pain play is.

I haven't gone through your site, but I agree that young gay male sub/slaves face all the pressures you describe, and the gotta-get-me-some-HIV subfrenzy/peer pressure drives social workers in San Fran crazy.

The CollarChat boards are heavily hetero, and most of the homosexuals who post are female.  You could take this as an opportunity to educate people, instead of ranting.


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Not with envy, not with a twisted heart, shall you feel superior, or go about boasting. Rather in goodness by action make true your song and your word. Thus you shall be highly regarded, and able to live in peace with all others.
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RE: Annoying slaves? - 8/1/2008 8:14:33 PM   
dcnovice


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I must admit that your web site seem to be an exercise in ego as oppose to an exercise in education.  But then that is my perception.


Wow, my perception was very different. As a gay guy new to the world of BDSM, I really appreciated that someone took a considerable amount of time to provide information that I found very helpful. That struck me as an act of generosity rather than ego. To me, the tone seemed amazingly neutral, simply presenting the information without trying to be showy or clever or otherwise aggrandizing the author.

And you gotta love the stick figures!

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RE: Annoying slaves? - 8/2/2008 9:05:28 PM   
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I also find slaves that do not know what they really want to drive me crazy............OD

< Message edited by OmegaDriver -- 8/2/2008 9:06:09 PM >

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RE: Annoying slaves? - 8/3/2008 8:32:29 AM   
dcnovice


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Whitehaven where she was visiting was attacked by John Paul Jones the father of the American navy in 1778 (random fact of the day)


In the strange coincidences department, I saw Jones's tomb at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis yesterday. Along with some lovely eye candy.

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