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Dnomyar -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 5:05:47 AM)

vacuous. A new word for me. Thank you Asmodeus 




FirmhandKY -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 5:19:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Augustone

Oooooooh a message board cluster-fuck. Now I remember why I don't bother with virtual life, message boards and unmoderated group-think.

Well, this is a hotbed of intellectual exchange, debate and discussion, isn't it.

No one has (to this point) addressed a thing (or things) I've contended. Just the usual low-brow ping-pong.

What I've gotten for my time invested is ad hominem attacks and a Greek chorus of vague rejoinder and group self-congratulation.

Congratulations....I can't bothered.

Perhaps I should have identified myself as a Male Heterosexual Dominant of Long Experience (which I am). Or mentioned that I'm well known, respected and highly paid in my field....creative professional. Y'all respond to authority? There's some for you. I don't usually bother with that either.

Instead of advocating for sexual, gender, and political rights for those on the margins of official culture I should have claimed authority. The heat would have been less intense - I suspect my prominent mention of gay people brought out the worst sort of sublimated fear and loathing.

Although I'm sexually straight, gay folk (in S.F./NYC early on) took the time to mentor me in the fine art of BDSM (how to Top as I'm 100% Dom) before all the regular folk (like y'all) showed up.

Now, let me see. I've been accused of spewing hate by the two-headed collaboration darcyandthedark a... bad poet and a cheesy aesthete from the UK, of being an insufferable egoist by Allondra a Gorgon Headed Grandma Clampett Domme. That's gagger enough for me. I'm outta here.

One last thing....and as for Firm Hand in KY (the jelly-lube or the state?) my profile clearly says I'm an American expat - I'm not hiding it.
I couldn't stomach paying taxes there anymore - I pay more and earn less in New Zealand but I sleep better at night.

Took a punt on the boards - but like every other 'community board it's lowest common denominator rules - and now I'm back to real life for good and all (talk to and congratulate each other) .

Bye all.


Would "... and good riddance!" be appropriate?

Let me translate your above post for my other lowly minions on the boards here, "August" One ...

Nah, nah, nah, naaah nah! I'm not listening to you!

(Mommy! They are mean to me!)


Firm




TreasureKY -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 5:20:17 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Augustone

... Perhaps I should have identified myself as a Male Heterosexual Dominant of Long Experience (which I am). Or mentioned that I'm well known, respected and highly paid in my field....creative professional...


Wouldn't have made one iota of difference.  Narrow-minded arrogance is still narrow-minded arrogance, even if it's backed by authority.

Besides... I could claim to be well-known, highly respected, wealthy BDSM author with 25 years experience in the scene...

Wouldn't make it true.  [;)]




proprietedeese -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 5:33:49 AM)

gotta admit he is funny. the whole KY, jelly or state crack was pretty good. the Allondra the Gorgon Headed Grandma Clampett Domme was definitely a classic (your beautiful Allondra)

Honestly though i get along best with people i dont get along politically with. Persoanlly i would never let some governement object rule my life to the point where i judge my partner based on what some politican wants. He says he is 100% domme but it seems he is living under the control of some ideology.




seababy -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 5:49:24 AM)

He seemed angry..

Did he seem angry to you?

..Is he coming back?..

...his not coming back is he?..

..what are we all going to do now?...I think he really meant it .....

omg...


his ...


gone..

*whispers* no..OP come back..please we didn't mean it..come back we want to play with you!


[sm=sad.gif]














Asmodeus -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 5:53:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

vacuous. A new word for me. Thank you Asmodeus 


No problem. After all ... Perhaps I should have identified myself as a Male Heterosexual Dominant of Long Experience (which I am). Or mentioned that I'm well known, respected and highly paid in my field....creative professional...

Which curiously enough, would be an apt description of myself. But for some reason I never think of myself in capital letters.

Or continuously use the word 'myself" to describe "myself."

[:D]




Thadius -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 6:00:04 AM)

I am a conservative, I believe in the traditions of the constitution.. i.e. less government intervention, individual rights, the pursuit of happiness and the whole she-bang.

Your attempt to generalize all conservatives, is just as laughable as your attempt to generalize the BDSM community.  It is good to see you are liberal enough to accept that each of us are individuals and that we are able to choose what makes us happy because we are defined by a label such as being conservative.

Enjoy your day,
Thadius




seababy -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 6:03:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Asmodeus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

vacuous. A new word for me. Thank you Asmodeus 


No problem. After all ... Perhaps I should have identified myself as a Male Heterosexual Dominant of Long Experience (which I am). Or mentioned that I'm well known, respected and highly paid in my field....creative professional...

Which curiously enough, would be an apt description of myself. But for some reason I never think of myself in capital letters.

Or continuously use the word 'myself" to describe "myself."

[:D]


Yes but that's because your not a real Dom.
A Real Dom always thinks of Themselves in Capital letters.
Its the litmus test for Domly-ness.






FirmhandKY -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 6:03:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: seababy

He seemed angry..

Did he seem angry to you?

..Is he coming back?..

...his not coming back is he?..

..what are we all going to do now?...I think he really meant it .....

omg...


his ...


gone..

*whispers* no..OP come back..please we didn't mean it..come back we want to play with you!


[sm=sad.gif]













Well, his last post (according to my time settings) was at 7:53 am. It is now 9:03 am, and he still shows up at the top of the page as viewing the thread .... I suspect we'll see him again.  [:D]

Firm




Aynne -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 6:06:52 AM)

You are a liberal? Please....this entire post slams liberals, you refer to them as "they" and infer that our political prowess is summed up by a bumpersticker, meanwhile prasing the merits of conservatives?

OP, trust me. Not all submissives are conservative. In the least. Politically or otherwise. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: katie978

quote:

ORIGINAL: Augustone
It frankly turns my stomach to think of milk (conservatives) and blood (BDSM) mixing.


So what are liberals then? Soda? Whiskey? Chocolate milk? ...It frankly turns my stomach trying to imagine an appetizing mixture including blood and any other liquid.

I hardly believe that any liberal politician is going to be pro-BDSM. They might go so far to say, "People can do whatever they want, it's none of my concern", but I can't really picture Obama at a pro-kink event. Do you think he'd wear leather to respect our culture?

You clearly state that you believe all conservatives are exactly like their politicians. The anti-gay politician screwing men in airport bathrooms. However, in my experience, limited and un-important though it might be, there are no stereotypes living in our world. Undoubtedly there are some conservatives who are exactly as the ones you describe, stoic and uncompromising in their beliefs, moral and righteous up the wazoo, and leading some sort of naughty sexual double life.
   However, the majority of conservatives I have met on my travels were well-spoken, open to political debate, and incredibly well-versed on the subject of their beliefs. That's much more than I can say for most of the liberals I meet (since they believe sticking the "I hate Bush" bumper sticker on their car qualifies).
 
   To me, political or religion or class or any other determining characteristic doesn't make a person. I'd rather date a staunch conservative (I'm liberal, my own self. Or, somewhere in between), than a hippie with unbending beliefs that they are unwilling to discuss or consider, lest consideration lead them to change their minds.

I would, however, avoid the self-righteous fanatical asses at either end, since I don't believe there is "one twue way" for anything in life.




Quivver -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 6:09:20 AM)

And here I've mistakenly thought that Liberals were so open minded. 





missturbation -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 6:10:07 AM)

Okkkkkkkk, i am confuzzled completely by this thread. I read / skim read the op and i don't understand his BS at all, no no no i don't. So firstly could someone simplify it for me?
 
Secondly not sure i can take part anyway as i have never voted in my life and take no notice of politics at all. If thats even what this thread is about.
 
Thirdly i want the op to come back and call me names [:D]




cloudboy -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 6:24:47 AM)


Well, one problem is political terminology. We've got two descriptors: liberal & conservative -- ever changing times - and millions of people to pigeon-hole.

I consider myself a fiscal conservative and social liberal. Where's that leave me?

My Mistress and I have had a few episodes over Obama, but that's because I get worked up over the bullshit attack talking points leveled against him. (The Rerered Wright scandal, for instance.) But, she and I are fundamentally aligned, as I am to with my wife.




Prinsexx -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 6:28:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Augustone


It frankly turns my stomach to think of milk (conservatives) and blood (BDSM) mixing.




Very good in my humble opinion for a third post....i'll just fast forward to your 1,000th and report back........
hold on i think it says....something like......curdles my stomach although exactly what remained hidde
n [:D]




petdave -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 6:36:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Augustone

No one has (to this point) addressed a thing (or things) I've contended. Just the usual low-brow ping-pong.

What I've gotten for my time invested is ad hominem attacks and a Greek chorus of vague rejoinder and group self-congratulation.


Well, since most of the posters are in the U.S., and the three hours you invested in this discussion were pretty much in the middle of the night here, you probably didn't get a true cross-section... But, hey, if discriminating is what you pride yourself on, party down.

i think your assumptions and argument on "official" vs. "unofficial" are deeply flawed, and your knee-jerk reaction to combining BDSM with political conservativism too dependent on an inappropriately narrow and academic definition of "conservative", but i guess there's not much point in going on about that.

-Dave
riff raff, rabble, and peanut gallery
signing off




Prinsexx -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 6:44:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

Okkkkkkkk, i am confuzzled completely by this thread. I read / skim read the op and i don't understand his BS at all, no no no i don't. So firstly could someone simplify it for me?
 
Secondly not sure i can take part anyway as i have never voted in my life and take no notice of politics at all. If thats even what this thread is about.
 
Thirdly i want the op to come back and call me names [:D]

Never mind Miss T.
All i can say is that i get  my politics from Emily:...any woman who can have this many kids in four years and write a Bill for The House of Commons is a powerful woman in my humble opinion. I usually vote because of this....and because i like a policy of sensationalism .......

The most militant of suffragettes was Emmeline (Emily) Pankhurst (British, 1858-1928). Let down first by the Liberals and then by the Labour Party, both of which she had supported in turn, she was already politically disillusioned by 1903 when she and her daughter Christabel Pankhurst (British, 1882-1960) formed the non-party Women's Social and Political Union (WSPU) in Manchester -- mostly from mill girls -- and became engaged in the first act of physical aggression in the struggle for the vote at the hands of Liberal Party supporters during a meeting in Manchester in 1905. Sir Edward Grey had expounded on the intentions of the Government about to be formed and at question time Christabel Pankhurst and Annie Kenney (British, 1879-1953) asked what its intentions were over votes for women. Grey ignored them (he had answered all other questions but thought this one not `a fitting subject'). The women unfurled banners and asked again. They were seized, kicked down the gallery stairs, then thrown bodily from the hall, suffering physical injury. Outside they held a protest meeting, were arrested for obstruction and, upon refusal to pay their fine, sent to prison, the first of many prison sentences to be served by suffragettes in England. This episode was given world-wide newspaper coverage: it also provoked a wave of bitter violence from the frustrated WSPU Party whose motto became `Deeds not Words'. In 1906 they moved to London and started a deliberate policy of sensationalism. They chained themselves to the railings of the Prime Minister's residence, harangued the terrace of Parliament from the river, broke windows -- and one woman, Emily Davidson (British) threw herself in front of the King's racehorse in the 1913 Derby and was killed. Women in prison went on hunger strike and were forcibly fed. Mr Asquith parried and procrastinated about the [suffrage] Bill throughout, while, in 1913, his Government passed the so-called `Cat and Mouse' Act -- officially called the Prisoners (Temporary Discharge for Ill-Health) Act. Imprisoned suffragettes who went on hunger strike would be released when in danger of death but, as soon as they were strong enough, would be rearrested to continue their sentence. The above adapted from Wiki and  from The Guinness Guide to Feminine Achievements, by Joan and Kenneth Macksey, 1975, ISBN 0 900424 31 1, pp 84-5:




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 6:46:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Augustone



It frankly turns my stomach to think of milk (conservatives) and blood (BDSM) mixing.



I am a libertarian anarchist -- and there have been several cultures where blood and milk were mixed as a daily ration (blood and fermented milk, actually). I haven't actually drunk it, but several of my acquaintances from desert cultures in both hemispheres swear by it.

CFB




bipolarber -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 6:47:21 AM)

So Thad,

Being a conservative, and a believer in the Constitution as you say you are... why are you still on the side of these people who have essentially raped the US Consitution for the last eight years? Hebeas Corpus is the foundation of pretty much the entire document, (except maybe for the part about quartering military in your home) and the GOP has been systematically eliminating erasing it.

So tell me, how do you rationalize this position? You claim to be pro-US Constitution, yet conservatives these days are all about supporting (and continuing via candidate McSame) an administration that believes in wire tapping, torture, and holding people for years on end without trial, or even offical charges?





bipolarber -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 6:56:14 AM)

Oh, and I agree with the earlier posters... this thread really should be moved to "off topic discussions."




poisonedprogress -> RE: Politically Conservative BDSMers? (8/1/2008 7:01:24 AM)

I was under the impression that "conservatives", as defined in the OP, can exist in any culture, be it mainstream, BDSM, goth, etc... One need not necessarily be affiliated with one specific culture in order to exhibit traditionally conservative behaviors, such as resistance to change and whatnot.

I'd describe the OP as a conservative liberal in his own terms, as he is apparently imposing the "official" culture of the liberal. The first thing he does is concede intolerance.




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