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South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/29/2008 9:55:41 PM

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I have a divided opinion on this tactic. Will the results be positive, negative or will there be no impact at all?

"L.A.: No new fast-food outlets in poor area"

LOS ANGELES (AP) --

City officials are putting South Los Angeles on a diet.

The City Council voted unanimously Tuesday to place a moratorium on new fast food restaurants in an impoverished swath of the city with a proliferation of such eateries and above-average rates of obesity.

The yearlong moratorium -- which the mayor still must sign into law -- is intended to give the city time to attract restaurants that serve healthier food. The action is believed to be the first of its kind by a major city to protect public health."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/29/fast.food.ban.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/29/2008 10:01:31 PM

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is it designed to protect public health or force feed another spoonful of government down the publics throats?

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/29/2008 10:03:55 PM

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OMFG, does this mean that fartitos burrito stand can't be built now?

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/29/2008 10:04:28 PM

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While most fast-food is indeed terrible for one's health, there are some healthy fast food alternatives that are still fairly cost friendly.

I, too, have mixed emotions about this. I think personal choice and responsibilty are going by the wayside due to government thinking for us and our welfare (rolls eyes). However, those who are poverty stricken (or even some who are above poverty levels according to the govt) tend to have fewer choices in where they dine and what they can afford from the grocery stores. I've been there, sometimes it is cheaper to feed a family of four at McDonald's than it is to cook a healthy meal at home.

Maybe instead of a moritorium, they should make unhealthy food places charge more and healthy places charge less...lol. Sorta joking, sorta serious.

I did not read the link yet, but I wonder if the moratorium will ban the 'healthy' fast food types too.

*Goes to read link to find out*

ETA:

"Thirty percent of adults in South Los Angeles are obese, compared to 19.1 percent for the metropolitan area and 14.1 percent for the affluent Westside, according to the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health."

They forget to mention that the affluent people have access to gym memberships, can afford bicycles and other sports equipment, and can afford to do more active things than those on limited or fixed incomes.

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/29/2008 10:36:33 PM

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Oh this is just nonsense. It's essentially saying that poor people are too dumb to make their own decisions, so the government is going to do it for them. I don't know about other people, but I don't worry about eating healthy when I go out to eat. If I want to eat healthy, I stay home and prepare my own meals. When I go out to eat, I want to enjoy myself. So I eat things that taste good, but aren't necessarily good for me.

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/29/2008 10:38:16 PM

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Oh this is just nonsense. It's essentially saying that poor people are too dumb to make their own decisions, so the government is going to do it for them. I don't know about other people, but I don't worry about eating healthy when I go out to eat. If I want to eat healthy, I stay home and prepare my own meals. When I go out to eat, I want to enjoy myself. So I eat things that taste good, but aren't necessarily good for me.

They need to ban fancy restaurants in beverly hills instead. Those obese movie stars set a horrible example for delicate minds.

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/29/2008 10:43:41 PM

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Oh this is just nonsense. It's essentially saying that poor people are too dumb to make their own decisions, so the government is going to do it for them. I don't know about other people, but I don't worry about eating healthy when I go out to eat. If I want to eat healthy, I stay home and prepare my own meals. When I go out to eat, I want to enjoy myself. So I eat things that taste good, but aren't necessarily good for me.

But you don't live in a poor area with a dearth of groceries but plentiful fast food operations.

Folks who live in parts of the south side of chicago are several miles away from the nearest supermarket with bus travel their only real option for getting there. Getting a few days of groceries home on a CTA bus is a pleasure everyone should experience just once.

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/29/2008 11:03:10 PM

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I want to say people are being punished for being broke ( I want to go on a real bad tangent about don't tell me what to....), except all they are saying is they can't add anymore or have them expand. One mother of four who would be willing to pay a little extra is not going to get it. If four kids can be fed with five bucks and the family is on a week to week , its a no brainer. I imagine that a lot of work is found in day labor that isn't consistent. If the "healthier" restaurants are going to stay open the hours that most people in that economic sector work, its even better.
I also want to say that until the day that the powers that be stop allowing whatever crap they allow to be injected into steaks to make it look fresher than what it is..........they can go to hell. Don't ask. I don't have time and even if I did, this topic ain't worth it. I've already proven I'm willing to back my shit up. I'm not jumping hoops for this. Although, I am damn greatful for your change of pace in topics.
Third, it seems to me that an awful lot of energy was put into this........bandaid solution in an impoverished area. It might be prudent to place that energy (cash) into some of the other problems within that community.

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/29/2008 11:04:29 PM

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yep, look at Gary. No grocery stores.

edited to add: I drove down Broadway on my way to Michigan City. I swear: auto shop, fried chicken, liquor store, repeat.

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/29/2008 11:07:21 PM

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But you don't live in a poor area with a dearth of groceries but plentiful fast food operations.

Folks who live in parts of the south side of chicago are several miles away from the nearest supermarket with bus travel their only real option for getting there. Getting a few days of groceries home on a CTA bus is a pleasure everyone should experience just once.

Ken, I live in one of the poorest states in the country. We have a huge problem with obesity. The majority of the restaurants around here do not serve healthy food. I'm not just talking about the fast food places. The town I live in is a tourist town, so we have a lot of restaurants of every variety you can think of. But most of what they serve is not healthy.

As far as grocery stores go, the closest one to me is two miles away. It's in a predominately black section of town.

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/30/2008 2:44:30 AM

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What's the practical impact? The high end restaurants won't build there, so it boils down to protecting the existing fast food places' turf.

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/30/2008 6:09:13 AM

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Aren't you on the "ban the automobile" bandwagon?

Or at least on the "keep gasoline unaffordable" bandwagon?

I mean, what about the poor, helpless planet...

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Folks who live in parts of the south side of chicago are several miles away from the nearest supermarket with bus travel their only real option for getting there. Getting a few days of groceries home on a CTA bus is a pleasure everyone should experience just once.

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/30/2008 6:31:01 AM

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Aren't you on the "ban the automobile" bandwagon?

Or at least on the "keep gasoline unaffordable" bandwagon?

I mean, what about the poor, helpless planet...

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Folks who live in parts of the south side of chicago are several miles away from the nearest supermarket with bus travel their only real option for getting there. Getting a few days of groceries home on a CTA bus is a pleasure everyone should experience just once.

You seem to misunderstand my point.

The vast majority of people in the affected areas don't/can't afford to drive just to eat. So with no groceries the fast food places become their only options.

The LA city council is hopefully also trying to get supermarkets to move into the area where they banned new fast food places.

As to cars and gas. I own a car and certainly have no intention of giving it up. I think present gas standards are a joke and that SUV's should be taxed so much only people who absolutely have to hav ethem will buy them.

Gas prices are high due to the oil companies knowing they can get away with anything while GWB is in office. They'll be down to around $2.50 a gallon next summer.

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/30/2008 7:03:24 AM

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They forget to mention that the affluent people have access to gym memberships, can afford bicycles and other sports equipment, and can afford to do more active things than those on limited or fixed incomes.

Right. Those fees to take a walk are a killer...

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/30/2008 7:18:54 AM

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Oh this is just nonsense. It's essentially saying that poor people are too dumb to make their own decisions, so the government is going to do it for them.
But you don't live in a poor area with a dearth of groceries but plentiful fast food operations.

My guess is that if grocery stores were opened, the genteel folks who live in such poor areas either wouldn't patronise them or "want their share of the profits" lol

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/30/2008 10:10:45 AM

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well they can take out what they want and put in something else but you cant make a horse drink. besides i agree with other pepole who have said i is too expensive to eat at subway compared to burger king.
oh and yeah the taxes on walks are expensive. especially when its 113 degrees outside and the nearset grocery store is two miles away and its loads of fun walking with all those groceries.
and if the walk comment was meant as in taking a walk just for health. well i would liekto but the neighbors sometimes shoot at each other or rape lone women walking alone. is that really worth a few pounds lost? nah rather be fat and alive.

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/30/2008 10:19:37 AM

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Normally I would be on the bandwagon for equal rights to all. Let them open up new fast food franchises.

Although I know the area they are talking about. It is fast food joint after fast food joint. I don't know if there are any additional ones they could fit in.
Fast food, gas stations, liquor stores and grocery stores is all it is. Predominantly fast food.
Let them ban it and make room for something else in that area.

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/30/2008 10:37:20 AM

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I just want to know how I can do this in my world. I hate fast food. (cept liver and gizzard day at KFC once or twice a year.........it's a weakness..)

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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/30/2008 10:51:18 AM

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Oh this is just nonsense. It's essentially saying that poor people are too dumb to make their own decisions, so the government is going to do it for them. I don't know about other people, but I don't worry about eating healthy when I go out to eat. If I want to eat healthy, I stay home and prepare my own meals. When I go out to eat, I want to enjoy myself. So I eat things that taste good, but aren't necessarily good for me.

Or to poor(literally)to drive to the "good" side of town to get proper food.

If there`s no access to proper food,folks are going to eat what`s around.

If all you have in poor(er) neighborhoods are liquor stores,McDonalds,Lotto outlets and the like,you`re going to have a poorer quality of life.

Does anyone have a problem with your town`s zoning laws concerning the number of bars in town?

Would anyone freak-out if a town said it was "going dry",or cutting down on the number of and/or opperating hours of bars?

This is the same thing; people who want to limit the amount of 'not so good things' in their communities.
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RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets - 7/30/2008 10:53:06 AM

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YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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