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Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 2:32:50 AM   
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Ever notice that, during your online chat sessions here in CM, or in any other chat program involved or about BDSM / D/s,  that there are many submissives who come in and out looking to meet Dominants and say they want to be with a real Dominant, but hesitate to actually meet a Dominant?
 
They tend to talk the lifestyle well, know the rules because someone told them to them, but, no matter what they come up with excuses not to meet anyone?
 
The excuses run a long list in the end, like the following:
1) Distance- well you can  change this one if your willing to move or travel we all know that.
2) The old one- I don't really know you yet?- Keep talking, but beware many talk and never meet, be honest.
3) Oh your not my type. Please know thyself first and foremost, and then start looking ok. In other words sit down and make a list for yourself, examine your fetishes, likes,kinks and desires, and know what your seeking ok.
4) Realize that there is more then one way to have a BDSM D/s relationship with someone, you can have it cyberly, you can keep it online, you can do phone chats, or eventually you can go real time/ real life.
5) Then we have the ultimate reason not to meet someone that comes up, your married,. Well, many a woman and man have had secret affairs and affairs on the side, directly because their marriages have not provided what they needed sexually, emotionally or mentally in some way. So, while being careful is smart, and i agree use protection in all ways, it is a way to find an experience partners for BDSM or D/s play also. Usually married men or women are healthy, clean, considerate and stable people who for one reason or another look for action on the side to make their lives complete. So consider taht when you turn someone away also.
6) Reasons we all can come up with to avoid meeting or getting involved are many for sure, but in the end the only reason is the one you choose to use and that is all there is to it, isn't it?
7) Finally, for those who don't take a chance, and meet and at least talk in person about the lifestyle I feel sorry for you, for in the end, we all talk about respect, trust, caring and listening in this lifestyle, but few can get to the relationship they want to reach in this lifestyle without first taking a chance. As a old saying when I was a kid said,  Ya take a chance and drop your pants and if ya get ass whacked, unless ya like it don't look back, lol
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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 2:37:05 AM   
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The same reason so many doms and dommes do it I'd imagine.

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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 2:57:46 AM   
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Although I do agree with what some of what you've said, you do, of course, realize this all holds true for dominants too, right?  For example, what makes you or anyone think that the submissive should be willing to move or even travel?  Isn't that a two way street?  Most of us (dom and sub alike) have ties to wherever we live now.  It's not so easy to simply pick up and move, especially with the job market the way it is now.  Are you willing to support the submissive (and any ums she might have) if she cannot find a job?  What if it doesn't work out?  Are you planning on paying her expenses back home and then supporting her until she finds a job comparable to the one she left for you?  Are you willing to pay travel expenses, including a hotel if she comes to visit you?

I agree that the easiest way to get to know a person is to talk with him in person, but if you live some distance away, do you honestly think that she will want to drive or fly to meet someone she doesn't really know.  Yes, many won't meet but it may be because, after talking for some time, she decides that she just isn't that into you.

Yes, there are many ways to have a bdsm relationship but many only want r/l.  I would imagine that's why so many have "local only" on their profiles.  I certainly would not be interested in cyber or phone only.

Again, perhaps a married sub for you is fine...a married dom for me is not fine. 

Seems to me you're ranting because subs aren't falling all over themselves to get next to you.  There's another old saying...Get over yourself.

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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 3:30:49 AM   
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All that aside, I have to say playing the field of married people who are openly known to be cheaters would really be pretty disgusting human behavior in my book. In dabbling in that, one would be actively helping to destroy people's lives. Think of all the unknowing spouses out there, not to mention the potential negative effects on the lives of the offspring... That would truly just be... inexcusable and unforgivable.

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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 5:48:58 AM   
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Are you saying that they refuse to meet ANY Dominant, or that they refuse to meet YOU?

If they refuse to meet you, don't wallow in sour grapes, but move on.

If they refuse to meet anyone, they may be wankers and/or men.  Again, move on.




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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 6:21:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: simpleplan2

Although I do agree with what some of what you've said, you do, of course, realize this all holds true for dominants too, right?  For example, what makes you or anyone think that the submissive should be willing to move or even travel?  Isn't that a two way street?  Most of us (dom and sub alike) have ties to wherever we live now.  It's not so easy to simply pick up and move, especially with the job market the way it is now.  Are you willing to support the submissive (and any ums she might have) if she cannot find a job?  What if it doesn't work out?  Are you planning on paying her expenses back home and then supporting her until she finds a job comparable to the one she left for you?  Are you willing to pay travel expenses, including a hotel if she comes to visit you?


Ummm, yes, I am. Although I will take exception to the part about supporting them until they get a job back at their old town. That seems excessive. I have prepared to do all the rest in this list, including paying for hotels. I can also offer a small apartment for someone to live in during the courtship period.

However, I do not contact people who do not put relocatable on thier profile (unless they are local). Even though I can take care of the finacial reasons for not being relocatable, I assume that they have more issues than money. Like you said, most people cannot just pick up their lives and move. I certainly would not.

MsJ

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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 6:23:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: E2Sweet

All that aside, I have to say playing the field of married people who are openly known to be cheaters would really be pretty disgusting human behavior in my book. In dabbling in that, one would be actively helping to destroy people's lives. Think of all the unknowing spouses out there, not to mention the potential negative effects on the lives of the offspring... That would truly just be... inexcusable and unforgivable.


Wow, do you master the art of balancing strength with demur submission in other aspects of your life. You word choice is beautiful.

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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 6:31:46 AM   
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Ever notice that you pop up every couple of months and start the same threads over and over again? 

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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 6:32:54 AM   
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 Chat?

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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 6:34:48 AM   
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Yeah, chat rooms are the absolute last place I would look for D/s partners.

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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 6:38:47 AM   
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Thats why its called "chat". Its superficial and doesnt scratch the surface.
I say ixnay on the atchay!

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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 6:42:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BIllCT

Ever notice that, during your online chat sessions here in CM, or in any other chat program involved or about BDSM / D/s,  that there are many submissives who come in and out looking to meet Dominants and say they want to be with a real Dominant, but hesitate to actually meet a Dominant?
 
Yea, there are wankers on the internet. Some call themselves sub and some domme. One of the main reasons I avoid chat rooms.

 
They tend to talk the lifestyle well, know the rules because someone told them to them, but, no matter what they come up with excuses not to meet anyone?
 
The excuses run a long list in the end, like the following:
1) Distance- well you can  change this one if your willing to move or travel we all know that.
 
Some people can move, others can't for what ever reason.

2) The old one- I don't really know you yet?- Keep talking, but beware many talk and never meet, be honest.
They could be shy, or they could be lying about who they are.
 
 

3) Oh your not my type. Please know thyself first and foremost, and then start looking ok. In other words sit down and make a list for yourself, examine your fetishes, likes,kinks and desires, and know what your seeking ok.
If someone says you are not their type. I would have to take their word for it and not argue the point. Not sure why that would indicate that they don't know themselves. Just that they don't feel compatable with you.
 

4) Realize that there is more then one way to have a BDSM D/s relationship with someone, you can have it cyberly, you can keep it online, you can do phone chats, or eventually you can go real time/ real life.
I still haven't found any joy in an online relationship, but if it makes you happy, then go for it.
 

5) Then we have the ultimate reason not to meet someone that comes up, your married,. Well, many a woman and man have had secret affairs and affairs on the side, directly because their marriages have not provided what they needed sexually, emotionally or mentally in some way. So, while being careful is smart, and i agree use protection in all ways, it is a way to find an experience partners for BDSM or D/s play also. Usually married men or women are healthy, clean, considerate and stable people who for one reason or another look for action on the side to make their lives complete. So consider taht when you turn someone away also.
I don't do married people, I don't care how healthy clean and considerate they are. Just not interested.
 

6) Reasons we all can come up with to avoid meeting or getting involved are many for sure, but in the end the only reason is the one you choose to use and that is all there is to it, isn't it?
 
Yup

7) Finally, for those who don't take a chance, and meet and at least talk in person about the lifestyle I feel sorry for you, for in the end, we all talk about respect, trust, caring and listening in this lifestyle, but few can get to the relationship they want to reach in this lifestyle without first taking a chance. As a old saying when I was a kid said,  Ya take a chance and drop your pants and if ya get ass whacked, unless ya like it don't look back, lol



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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 6:45:44 AM   
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Ok.  I tried to go back and check, but the profile was turned off.  I wasn't able to check prior forum posts so this might be a bit of an exaggeration from My perception. 

Dude, do you ever start any forums posts that aren't related to the fact that submissive females are not willing to meet with you?  In My year plus months here on this site, that is all I can ever recall you starting a topic on.  Each and every time, you hear the same responses to your inquiries. 

The problem is not them.  The problem is that there are many who are not comfortable with hooking up with a dom who either can not or will not be honest with their SO about their pursuit of  a extra curricular adventure that involves BDSM play.  It's not that people aren't interested in meeting.  It's that people aren't always willing to toss their moral and ethical standards.  Guess what?  They don't have to.  It doesn't make them afraid to meet.  It means they aren't willing to compromise themselves.  I happen to find that an admirable trait.

There's an old joke that goes something like this:

A guy is doing a stand up routine at a military base in front of hundreds of people.  Out of the blue, a woman says. "I've slept with all of these guys, and none of them were any good."  The comedian replies, "Did you ever think the common denominator was you?"

Something to think about.




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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 6:48:05 AM   
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Did you ever notice that when you cut into a pie it's sometimes filled with
mouthwatering, satisfying, tantalizing and exhilarating ingredients, and
sometimes it's just filled with goop?

Why is that?

Pie, one of lifes mysteries.

chia* (the pet)

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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 6:55:57 AM   
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You guys just made me open the chat. :) Lets see what happens there.

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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 7:01:19 AM   
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edited that bit out cos i thought this was started by someone else! the rest is ok though i think.

maybe its fear - fear of not somehow making the grade or maybe fantasy is all they want.  there is always the risk of rejection and some people just dont handle that well.  and sometimes its just really hard to find anyone - as someone said on here somewhere, we fish in a much smaller pond and the pond life can get quite bizarre.

ive noticed that there are an awful lot of dominants that have been looking for an awful long time - one guy said to me that he wanted to meet me purely on the grounds that i came across as sane - like that was a rare commodity!

im heading off to my munch tomorrow - because to be honest, this cyber approach is nuts! - though i am meeting a D there from another site.

people go around with 'the one' mentality too much - waiting for Gods Gift to waft towards them - there are so many variables, but personally, if they sound sane on the phone and you can talk, laugh and find things in common then you should meet and take the chance.  i have no idea what this D looks like, it doesnt matter to me to be honest, the chemistry does - and he likes and rides horses, a definite bonus in my book!

how bad can it be.  so you meet and you dont click, another one will come along and at least you know before youve invested too much emotion and time, you might have made a friend or you might walk away and never contact each other again.  the old saying 'you have to kiss alot of frogs....' is a bit unkind really, but you do have to meet a few people to learn who and what it is youre really seeking.

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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 7:03:10 AM   
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There are submissives out there that are scared.  Even if you are correct LadyPact, that it is the posters' fault, they should at least have the guts to tell the dominant why they suddenly stop talking with the dom.

Frankly, I've seen quite a few people (men and women) do some rather rude things when they decide they are not interested in someone.  Submissives in particular seem to be fond of ending a relationship without saying goodbye.  They just stop contacting you.   It's not that hard to send a little email "Thanks, but I found someone else", even if you haven't really found someone else.    Or if you have a bit more guts, theres always "Thanks, but I'm not interested".

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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 7:13:32 AM   
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One can find chat rooms that deal with specific locations to participate in. For example. If one lives on the east coast, there are chat areas on some sites that have east coast chats. Alt is one. That way you can speak with people who are relatively local to you and narrow your search area down to a few states. Quite a few of the rooms also have fairly regular getogethers and you can attend one of those. Become friendly with the chatters and host your own getogether. When I was active in Alt's Midwest room chats, we had 4 or 5 events thru out the year with an attendance of over 150 people at some of the events. Be more pro-active in your search rather then reactive.  As to your having problems with meeting others. Have you ever heard the old saying, you can put lipstick on a pig....? Maybe you should step back and figure out the reason why you are having problems meeting others. 
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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 7:45:24 AM   
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I'm one of the "chat room" success stories. Met my submissive in a channel on IRC (not a chat room but essentially the same thing) about 2 1/2 years ago. Still going strong. I think any medium or venue can yield results if you are in the right place at the right time. Anyone who waves off one particular tool is a moron.

Edited for spelling.


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RE: Why Is It? - 8/2/2008 7:49:47 AM   
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A dominant has to be able to facillitate the needs of a submissive. Guys who can't are time wasters,and deserve to be blown off or ignored.

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