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MasterlessOne -> RE: Subs/slaves submission a gift? (7/31/2008 3:28:08 PM)
in my own humble opinion it is truly a gift. if the slave and Master get along very well, the slave would want to give herself to her Master fully, to become his. this is the greatest gift she can give to her Master, and knowing that it will please him makes it the best gift also. if the slave doesn't feel right about giving herself freely to the Master and is basically told to then it is no longer a gift. it does not take on the same significance that way.

aggressiveblkdom -> RE: Subs/slaves submission a gift? (7/31/2008 8:12:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterAramis I think that the reason people call it a "gift" is because submission, by definition, has to be given. If it is taken, forced, coerced, then it is not submission. For example, were I captured by a ruthless dictator and in fear for my life, I'll bet I would obey him, would I respect him in my heart? No, I would fear and hate him. He would not have my loyalty, devotion, or submission; he would have surface obedience only until I could get away. But, someone who earns my respect and devotion I submit to because I am drawn to follow Him. So, in short, I think submission is given, and in that sense it is a gift. But I also believe Dominance is a gift, for I could not give submission unless someone gives me dominance in return, for they are intertwined as two sides of the same coin. How can I submit without something, someone to submit to? Just the first ramblings of a slave this morning.. ;) cheers, anna, slave of Master Aramis Duval I am going to have to agree with this viewpoint. I have seen some say that submission is in the person's nature. While this may be true, if submission was not something to be given wouldnt the sub simply submit to anyone of a dominant nature whom they come across, whether it is someone they respect, or feel is worthy of that submission?

SirWAX -> RE: Subs/slaves submission a gift? (8/1/2008 2:44:09 AM)
fr Wow. This is a good discussion, only got part way through it. While I agree with both sides, I'm going to have to agree more that it is NOT a "gift", here is my reasoning behind this thought: Submission, like respect and trust, is something EARNED and only sometimes GIVEN. When you say something is a "gift", it implies nothing in return. For example, (as been said before) when I give somebody a gift, they always haven't necessarily earned it that gift, yet, I gave it to them nonetheless, not expecting anything back from giving that gift. In my humble opinion, submission is therefore not a gift, though it can be if you choose to give it away. Can anybody else see this who saw it as a gift by this explanation or not? Sincerely, SirWaxaLot

MasterHermes -> RE: Subs/slaves submission a gift? (8/3/2008 5:15:57 PM)
Did you know that my presence is a gift? I am giving you a very important gift only by posting here.

masterlink65 -> RE: Subs/slaves submission a gift? (8/3/2008 5:52:01 PM)
submission of a slave. the gift that keeps giving, all day every day. i would rather have my slaves gift of submission over a new pair of socks anyday. without submission the is no domination. a slave gift of submission is the ultimate sign of respect and surrender.

teal -> RE: Subs/slaves submission a gift? (8/3/2008 6:30:03 PM)
hear. hear....exactly what i think

SirWAX -> RE: Subs/slaves submission a gift? (8/3/2008 8:31:42 PM)
gets on the wall very good point. may change my view.

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