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How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 2:13:26 PM   
BIllCT


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Status: offline 		In the current election cycle, I see a big problem with the two candidates we have left. One is much too old and will be 71 if elected and  do we really expect him to live to 75 or 76 to complete his first term?
 
The Second problem is the othe rguy is younger yes, but lots less experienced and has very lil substance to what his plans  are on the issues important to us all.
 
So the real deal is, the one candidate who could have helped to turn around the economy,helped get Universal Health Care for all, pulled us out of Iraq and Afganistan with a clear , clean manner, did not get picked by her party too run in the general election.
 
Now we are left  with two choices which in my opinion are poor choices.
 
I still say that The Democrats screwed themselves by giving Obama the nomination, and they screwed the country out of good leadership and experience and skill in Hillary Clinton.
 
What do you think folks?
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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 2:38:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hate the Clintons and I was glad to see Hillary lose.  She would not have pulled troops out of Iraq or Afghanistan, which would be a stupid thing to do anyway.  She wouldn't have saved the economy nor gave us universal health care.  Depite what you seem to believe, Presidents don't have that kind of power.  Despite what you also seem to believe, Hillary didn't have any more experience than Obama does. 

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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 2:44:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		i can't see hillary as being a better candidate than the 2 choices we have.  the only thing for the clintons, is that if they were elected, we'd know what to expect.

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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 2:44:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		As far as i can tell, it's pretty much always the choice between the lesser of two evils. i can't ever recall thinking "Oh hey, THAT one will fix EVERYTHING."
And, as a woman, i can't stand Hillary - was glad she wasn't nominated. But's that's just my opinion... you know the saying, "opinions are like assholes - everyone has one and they all stink."

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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 2:45:59 PM   
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Hillary Clinton's main claim to experience is based on being married to a President.

What's she actually accomplished?  As First Lady, she screwed up the politics of a health care initiative horribly.  As a candidate, she began with unsurpassed name recognition, and let Barack Obama absolutely outcampaign her in every way possible.  He developed new ways of using grass roots organization and the Internet.

Once it became evident that she had a fight on her hands instead of an automatic nomination, she went negative.  She whined about party rules that she had agreed to, after they turned out not to favor her, and made bizarre claims that she really won the "popular vote", which excluded entire states like Colorado that used the caucus system.  BTW, she made the decision not to compete in caucus states, which Obama took handily.

Since she lost the nomination, she has vanished and refused to support the nominee, unlike Mitt Romney, who's wearing out shoe leather campaigning for McCain.

Obama has energized the Democratic party in the primaries.  He has signed up unprecedented new voters,  As a candidate, he has forced the African American community to examine themselves and begun dialogue about the community's self-inflicted issues.

The guy came from a single parent household, got himself a law degree, and in his forties is a contender for President.  IMO, he has never assumed that his position is due to birthright and has achieved it through ambition, talent, and hard work.

I'm not sure why you consider Clinton to have solid programs to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and to turn around the economy.  Not that I think that Obama's programs are entirely workable.

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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 3:20:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BIllCT
Now we are left  with two choices which in my opinion are poor choices.


The greater of the three evils was eliminated during the primaries, thank God. I don't agree with or particularly like either of the candidates who will be on the ballot in November but the one bright side it that one of them won't be a Clinton.

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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 4:08:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BIllCT

In the current election cycle, I see a big problem with the two candidates we have left.


There are more than two candidates left ;)


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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 4:32:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		H. Clinton is a non-issue at this point. She's going back to the Senate, where she will continue her work there.

The age/inexperience argument seems compelling at first blush... but remember a few things, please.

1) neither candidate has published their official platforms for the general election as yet.
2) neither (as of me writing this) has announced a running mate, either.
3) Or selections for possible cabinet members.

Ultimately, as much fun as this "American Idol" bullshit is, the election comes down to who the TEAM is behind the frontmen. Look at how much better the Bush administration might have been if he had been backed up by moderates, instead of GOP Sith Lords like Cheany, Rove, Gonzalez... yadda, yadda, yadda...

So, I'd suggest just waiting, and paying attention. Who's playing dirty politics? Who seems to be addressing the issues?

It seems like American elections are a bit like being in the movie "The Thing." (John Carpenter version) You KNOW someone here isn't who they say they are... but unfortunately, we can't just stick a hot wire in 'em to find out who's who... (although, I'm foresquare for trying it, if it will help.) Instead, we keep watch, let the pressures build, and see which of these gays can hold themselves above the fray, and who ends up exposing themselves as a toothy, tentacled beast from beyond... (hint: you're supposed to vote for the human guy.)

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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 4:51:07 PM   
NeedingMore220


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Status: offline 		Holy hannah ... I agree with bipolarber!  How refreshing!  lol 

I'm an undecided and will be waiting to hear all the details bipolarber spoke about before making any decisions. 

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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 6:03:36 PM   
bipolarber


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Status: offline 		Oh, NeedingMore, believe it or not, I'm actually a pretty reasonable guy.... I just like winding up some of these folks, (you can guess which ones, I'm sure) and leting them go! Better than playing with "Battle Tops!" LOL

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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 6:16:15 PM   
NeedingMore220


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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 6:25:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NeedingMore220

Reasonbleness on the forums ... who'da thunk it?  
I resent that Miss Needing More,I happen to think I have been very reasonable(except for those occasions when I haven't been)

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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 6:40:07 PM   
NeedingMore220


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Status: offline 		lol!  Yes, you have been, Mike ... except, when you haven't been.  It just so happens, I enjoy you at all times.  

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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 6:42:42 PM   
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< Message edited by slvemike4u -- 8/3/2008 6:43:14 PM >

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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 6:49:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evility

quote:

ORIGINAL: BIllCT
Now we are left  with two choices which in my opinion are poor choices.


The greater of the three evils was eliminated during the primaries, thank God. I don't agree with or particularly like either of the candidates who will be on the ballot in November but the one bright side it that one of them won't be a Clinton.



I forgot to mention that... as Evility demonstrates, there are many who plain do not like McCain and/or Obama, but neither can engender the same visceral hatred that Hillary can.

In just two months, her campaign tore apart the Democratic party.  Had she been picked as nominee, I would expect an extremely divisive campaign.  After eight years of Bush dividing the country, we don't need that.


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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 7:26:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BIllCT

In the current election cycle, I see a big problem with the two candidates we have left. One is much too old and will be 71 if elected and  do we really expect him to live to 75 or 76 to complete his first term?
 
The Second problem is the othe rguy is younger yes, but lots less experienced and has very lil substance to what his plans  are on the issues important to us all.
 
So the real deal is, the one candidate who could have helped to turn around the economy,helped get Universal Health Care for all, pulled us out of Iraq and Afganistan with a clear , clean manner, did not get picked by her party too run in the general election.
 
Now we are left  with two choices which in my opinion are poor choices.
 
I still say that The Democrats screwed themselves by giving Obama the nomination, and they screwed the country out of good leadership and experience and skill in Hillary Clinton.
 
What do you think folks?



Sigh.

This is what I think:

http://writingtrue.blogspot.com/2008/07/john-quixote-and-mccainocrats.html

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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 8:14:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BIllCT

In the current election cycle, I see a big problem with the two candidates we have left. One is much too old and will be 71 if elected and  do we really expect him to live to 75 or 76 to complete his first term?


Why not?  At 71 his life expectancy is almost another 13 years.  http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4c6.html

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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 8:16:51 PM   
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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 8:36:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, 71 year old men have nothing to offer society.  I don't know why we don't put them on a piece of ice and push them out to sea like the Eskimos used to do. 

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RE: How Many Agree? - 8/3/2008 9:28:25 PM   
bipolarber


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Status: offline 		Hillary tore apart the Democratic party? REALLY? That's funny... did you ever notice that all the time those two were running neck and neck... bitching and throwing poo at each other like a pair of monkeys at the zoo's primate house... McCain was getting ZERO press? For months this went on! All eyes, all cameras... pointed at the Dems. McCain was a non-entity during those times....

Of course now, the thing that is entertaining me, as I said before, is the stagecraft of the Obama team, compared to the sheer ineptitude of McCain's people. Obama speaks in front of 200,000 europeans... McCain gives a swell testimonial for "Der Waffle and Sausage Haus."  Obama looks presidential talking to various world leaders, while McCain shuffles around a grocery store, where cans fall over like he's in a 50's sitcom with Lucille Ball. Obama accepts his nomination to a rock star crowd, McCain responds in front of a crowd of... dozens... in front of a green screen which results in people using his image in video political cartoons...

I find this whole thing funny as all hell... it's like watching David Bowie campaign against  Tim Conway as his "worlds oldest man" character from the old Carol Burnett show.

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