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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 11/18/2005 9:13:55 AM   
Evanesce


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I like everything about pain play except the pain part.


LOL! Yup... that would be me, too. If He could figure out how to give me pain without making it hurt so darned bad, I'd be in heaven!

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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 11/18/2005 9:26:42 AM   
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I'm convinced that masochists process some pain differently.

I've just decided that they are aliens.


Which planet?


the planet "Sensationslut".... this slave is their official ambassador here on earth and it is a pleasure to meet both of you!!! we generally shun public discussion since the inhabitants of this planet are largely convinced that pain is BAAAAAAD, mmmkay, but since you have discovered our secret existence here, well, might as well fess up. on our planet, the only pain that is BAAAD is the destructive, non-consensual kind. Sorry, we don't allow visitors from EARTH because they either
A. don't get the difference between destructive nonconsensual contact and intentional pleasure based consent
or B. always want to dissect and over-analyze everything, taking all the fun right out of it!


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"Why and how does a Sub ENJOY pain as a REWARD ????" Help me to better understand the motivations of a masochist in this regard.


the first time anyone called this slave a masochist was when she made the decision NOT to be anesthetized in ANY way for the births of the unmentionables. Did it hurt? Hell yes, like nothing you could imagine. Did this slave enjoy the experience? Yes, because this slave believes it was a significant part of the process and did not want to be denied ANY part of that experience. This slave also learned some very important lessons as to how her brain and body react to pain, that not all pain is BAAAD and how powerful the chemicals in your body can be, among other things! It was the culmination of 9 months of discomfort and downright painful moments and this slave would choose to do it all over agian the same way. was it a sexually stimulating experience? Hell, NO. this slave does not experience sexual stimulation from EVERY ineraction with this slave's environment(stubbed toe, unmentionable-birth, migraine) because, like anything else, it requires the most important sexual organ there is (the brain) to set the tone.

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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 11/18/2005 9:45:25 AM   
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i just know i like it a whole lot, kinda like chocolate.



yeah, i have to agree here. i don't know or understand why i enjoy pain, it's just so good, and relaxing, takes all the tension away.

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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 11/18/2005 12:03:22 PM   
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"Why and how does a Sub ENJOY pain as a REWARD ????"


ive started this response post about 6 times and deleted each one. Here comes my 7th attempt.

i enjoy pain when inflicted by Master because:

1. Its a physical, emotional and mental way to really submit to Master desires. i wouldnt deliberately go out and do something that was gonna cause me pain. Like i wouldnt go out to the shed and hit my thumb with a hammer on purpose. I wouldnt ask someone in the street to kick me in the stomach. However, when a Master says " I'm gonna gonna cane you now, undress and submit" or something like that...it is a real acting out of submission. Like a slave/sub could always say "no" but we dont..cuz we desire to submit and surrender to the will of our Masters/Dominants...but as well functioning human beings that option to say "no" is always there.

Also, for Master to demand that, ask that of me, it is Him sharing His desire to Dominate me. It makes me feel wanted and needed. It makes me feel that i can please Him that He would ask that of me. It lets me see and experience He has a desire for me that He would play with me. THis makes my little slave heart soar.

2. It allows me to feel his physical, emotional and mental strength. Like any man can beat up on a woman...but in a Master/slave relationship, the Master is doing it purposefully, not because of lack of skills but because He has skills..if that makes sense.

3. When i am in a certain space, and i dont know what terminology to use for it...but when im in that space....sometimes i can crave strong sensation..really strong sensation...its like...i need His touch so badly..and intensely..its like every cell in my body wants/needs to be touched..its like a craving for communion or something..and the intensity of the touch has to correlate with my desire for it..which can be pretty damn strong.

4. Somestimes i like it for the pure stress release aspect of it.

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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 11/18/2005 7:11:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterDaveKa


The question is: "Why and how does a Sub ENJOY pain as a REWARD ????" Help me to better understand the motivations of a masochist in this regard. Also, what should be my psychologically appealing "words of wisdom" to her ??

Thanks.



The same question could be asked in reverse... why does a Sadist enjoy inflicting pain? What motivates them to do it?

To try and answer your question…

My Lord does not use pain for punishment. Pain is reserved for play and sex. What results are there in punishing a masochist with pain?

I prefer my sis’s view of play. She does not see herself as a pain slut, though anyone watching my Lord play her with a cane would say, definite pain slut. She likes to say that she enjoys intense sensations. She does not process the sensations of a cane as pain. There are many sensations that for me are not painful, they are just intense, take your breath away... My most favorite sensation to date is from zippers. My Lord has only done them on my breasts and the sensation was exquisite, I could barely breathe. There are other sensations that are just all pain and I would prefer not to feel them, but then that would remove some of the pleasure that my Lord receives in play since he is a sadist.

Intense sensations make me feel powerful, mentally, emotionally and physically. To have the strength to just let go and allow my Lord to use me as he will. So as other’s have said, it is about the surrender, but rather than feeling weakened from it, I feel more powerful.

Knight’s kyra

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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 11/18/2005 8:18:39 PM   
RiotGirl


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Status: offline 		i just want to add that my butt is in pain and i'm not enjoying it right this second. No endorphins for me = (

(and yes i thought this was a VERY important fact everyone need to know, so i am notifing!)

(for the goobers out there.. i'm only joking on the importance of the fact of my butt)

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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 11/19/2005 11:17:41 PM   
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Endorphins is a common reason.....
The challenge of mentally "holding it together"; another
The relief when it is all done, washing over you; another



The whole aspect of the mind running the body and being able to successfully block out the extreme physical sensation that pain brings, is something I am seriously intrigued by.

I find that certain types of extreme pain are the closest thing to being in the grasp of the unknown. Now that's not to say that I don't like the physical sensation that pain brings { The burn from the preacher curl after the last set is a phenomenal feeling}, but the challenge and fear of overcoming the unknown are the epitome of a great endorphin rush.



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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 11/20/2005 7:04:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger
{ The burn from the preacher curl after the last set is a phenomenal feeling}
- The Ranger


C'mon UR; there is no such thing as a LAST SET.....LOL!!

Ron


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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 11/20/2005 9:56:43 AM   
sexslave1951


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Status: offline 		I love pain ..but then I have also found my sub space....it is all good

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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 11/20/2005 11:13:44 AM   
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OK, so as a sadist, I know that inflicting pain to train, discipline, punish, and have intense interactions (that lead sex and making up...) is a lot of fun. Its just terrific!!!


M. Dave-

I sugest some self examination- particually a close parsing of the statement above- might help you answer your question.

in my view of this stuff, the above statement is incorrect. Correctly stated, it would either read; "...as a Dom (or top), I know that inflicting pain to train, discipline, punish, and have intense interactions (that lead sex and making up...) is a lot of fun..." or ... as a sadist, I like to hurt women- it makes me hard...".

This is, of course, my own personal intepertation of the terms and situtations we encouter. However, my experiance leads me to be suspect of the terms we use when we talk about this stuff. You seem to be using 'Dom' and 'Sub' as interchangeable with Sadist and Masochist, which is not always the case.

As to words of wisdom, there are a number of reasons a submissive might have for accepting pain...

they might be a masochist-
they might enjoy the ancillary sensations (eg the afterburn/tingle of it)
thay might take satisfaction from being the object of your attentions
they might take satisaction from the service aspect of it
they may find a sense of release from some vauge sense of guilt
they might enjoy the feeling of suffering for you
they might simply endure it to please you

And there are, no doubt, as many answers as there are bottoms out there...

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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 11/20/2005 1:34:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		i've always figured it was just the way i was wired, with some partners knowing how to flip "that switch" better than others did. i'm not sure there is a why to it, or if so, if it's all that important.

jimini

ps -- glad to hear You've found a partner..good luck to You both :)

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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 1/20/2007 1:33:07 PM   
SlaveSubtoserve


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Status: offline 		Yes, i love pain form:

the physical release- endorphins
the psychological accleration it provides into subspace
by pleasing a sadistic Domme by taking it for them
to test myself physically on the edge of fear
sensation awakening to new feelings
pain accentuates the control and dominance of my Domme
cleanses my soul
clears my head
gets me in tip-top shape!

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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 1/20/2007 3:54:04 PM   
mymasterssub69


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Status: offline 		for me:  pain = pleasure and pleasure = pain

enjoy feeling the sting of a paddle or flogger against my arse. it excites ...arouses ...stimulates me so much that Daddy has to stop. sometimes when He punishes me, i cannot separate the punishment from the pleasure i'm receiving.


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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 1/20/2007 5:49:15 PM   
Aine


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Status: offline 		Main reason I don't think I would agree to spanking being a real honest punishment...

I enjoy -everything- about spanking.  There's not one thing that I don't like.  I like the idea of it, the feel of it, the mindset it puts me in, the sound of it...everything.

For me....I'd have to find some other kind of pain or maybe not pain at all as real punishment.

Much like how I've found that a lot look at punishing a SaM (smartassmasochist). They act out to try to get the spanking/flogging/caning....but in reality the lack thereof would torment them.  How can something be a punishment if it's something that that person enjoys?  Another side of that is letting the sub/slave know that it was meant to be a punishment and not play....but just because it's meant as punishment, doesn't mean that it's going to feel like punishment like mymasterssub69 stated above.

Or perhaps giving the sub/slave a choice of less than desireable things and making them choose their punishment, and perhaps have to carry it out themselves, depending on what it is.

Anywhoo....back on track.

Aside from everything that has already been stated...it's really hard to vocalize what it is that makes us masochists enjoy pain so effin much.  It's so many things....like trying to describe why we like our favorite food so much.  It's a million different answers that will never truly convey the why of it to another person.

I like certain kinds of pain...I like sensation play that goes from very light to pretty painful...I've yet to really delve into just how much I like pain and to cross that threshold into where it's beyond enjoyable and only tolerable and then from there to truly painful.

I've also seen and heard of some masochists that might not have a regular outlet for their love of pain, no one to spank or flog them to internalize and redirect other kinds of pain that most would associate with "bad pain"  like the ever popular toe stubbing.

Which I completely agree with most everyone that it is a really sucky kind of pain and one that makes me wish I weren't so damned clumsy.    I have back problems...again, another "bad pain".  Some people have the misconception that masochists like any kind of pain whatsoever and must orgasm every time they stub their toes.  Hardly the truth.

And yet it still comes down to the why.....and I really don't think that I will ever have an understandable and communicable reason for why I like pain.  I just do. 

I understand the use of pain as punishment.

For those that don't like pain.  The only forms of pain that I can think of aside from the usual that I would not enjoy would pretty much be lumped into the torture (as in a spy captured in a foreign land being tortured for info) category.  Toothpicks jammed under fingernails, breaking bones, etc etc. 


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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 1/20/2007 5:56:46 PM   
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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 1/20/2007 6:56:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		i have felt the pain, but never the endorphins or subspace...
i have been pleased that i could satisfy the sadist with my tolerance in the scene or punishment, but i would like to feel what others have felt...

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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 1/21/2007 2:24:06 AM   
catize


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ORIGINAL: MasterDaveKa


I'm a Dom whose Sub is asking questions. I need advice.

OK, so as a sadist, I know that inflicting pain to train, discipline, punish, and have intense interactions (that lead sex and making up...) is a lot of fun. Its just terrific!!!

The question is: "Why and how does a Sub ENJOY pain as a REWARD ????" Help me to better understand the motivations of a masochist in this regard. Also, what should be my psychologically appealing "words of wisdom" to her ??

Thanks.

In all honesty I admit that masochism is the best part for me.  I relish pain, it is my kink.  Submission is at times a struggle; I have to work at it.  There is a sense of satisfaction in both and I don’t see them as mutually exclusive; in fact, I want both to feel physical pain and to submit.  I would not be able to do without one or the other.  I do not think I would enjoy being limited as only a bottom for pain, nor would I be able to submit to a dominant who is not a sadist. 
I never ask master for pain; I submit to his will and there are long periods of time when he does not flog or whip me.  If and when he chooses to do so, it is precious and sweet.  He loves to see my tears and hear my sobs.  He is indeed serving my need, my kink……… just as I am serving his. 


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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 1/21/2007 6:35:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterDaveKa


I'm a Dom whose Sub is asking questions. I need advice.

OK, so as a sadist, I know that inflicting pain to train, discipline, punish, and have intense interactions (that lead sex and making up...) is a lot of fun. Its just terrific!!!

The question is: "Why and how does a Sub ENJOY pain as a REWARD ????" Help me to better understand the motivations of a masochist in this regard. Also, what should be my psychologically appealing "words of wisdom" to her ??

Thanks.


perhaps the pain you choose masks the pain you feel elsewhere in your life?

if someone asks you to give pain should you not rather lead them away to a happier place than take advantage?


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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 1/21/2007 6:42:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Evanesce

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I like everything about pain play except the pain part.


LOL! Yup... that would be me, too.


Me three.  The other thing I like about it ... it's just a tiny bit scary.

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RE: WHY EXPERIENCE PAIN, AND WHAT MOTIVATES A SUB TO EN... - 1/21/2007 8:10:18 AM   
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I don't think I could define why I like pain, that is to say CERTIAN pain, I can say part of it has to do with the build up, I'm a bit of a pain slut, by my own admission, but if Master started out with everything he has it wouldnt have the same effect and I wouldnt have the same toleration for it. I agree with what someone else said, it has something to do with the way I am wired. My true sister, meaning that we have the same parents is totally different, pull her hair and she will hit you, me, pull my hair and I melt. Master knows pain is never a punishment for me, he doesn't use this method of punishment because it would have an adverse affect. I don't have any words of wisdom you can impart, I think either she likes it or she doesn't nothing anyone says will change that.

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