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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 7:11:52 AM   
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TheHeretic,

Sadly, it was really just a matter of time. (Like Obama said today... it's like these people are proud of being ignorrant.)

Has anyone else noticed how fucking surreal this election cycle is becoming? I don't mean to derail my own thread here... but McCain giving a pro-nuclear speech in front of the Fermi II reactor outside Detroit? Um... he DOES realize this was the reactor that was the inspiration for both the book, "We Almost Lost Detroit" and the movie "The China Syndrome?" And that just five years ago, it had to be shut down, and local, outdoor school activities had to be canceled, due to possible radioactive steam release?

Just askin'...


Wow, that happened five years ago? Funny because I live here and I don't remember it. Must not have been real bad, because just four years ago they recieved this.....

http://www.michigan.gov/dleg/0,1607,7-154--97874--,00.htmlj

and according to that.
The Fermi 2 plant’s incidence rates are well below the Michigan average for their SIC code, 491, Electric Services, which is considered a high-hazard industry.   The Total Case Incidence Rate for the Fermi 2 plant was 2.3 in 2001, 0.8 in 2002, and 1.4 in 2003 - compared to 5.0 each year for the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) industry average.  The Total Days Away/Restricted Cases (DART) Rate for the Fermi 2 Power Plant was 0.9 in 2001, 0.1 in 2002, and 0.7 in 2003-compared to 2.5 each year for the BLS industry average.


You sure it was Fermi? Maybe you have your plants mixed up again or maybe your just making up crap again.

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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 7:17:30 AM   
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http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=2851200 

I think he is mixing Fermis... there was a pretty big issue with the original Fermi reactor that DTE controlled.

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From the same article.

Detroit Edison also operated the Fermi 1 Nuclear Power Station at the same site. DTE first broke ground on the plant in 1956, and started operating the plant in 1963. Fermi 1 suffered a partial meltdown of its radioactive fuel in 1966 which took 4 years to repair. It was restarted intermittently between 1970 and 1972 until the order to decommission the plant was issued in 1975. Right now, the plant is in the process of decommissioning, with radioactive material still stored at the plant.


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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 7:33:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

TheHeretic,

Sadly, it was really just a matter of time. (Like Obama said today... it's like these people are proud of being ignorrant.)

Has anyone else noticed how fucking surreal this election cycle is becoming? I don't mean to derail my own thread here... but McCain giving a pro-nuclear speech in front of the Fermi II reactor outside Detroit? Um... he DOES realize this was the reactor that was the inspiration for both the book, "We Almost Lost Detroit" and the movie "The China Syndrome?" And that just five years ago, it had to be shut down, and local, outdoor school activities had to be canceled, due to possible radioactive steam release?

Just askin'...


Sadly, it's those people who can't even spell ignorant who are proud to accuse others of being "ignorrant".

DOES the poster realize that the opperative words in his paragraph about the Fermi II nuclear reactor outside Detroit are "...Almost..." and "possible"?  What if's don't cut the mustard and, moreover, even the worst domestic nuclear reactor incident in history, the actual meltdown of the radioactive fuel-rod core at Three Mile Island, didn't release a harmful amount of radioactive steam.

Those of us who can at least spell ignorant have noticed how often Barack HUSSEIN Obama denys, grossly misrepresents, obfuscates, outright lies about and/or can't handle his own previous statements being used against him.

"Andy Warhol said we all get our fifteen minutes of fame. I've already had an hour and a half. I'm so overexposed. I'm making Paris Hilton look like a recluse." Sunday Times Magazine, November 5, 2006.

"I have always been suspicious of our celebrity culture. And now I find myself in this odd position where I am a part of it, and to some degree a beneficiary of it. We cycle through the new and the novel, and stack story after story on top of individuals, until we lose track of who we're talking about. And if you get absorbed in that, you lose track of who you're talking about." New Yorker, October 30, 2006.

"I'm the flavor of the month. This is a celebrity culture, and that culture has to be fed." San Francisco Chronicle, October 26, 2006.

"I've got a celebrity that's undeserved and a little overgrown to the actual power I have in this city." All Things Considered, March 10, 2005.

Not only did Obama himself thereby compare himself to Paris Hilton but he also admitted he was part of the celebrity culture, and he did so long before McCain's "celebrity" ad appeared.  McCain's "celebrity" ad simply confirmed what Obama himself had previously claimed.

Truth hurts, eh Obamabots?
    

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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 7:36:46 AM   
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Where did I say 4 million?  

Edited to add... from your own link.



In post 12.

But let me boil your point down,if I might...


They both take money from oil companies......equals --they`re both the same,both just as bad,equal on all points ,etc,etc.


I knew you would avoid the germane question....

What has the the relatively few contributions from oil companies/people gotten them from Obama?

Not much,as far as I can tell.


If they were paying Obama off to purpose/push alternative energies and conservation,then maybe you could say Obama was in their pocket....


On energy and our future,the two men couldn`t be farther apart.


One is for more Bush policy.Ie.,four more years of the same old-same old.


One is for shaking things up and really doing something about our energy/national security problems.


As the debate gains steam,people will see there`s a real choice.

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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 7:43:05 AM   
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Sadly, it's those people who can't even spell ignorant who are proud to accuse others of being "ignorrant".


Don't bother...BP has given himself the permanent excuse that any errors found in his posts are intentional, put there to 'tease' those who just don't 'get it'.  

I'm going with the working theory that he is a right wing plant, paid to make liberals look as though they just make up things to be outraged about.

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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 7:43:15 AM   
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Truth hurts, eh Obamabots?
  


Truth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPEV6twzxmE

Take that!  McCynites......lol

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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 7:48:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Where did I say 4 million?  

Edited to add... from your own link.



In post 12.

But let me boil your point down,if I might...


They both take money from oil companies......equals --they`re both the same,both just as bad,equal on all points ,etc,etc.


I knew you would avoid the germane question....

What has the the relatively few contributions from oil companies/people gotten them from Obama?

Not much,as far as I can tell.


If they were paying Obama off to purpose/push alternative energies and conservation,then maybe you could say Obama was in their pocket....


On energy and our future,the two men couldn`t be farther apart.



I would suggest you reread post #12 or get some glasses.

Ah to the "germain question" who has done what for big oil... who has supported tax breaks for big oil?

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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080805/D92C87G80.html

YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio (AP) - Democratic candidate Barack Obama criticized Republican John McCain on Tuesday for taking a page out of "the Cheney playbook" on energy, overlooking his own support of oil-friendly policies that the unpopular vice president helped to craft.

Obama voted for a 2005 energy bill backed by President Bush that included billions in subsidies for oil and natural gas production, a measure for which Vice President Dick Cheney played a major role. McCain opposed the bill, saying at the time that it included billions in unnecessary tax breaks for the oil industry.


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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 7:50:01 AM   
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Where did I say 4 million?  

Edited to add... from your own link.



In post 12.

But let me boil your point down,if I might...

<SNIP>


.4 million (as in post #12) comes pretty close to 400,000 last I checked....YMMV.

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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 7:55:07 AM   
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China Syndrome was based on Three Mile Island....not Detroit. Haven't read the book yet, but based on your history, I would say your probibly wrong about that also.



The China Syndrome could not have been based upon Three Mile Island.

The China Syndrome was released on March 16th, 1979.

Three Mile Island occurred on March 28th, 1979.

If anything, the movie heightened public fears and made the accident seem far worse than it actually was.

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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 8:00:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		It certainly helped promote the movie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Syndrome

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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 8:03:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Where did I say 4 million?  

Edited to add... from your own link.



In post 12.

But let me boil your point down,if I might...

<SNIP>


.4 million (as in post #12) comes pretty close to 400,000 last I checked....YMMV.






I saw million, where you meant hundred thousand.My bad.

I never saw someone use the word million, to describe a hundred thousand before.Cute.

What`s wrong with using 400 thousand or 400 grand?The 'million' in there makes it look weightier,perhaps?

You guys should be clearer and less "niggardly",...... with the info.


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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 8:13:18 AM   
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I saw million, where you meant hundred thousand.My bad.

I never saw someone use the word million, to describe a hundred thousand before.Cute.

What`s wrong with using 400 thousand or 400 grand?The 'million' in there makes it look weightier,perhaps?

You guys should be clearer and less "niggardly",...... with the info.



Hah!
I used that same word last week (in a conversation with a friend that took place in public, overheard by someone who apparently needs to browse a dictionary) and was accused of being a racist white bitch lol. Now that is ignorance.

I got a great laugh out of the Paris Hilton video, it was cute and it was really nice to see her all grown up for a change.


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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 8:16:54 AM   
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I think a few members owe BP an apology, before waiting in their rooms for a spanking.


I`m always amused by folks to delight and gush at the opportunity to correct or scold someone`s honest or simple mistake.

Their perfection,...... is awe inspiring.as is their modesty and humility.


To bring this hi-jack back on topic,what does Paris think about "new-q-ler" power plants?




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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 8:29:36 AM   
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I think a few members owe BP an apology


Neither you or BP are in any position to demand anything from people who routinely back up their facts, and acknowledge their errors.

And nobody should let any comment from you on the topic of honesty pass without pointing how many threads you are running away from because you can't back up your claims...care to go back to the claim that Bush signed the 1993 legislation allowing predatory lending? Or your assessment of the history books reporting on a certain era?

Or shall we stay in the present and see how many times you've written 2.7 million instead of 2 million 700 thousand, as you just ridiculed others for when you were called on your erronious attacks?

Once more, for the new folks, neither of you are liberals or progressives in any way shape or form... you are either so benighted that you actually think that liberalism is all about lying and hatemongering and bigotry against anyone you can't bully into accepting your whacky BS assertions... or you are plants trying to portray all liberals as acting the way you do.

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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 8:54:15 AM   
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Once more, for the new folks, neither of you are liberals or progressives in any way shape or form... you are either so benighted that you actually think that liberalism is all about lying and hatemongering and bigotry against anyone you can't bully into accepting your whacky BS assertions... or you are plants trying to portray all liberals as acting the way you do.


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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 2:35:53 PM   
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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 2:43:16 PM   
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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 3:10:45 PM   
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(This ought to be good... [getitng a Coke and some popcorn] I love third rate fantasy movies, don't you?)

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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 3:13:29 PM   
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Thanks for pointing out the timeline on 3MI vs China Syndrome. You'll note that a little thing like causality didn't slow 'em down much...

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RE: The Paris Response Ad - 8/6/2008 3:18:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am no fan of Paris or Britney.  But Senator McCain's staff needs to think twice about treating their own donors this way.

Paris Hilton's Parents Are McCain Donors

by Andy BarrJuly 31, 2008 "Paris's parents have donated a combined $6,900 to the McCain campaign. The celebutaunt's father Rick gave McCain $4,600 in March, and her mother Kathleen spent her own $2,300 in April.

The family patriarch William Barron Hilton, the co-chairman of the Hilton hotel chain and celebrity's grandfather, has made five separate donations to McCain, totaling $15,100. The elder Hilton is a highly active GOP donor for several campaigns and committees, having donated to Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani as well as the National Republican Senatorial Committee to the tune of $15,000.

Paris has not donated to a candidate."

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/07/31/paris-hiltons-parents-are-mccain-donors/


And her mother, Kathleen has been very vocal in her displeasure about the advertisement.
 
 
Kathy Hilton lashes out at McCain ad calling it a 'waste'
DAILY NEWS STAFF
Sunday, August 3rd 2008, 4:51 PM

"It is a complete waste of the money John McCain's contributors have donated to his campaign," she said. "It is a complete waste of the country's time and attention at the very moment when millions of people are losing their homes and their jobs. And it is a completely frivolous way to choose the next President of the United States."


And the McCain campaign did not ask permission to use the images and has not apologized.

McCain's office has not apologized for the ad, but explained that they used images of Paris and Spears because they came up second and third in a search for the top three celebrities in the world.

Paris showed her own disdain for the ad on Thursday in a frosty statement released by her publicist: "Miss Hilton was neither asked, nor did she give permission, for the use of her likeness in the ad, and has no further comment."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/08/03/2008-08-03_kathy_hilton_lashes_out_at_mccain_ad_cal.html


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