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faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/18/2008 3:23:45 PM)

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But you know I've had a number of HORRIFIC experiences with men



i think alot of us have..in the beginning when i would get hit on by men...and say no thank-you....i was often punched in the gut and a couple times was beat up.

when i was in tulsa in 2004 i had to run fast into my motel room from a guy who was in his car that offered me a ride a block or so away from my motel and i said no thanks...i made it to my room and he left.

i supposed its common to be asked for a ride in tulsa cause it happened a few times where cars would stop and ask..



E2Sweet -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/18/2008 5:37:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

....I, personally, had a HORRIFIC experience with a transgendered "woman" that came from lack of disclosure. Therefore, I'm jaded forever. What happened to me is pretty much what I think every submissive male would fear in this particular area of the scene, and because it DOES happen, it causes many to be apprehensive about being involved with transgendered folk....


...ehh, question withdrawn.... It just goes too deep into confusing territory... Sorry....



masterofdrkness2 -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/18/2008 6:02:59 PM)

as for me this is a question that suddenly hit home so to speak ,being where I am from I have never been around transgender people.I allways lived my life as people are just people no matter what they look like or where they come from.now where this hits home , last night my sister desided to tell me she is going to be my brother , she is starting to take hormones  and going threw the steps of becoming a man ,she was a lesbian dressed like a man acted like a man but she was allways lil sis to me ,to be quite honest here I am at a lose  on how to respond to this ( and for anyone that knows me , me not having a response is a revalation in its self )on the one hand I want her to be who she is , on the other I wonder how people are going to treat her ?as for me I will allways support her , but I also feel the need to look after her .I know most of the family will disown her , hell they did just for her being a lesbian, I can only imagine what they will say now . so the answers here are some what helpfull  but I am watching and waiting for more . anyone with some advice feel free to c- mail me .



Pyrrsefanie -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/18/2008 6:15:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: samaraqzetax

Question I have is, is this: How supporting is the BDSM community towards, PASSABLE transgendered individuals? I'm not talking about those individuals who call themselves "cross dressers", "sissy boys", or anything else of the like, only true trans individuals, taking hormones and living and passing as their perceived gender full time, whether it be female or male. Secondly, would you be willing to develop a relationship with such a passable trans individual whether beyond simply "friends?
Please don't flame this post, as it is a ligitment question.



I can't speak for all of the BDSM community when I say this, but... why wouldn't I?

People are people, right?  If anything, I view them as sort of heroes for having the courage to actually live as their desired gender, despite all of the opposition and sometimes violence that gets thrown their way.

Then again I have some odd way of looking at people that I can almost physically look past gender, appearance, etc. and see them for who they are.  Man, woman, TG/TS, crossdresser, androgynous, gender fluid -- if I'm attracted to someone it's not because of what equipment they have, or what's on their birth certificate.  It's because they interest me in a much less superficial way.

I hear about all of the horrible things that transgendered/transexual people have to deal with and I just don't see the point, nor can I comprehend WHY some people get so freaked out by it.  I grew up with a grandmother who is a professional electrologist and has a lot of TG/TS clients, so I remember being babysat at a very young age by, let's call her Charlotte.  I never had any inkling that Charlotte had ever been anything but a tall, gorgeous woman with the damn sweetest personality you'd ever find on a human being.  Of course when I was older it got mentioned to me in passing and I just shrugged and was like "So?" 

The kicker?  My grandmother's a devout Catholic.  She effing loves everyone regardless of race, religion, sex, orientation, any of that.  So fuck people who use religion as an excuse to be an asshole.

And in the end I think I'm also somewhat jealous of those who can make the transition.  I was born female, I certainly do have my girly traits, but for my entire life I've been plagued by the feeling of being not male or female but both crammed into the same body.  I'd be just as uneasy if I transitioned to male as if I stayed female... and sadly I don't believe there's anything to help my case.  Good on those who can be proactive enough to make their lives happier for themselves.



MadameDahlia -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/19/2008 12:13:33 AM)

I hope that one day the SRS for FtM is a helluva lot better than the options available now. Perhaps by the time I've saved up enough dinero... the surgery will have advanced enough to offer better form and function.

Good luck to anyone who has transitioned, is in the process of transitioning or is contemplating transition. It's a rocky road, but if it makes you feel comfortable in your own skin for a change it's certainly well worth it.



Prinsexx -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/19/2008 2:09:06 AM)

Transition of any kind is a rough and rocky road.
But to transition from male to female or froim female to male?
it's not only an inner transition but is the hardest one of all simply becvause society is engrained in generised psychological prejudices.
Gender will probably remain the last wall inside peoples heads to fall but one day i pray it will have fallen in enough places to allow passage to take place for anyone who needs to pass.
prin



BlackSakura -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/23/2008 8:29:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: samaraqzetax
THANK YOU! "she-males" are not only a derogatory label used by uneducated individuals upon us TRUE trans individuals, but is also discriminatory! Most trans individuals, for the most part have dislike towards cross-dressers, sissy boys, ect of that type, as we are bunched into the same box as they are, which is incorrect.

Yes, thank you for saying that. This is very true.



AcademyForSlaves -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/23/2008 8:42:16 PM)

I absolutely love transgendered. I've been seeking one for friendship or more and to be my assistant or secretary at the Academy. And it'd sure be fun going shopping. :)



Briena -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/24/2008 10:05:29 AM)

I have trans friends.  I love them.  I think they are more accepted in our community than they are in just normal society.  People here have a better understaning of what it is to be misunderstood.  If I wasnt married to my husband, I would have happily had a relationship with one of those friends.  But thats another life :D.  But then again she wasnt transgendered as you are wanting her to be.  She had no desire to switch to the dark side LOL!  But all the same, she is very sweet, and a very good person.  I choose not to judge people based on things such as that.  But who knows, thats just me :)



aperversetwist -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/24/2008 1:24:14 PM)

I would say how accepting an individual/group is depends on the individual/group and whether or not they know what they are being asked to accept.  Usually the groups that are overly exclusive are the trans "support" groups.  You're only a CD you can't come, you only dress on Sa-Su you need to do it Mo-Fr to be in our group etc etc. 

I've dated several FtMs in the past.  Some after transition, one partially through his transition some before transition.  I have been to True Spirit several times which is a national FtM conference.  Sadly it is no longer run.

What I've learned is that folks who are transgendered don't really need to worry about being discriminated against by society.  They need to worry about discrimination from other trannies.  Transexuals/Transgendered folks eat their young.  It's not pretty.  "I'm a real FtM, you're just doing body mod"  "If you aren't doing XYZ then you aren't really trans"  The list goes on and on.

My dating experience as far as trans folk go is with FtMs I've been friends with MtFs.  Personal prefrence nothing more.  Something I find a lot of trans folks don't seem to understand, personal preference.  I've heard many the bewildered trans person wonder why their new BF/GF suddenly freaked because after several dates they found out the person they were with didn't have the factory standard equipment that was expected.  Or better yet they find out from someone else.  That's always a priceless look, "hey Bob did you know Stephanie used to be Stephen?"  Trans folks so desperately want to be accepted as their gender that they fail to take into consideration that for most people gender equals genitals.  You don't think so?  Go down the street and ask 100 people what the gender of a person with a penis is or the gender of a person with a vagina.  Come back and let me know your results.  People have prefrences, respect that, it's safer for everyone.  I knew a nice FtM who had the shit beaten out of him after sucking off a gay man who didn't know the kid was trans and was later told by his buddies.  "Oh but gay men don't do that kind of thing" Bullshit, it happened.

When you don't give someone the opportunity to choose to date a trans person and instead stealthily sneak it on them, yup you're gonna piss folks off.  Oh yeah and you've just created one more person who legitimately has something against trans folks, thanks for the help.

Hint for FtMs gay men like cock, and gay men have an aversion to pussy.
Hint for MtFs lesbians and straight men don't like cock, they like pussy.

Another hint for FtMs (I have a soft spot for them) you want to be seen as a man, lesbians aren't into men.  That dyke you're dating? She's bi or better yet, she just thinks you're going through a really butch phase.

When you decide to become a man, have the balls to turn in your membership card to the local women's group.

Don't take it personally.  It's not an attack on you as an individual.  It's simple truth.  It takes your actions to turn it into an attack usually.  Many trans folk feel the best way to get acceptance from a group is to begin with a gentle shelling from 155mm artillery followed by tanks and infantry.  Actually the best way is one person at a time, slow and methodical, make friends, don't be confrontational.  I worked with a leather group for a while.  I remember being raked over the coals by a MtF at Pride whom I'd never met who said we weren't trans inclusive.  Then I asked if she'd been to trans meeting group, and she had this sort of baffled look, she hadn't even bothered to find out that we were very trans inclusive already.

Bottom line?  You've discovered your true gender yippee for you.  The world at large does not share your sense of elation.

For the bois, T is bad, don't do T, it's not worth it, you won't get what you want from it and the other FtMs won't tell you that.  They want to see you make the same mistake they made and live in the same hell they are in.

This has been brought to you with love by one of the most politically incorrect trans supporters out there. :)



faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/24/2008 3:54:38 PM)

What I've learned is that folks who are transgendered don't really need to worry about being discriminated against by society.

--haha this is a crock...almost all of the shit i have been given to has been by non trans folks.  in fact by straight men and by gay women.  i received alot of violence and hatred from straight men when i used to date them.  fat chance that will ever happen again.  the gay women just use verbal violence though so that wasnt as bad.

They need to worry about discrimination from other trannies.
--every group regardless of what the group is has jealousy and hatred within it.

I've heard many the bewildered trans person wonder why their new BF/GF suddenly freaked because after several dates they found out the person they were with didn't have the factory standard equipment that was expected.
--this is why it is best to state the fact on first date.  you will most likely receive a violent reaction.

That's always a priceless look, "hey Bob did you know Stephanie used to be Stephen?" --guess you saw that episode of without a trace...Stephanie aka Stephen.

You don't think so?  Go down the street and ask 100 people what the gender of a person with a penis is or the gender of a person with a vagina.
--yes those are closed minded people who cant accept anything different. 

Hint for FtMs gay men like cock, and gay men have an aversion to pussy.
--actually female to male usually date other female to male.  also many ftm's have a butch-femme relationship with lesbian women.

Hint for MtFs lesbians and straight men don't like cock, they like pussy.
--many straight men date mtf even pre-op.  there is another hole you know.

When you decide to become a man, have the balls to turn in your membership card to the local women's group.
--until you suffer from gender issues rethink this statement.  it is a long hard road that starts in a persons childhood.

For the bois, T is bad, don't do T, it's not worth it, you won't get what you want from it and the other FtMs won't tell you that.  They want to see you make the same mistake they made and live in the same hell they are in.

--this is funny...T does a HELL of alot.  1)voice change 2)facial and body hair 3)muscle growth   just to name a few major masculinizing things.   estrogen doesnt do all that much...estrogen wont even change a mtf's voice.




aperversetwist -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/24/2008 5:17:04 PM)

What I've learned is that folks who are transgendered don't really need to worry about being discriminated against by society.
--haha this is a crock...almost all of the shit i have been given to has been by non trans folks.  in fact by straight men and by gay women.  i received alot of violence and hatred from straight men when i used to date them.  fat chance that will ever happen again.  the gay women just use verbal violence though so that wasnt as bad.
They need to worry about discrimination from other trannies.
--every group regardless of what the group is has jealousy and hatred within it.

Yes but it's one thing for people who are different from you discriminating against you, but when it's someone who should be your ally and trying to help you.  That's much much worse.

I've heard many the bewildered trans person wonder why their new BF/GF suddenly freaked because after several dates they found out the person they were with didn't have the factory standard equipment that was expected.
--this is why it is best to state the fact on first date.  you will most likely receive a violent reaction.

Yet still trannies do it time and time again?  Why?

That's always a priceless look, "hey Bob did you know Stephanie used to be Stephen?" --guess you saw that episode of without a trace...Stephanie aka Stephen.

Funny coincidence, actually I've never seen without a trace, I just have a friend named Stephen who's dating a girl named Stephanie.

You don't think so?  Go down the street and ask 100 people what the gender of a person with a penis is or the gender of a person with a vagina.
--yes those are closed minded people who cant accept anything different.

No they aren't closed minded people, they are society, it's how people are taught as children on up.  It's very easy to forget how things are actually perceived in the real world when you are trans and your friends are all enlightened or trans.

Hint for FtMs gay men like cock, and gay men have an aversion to pussy.
--actually female to male usually date other female to male.  also many ftm's have a butch-femme relationship with lesbian women.

Yes I'm quite aware of how many FtMs date other FtMs and how many are in relationships with their either unhappy lesbian gfs or their bi gf's. I'm also aware of how many FtMs put such a high premium on dating a "Gold Star Gay Man"  Not to mention the way FtMs completely undermine their gender identity and self esteem and their partners while dating each other.

Hint for MtFs lesbians and straight men don't like cock, they like pussy.
--many straight men date mtf even pre-op.  there is another hole you know.

Your definition of straight is rather loose.  How many of these guys brag to their buddies at the construction site about their gfs dick?

When you decide to become a man, have the balls to turn in your membership card to the local women's group.
--until you suffer from gender issues rethink this statement.  it is a long hard road that starts in a persons childhood.

Nope there is no excuse for expecting to have the inclusion of being a woman if you're trying to be a man, give it up.

For the bois, T is bad, don't do T, it's not worth it, you won't get what you want from it and the other FtMs won't tell you that.  They want to see you make the same mistake they made and live in the same hell they are in.
--this is funny...T does a HELL of alot.  1)voice change 2)facial and body hair 3)muscle growth   just to name a few major masculinizing things.   estrogen doesnt do all that much...estrogen wont even change a mtf's voice.

Yes T does many wonderful things, guaranteed to shorten your lifespan by at least 10 years, if your lucky and it doesn't simply shorten your lifespan to 10 years.  Which is what happened to a partner of mine.  T brings on early onset ovarian cancer, early onset heart disease, and diabetes.   Hey lets not forget fibromyalgia almost every FtM's friend and companion!  Yes it'll even dry up your pussy and make sex anything but enjoyable.  Plus what is a more sure way to end a happy relationship than starting T?  Ah the roid rage, the mood swings, the hey I used to like girls but now I like guys change of the brain's basic chemistry?  But will FtMs tell young kids wondering if they should or shouldn't take T about this? No, fuck no, hell no!  Lets talk about what T won't give you, self esteem, confidence, ability to get a date with that gay boy you've been eyeing for the past year who doens't even say hi to you.  And no it will not get you past a dick check at the leather club back room.  But hey it'll grow you some lame ass scruffy facial hair not fit for a 15 year old boy who shaves once a week, but at least when you go bald you won't be carded anymore.



faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/24/2008 5:33:42 PM)

every drug has side effects....

t and estrogen are hormone drugs... the chances of catching a major side effect is minimal.  it also depends on the persons age, actual health before taking the T, and if the person is on other medication as well if they drink or smoke heavily.

15 yr olds will not take hormones.  dr's will not prescribe to under 18's.  this is why the youngins are heard of taking mommy's birth control pills (for mtf).  or finding the T illegally off the internet or drug seller in high school.  that alone causes major problems health wise because its often a knock off drug and not the actual thing and not to mention the dosages are usually not correct.

educating one self is the first thing to do...getting an endo is the next...an endo know's what dosage to give with the age and weight and if they have other health issues or take other drugs.

i have already been on hrt for 6+ years...not one single side effect.  yet i have a major congenital heart disease and nothings happened.  not even the gaining of weight (the most common side effect of hrt which can also attribute to other side effects).

many trans are turned down by dr's.  this is why there is what is called a screening process.  the dr's dont want to be sued for health problems they may cause by prescribing to a person not fit to take.  the ones that are turned down take things into their own hands which is a major problem.



Alumbrado -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/24/2008 5:49:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: aperversetwist

I would say how accepting an individual/group is depends on the individual/group and whether or not they know what they are being asked to accept.  Usually the groups that are overly exclusive are the trans "support" groups.  You're only a CD you can't come, you only dress on Sa-Su you need to do it Mo-Fr to be in our group etc etc. 

I've dated several FtMs in the past.  Some after transition, one partially through his transition some before transition.  I have been to True Spirit several times which is a national FtM conference.  Sadly it is no longer run.

What I've learned is that folks who are transgendered don't really need to worry about being discriminated against by society.  They need to worry about discrimination from other trannies.  Transexuals/Transgendered folks eat their young.  It's not pretty.  "I'm a real FtM, you're just doing body mod"  "If you aren't doing XYZ then you aren't really trans"  The list goes on and on.

My dating experience as far as trans folk go is with FtMs I've been friends with MtFs.  Personal prefrence nothing more.  Something I find a lot of trans folks don't seem to understand, personal preference.  I've heard many the bewildered trans person wonder why their new BF/GF suddenly freaked because after several dates they found out the person they were with didn't have the factory standard equipment that was expected.  Or better yet they find out from someone else.  That's always a priceless look, "hey Bob did you know Stephanie used to be Stephen?"  Trans folks so desperately want to be accepted as their gender that they fail to take into consideration that for most people gender equals genitals.  You don't think so?  Go down the street and ask 100 people what the gender of a person with a penis is or the gender of a person with a vagina.  Come back and let me know your results.  People have prefrences, respect that, it's safer for everyone.  I knew a nice FtM who had the shit beaten out of him after sucking off a gay man who didn't know the kid was trans and was later told by his buddies.  "Oh but gay men don't do that kind of thing" Bullshit, it happened.

When you don't give someone the opportunity to choose to date a trans person and instead stealthily sneak it on them, yup you're gonna piss folks off.  Oh yeah and you've just created one more person who legitimately has something against trans folks, thanks for the help.

Hint for FtMs gay men like cock, and gay men have an aversion to pussy.
Hint for MtFs lesbians and straight men don't like cock, they like pussy.

Another hint for FtMs (I have a soft spot for them) you want to be seen as a man, lesbians aren't into men.  That dyke you're dating? She's bi or better yet, she just thinks you're going through a really butch phase.

When you decide to become a man, have the balls to turn in your membership card to the local women's group.

Don't take it personally.  It's not an attack on you as an individual.  It's simple truth.  It takes your actions to turn it into an attack usually.  Many trans folk feel the best way to get acceptance from a group is to begin with a gentle shelling from 155mm artillery followed by tanks and infantry.  Actually the best way is one person at a time, slow and methodical, make friends, don't be confrontational.  I worked with a leather group for a while.  I remember being raked over the coals by a MtF at Pride whom I'd never met who said we weren't trans inclusive.  Then I asked if she'd been to trans meeting group, and she had this sort of baffled look, she hadn't even bothered to find out that we were very trans inclusive already.

Bottom line?  You've discovered your true gender yippee for you.  The world at large does not share your sense of elation.

For the bois, T is bad, don't do T, it's not worth it, you won't get what you want from it and the other FtMs won't tell you that.  They want to see you make the same mistake they made and live in the same hell they are in.

This has been brought to you with love by one of the most politically incorrect trans supporters out there. :)



"E pur si muove"



aperversetwist -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/24/2008 6:14:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

every drug has side effects....

t and estrogen are hormone drugs... the chances of catching a major side effect is minimal.  it also depends on the persons age, actual health before taking the T, and if the person is on other medication as well if they drink or smoke heavily.

15 yr olds will not take hormones.  dr's will not prescribe to under 18's.  this is why the youngins are heard of taking mommy's birth control pills (for mtf).  or finding the T illegally off the internet or drug seller in high school.  that alone causes major problems health wise because its often a knock off drug and not the actual thing and not to mention the dosages are usually not correct.

educating one self is the first thing to do...getting an endo is the next...an endo know's what dosage to give with the age and weight and if they have other health issues or take other drugs.

i have already been on hrt for 6+ years...not one single side effect.  yet i have a major congenital heart disease and nothings happened.  not even the gaining of weight (the most common side effect of hrt which can also attribute to other side effects).

many trans are turned down by dr's.  this is why there is what is called a screening process.  the dr's dont want to be sued for health problems they may cause by prescribing to a person not fit to take.  the ones that are turned down take things into their own hands which is a major problem.



First off I know nothing about Estrogen for gender reassignment therapy.  I'm much more familiar with Testosterone as used in it's many forms, injections, creams, patches...

Yes there are side effects with every drug out there.  The only problem is with T there just happens to be absolutely no clinical research into it's use for gender reassignment therapy or the accompanying side effects.  It's not even supposed to be used for that gender therapy according to the FDA.

There also isn't anyone out there mentioning side effects and we are talking about some very serious side effects which occur in a very large portion of those using it for gender therapy, I never met a single FtM who wasn't suffering from one or more of the many side effects.  All anyone talks about is benefits.  So the reality is there is no good way to educate yourself on the risks and benefits of taking T.

You know how they test to see if something causes cancer?  Give extremely large doses of it to rats.  Well when T is used for it's FDA approved purposes, it's in much smaller and less frequent doses than what is commonly used in gender therapy.  Side effects are much more common and they are magnified.  Some of the side effects are universal you're going to get them period.

With the lack of research out there the truth is that endocrinologists don't actually know what the right dose is for an individual.  It's a guessing game that starts slow and works it way up in dosage.  It's a lot more than just weight and age, everyone absorbs it differently are you allergic to the carrier etc etc.  It's a big crap shot.  Plus FtMs are not know for their honesty when telling the doctor how things are going.

I never said anything about 15 year olds taking T.  However in Thailand it can be started as young as 12 I'm told.  Which in reality is well before a kid can know for 100% certain that it's right for them.

Of course you do need to have a therapist sign off on your letter saying you qualify for gender therapy.  Happily there many therapists out there who will sign that letter after one or two visits.  They don't really need to get to know you, obviously you're trans you went to the trouble of looking them up in a phone book.  They see the trans community as an easy pay check.  Plus find me a person who thinks they are trans who won't go from one therapist to the next until they get a sign off.

Last but not least, how about those helpful FtMs out there who say, why waste time and money with therapy and doctors. "This is how I did it kid and I have extra T I'll seel you..."  Yup those 18 - 21 year olds with the stellar judgement tight budget and patientce of a saint would pass that offer right up.



aperversetwist -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/24/2008 6:18:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
"E pur si muove"


Had to look that one up :)



faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/24/2008 6:29:18 PM)

obviously you're trans you went to the trouble of looking them up in a phone book.
actually im not trans i am intersexed.  i didnt use any phone book what so ever.  in fact i was referred to my endo by my family dr.  my endo is highly educated on trans issues.  but then im in an area with a high population of trans so dr's will have more experience and knowledge with that experience.

However in Thailand it can be started as young as 12 I'm told.
Which in reality is well before a kid can know for 100% certain that it's right for them.
things are wayyyyyy different in that country than everywhere else.  the population of trans there is also 100 times higher than anywhere else.  the amount of trans surgeons there out # anywhere in the world and the competition is high.   i knew at around age 6-7 about my gender problem even though nobody ever told my parents or me that i was surgically altered at birth.  i couldnt do anything about it because 1)no information was available in the 70s 2)my heart condition was a major problem  3)i didnt want to freak out my parents  ...there are also other cases as seen on tv shows like oprah who had 4 year olds transitioning.

"I never said anything about 15 year olds taking T. "  --really?what did u mean by this:
But hey it'll grow you some lame ass scruffy facial hair not fit for a 15 year old boy who shaves once a week, but at least when you go bald you won't be carded anymore.





aperversetwist -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/24/2008 6:38:51 PM)

obviously you're trans you went to the trouble of looking them up in a phone book.
actually im not trans i am intersexed.  i didnt use any phone book what so ever.  in fact i was referred to my endo by my family dr.  my endo is highly educated on trans issues.  but then im in an area with a high population of trans so dr's will have more experience and knowledge with that experience.

Sorry I was not refering to you.  I was refering to some thereapist's thought process in screening trans folk.

However in Thailand it can be started as young as 12 I'm told.
Which in reality is well before a kid can know for 100% certain that it's right for them.
things are wayyyyyy different in that country than everywhere else.  the population of trans there is also 100 times higher than anywhere else.  the amount of trans surgeons there out # anywhere in the world and the competition is high.   i knew at around age 6-7 about my gender problem even though nobody ever told my parents or me that i was surgically altered at birth.  i couldnt do anything about it because 1)no information was available in the 70s 2)my heart condition was a major problem  3)i didnt want to freak out my parents  ...there are also other cases as seen on tv shows like oprah who had 4 year olds transitioning.

Do you really think it's a good idea for a 4 year old with no history or diagnosois of intersexuality to transition?  I don't.

"I never said anything about 15 year olds taking T. "  --really?what did u mean by this:
But hey it'll grow you some lame ass scruffy facial hair not fit for a 15 year old boy who shaves once a week, but at least when you go bald you won't be carded anymore.

I meant bad puctuation I guess...  Let me try again:
"But hey it'll grow you some lame ass scruffy facial hair, not fit for a 15 year old boy who shaves once a week, but at least when you go bald you won't be carded anymore."



Alumbrado -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/24/2008 6:40:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: aperversetwist

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
"E pur si muove"


Had to look that one up :)



Welcome to the Heresy Club... [;)]



faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Transgendered....Whats your opinion... (8/24/2008 6:40:38 PM)

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With the lack of research out there the truth is that endocrinologists don't actually know what the right dose is for an individual.


i would agree but there is a hell of alot more info on ftm within the last 10 years. since there are alot more ftm coming out than ever before.  also they need to test regularly and not just blood tests.  they need ultra sound, cat scans, xrays, mri's... very expensive to do if your not with any insurance.   the surgery however is still a crap shoot.  not enough are performed to gain knowledge due to the $60,000- $100k  price tag.  its definately different than mtf surgery which is so easily done.



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