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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/7/2008 10:22:55 PM   
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I highly, highly second the idea of getting involved in your local scene--especially going to play parties.  We have the most wonderful "public" dungeon here and various groups are always doing demos & having munches.  You can learn so much from just watching, asking questions of those who teach demos, and talking to more experienced lifestylers during the munches.  You might even find a great mentor!  My Dom learned a lot in this manner--and I can attest to his skill level being quite high. 

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/7/2008 10:58:15 PM   
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Angelus, read your own post.  It says: "I met this wonderful woman and we clicked tremendously on every level."

Let's assume she feels the same.

If she does and she's in it for YOU and not a specific BDSM activity (and women are funny that way - they relate to people over activities), then you've got her while you learn together.

Enjoy!


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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/7/2008 11:32:48 PM   
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Hey yall! we forgot the Topping Book, The Master Manuel, and S&M 101 !!!!! All amazeing books....I highly suggest them...mhmmmh MasterFireMaaam Your lurking somewhere...come help with all your vast book knowledge

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/8/2008 2:52:45 AM   
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Everyone has given really great advice already....... education, community, communication.. all good ways to further your knowledge......Just have fun with the whole process....and keep your sense of humor! 

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/8/2008 4:22:45 AM   
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I thought EVERYONE tested toys on themselves first.  *shrug*  OP - just go slow and try a little of everything.  Learn together.  Just remember, if you do something 'wrong' - she won't know.  ;)

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/8/2008 4:28:08 AM   
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This is a really Awesome post.   Some of my most memorable experiences was the first time I started doing various activitities.  It was a rather natural, slow and easy progression.   Mind you, along with intense mind blowing moments.

It's awesome you found somebody you connect with.

If anything, it's about learning and dealing with the process.  Trying something new, doing it, a little uncertain, your heart is racing.  Some of it fun and magical.  Some of it intense and dark and a little mind blowing.

To finally do things, the final humps over social conditioning in your mind.  That it's bad to hurt girls and call them dirty names and use in the twisted ways you will.  LOL..

It's more about experiencing the process of doing things.  Little secret here, some of us experienced people, have not said and done it all yet.   Some of us have activities we have yet to explore or fully explore.

Take a deep breath, take things a mutual pace.  Do a lot of talking about things before and after the fact. 

Don't let it be a suprise, if your submissive partner wants to push limits or level of play up a notch or two along the way.  Communication and listening to what she has to say, will help you a lot.   You are exploring new territories.  If you have a kinky thought, simply mention what you are thinking about.  She how she responds to your imagination. 

Basically, think of communication like a form of mental sex.

The more she trusts you, she just might be opening up and sharing her darkest fantasies with you. 

It's a blend of your fantasies and hers together is what makes the chemistry so damn hot. 

Explore crazy things with one another.  Your ideas and her ideas.  She might think of something you might have never considered but you might discover you Love it to death.   The same thing goes the other way around.  You probally have twists and kinks that she's never thought about, but it just might rock her world.

Remember, to take charge of not only your wants, desires and needs, but hers as well.   You're the MAN!   Take everything you know about her and yourself, and put it to good use.   You are Mastering not only yourself, but her as well.  Get to know her like the palm of your hand, also don't loose track of yourself on your other palm.  Put both hands together.  :-)

Also try to capture romance of some form.  Can be as simple as whispering dirty things in her ears.  Mix the nasty nasty up with the beautiful loving remarks.  Just like you would with pleasure and pain.   You want to fuck her mind, body and soul all at the same time.  Take and assert yourself in these areas..

I'm smiling this morning making this post.  Dude, you'll know you are doing a good job, if she starts to express being weak in the knees.  You'll know by the way she looks at you, and she knows by the way you look at her.   The more and more she expresses how much she wants to things for you, about how you are the center of her world.  When she starts to become feeling lost without you...

I'm just expressing the positive things to look forward to, things that when you see them happening.  Means you are doing everything right.

Hell, even if you are less then perfect and admit it, or when your human weaknesses are exposed to her.  She will telling you, that she does not care, that to her you are perfect, flaws and faults..  wait a minute I need to pull my head out of my own memories here.

It's excieting!  Relax and try not to freak out. 

Don't let Fear drag you down or fuck with your self confidence.
 
Congratulations BTW, also.. refreshing to see somebody make a post like this!  I agree with people wanting to CLONE you.

My gut is telling me, this girl is in for a good experience with you!  Added bonus, is that you don't seem like the asshole Dom type, one that's filled with a lot Jaded Anger and bitterness. 

I wish you guys the best.  Great post.

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/8/2008 4:37:14 AM   
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quote:

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I thought EVERYONE tested toys on themselves first.  *shrug*  OP - just go slow and try a little of everything.  Learn together.  Just remember, if you do something 'wrong' - she won't know.  ;)

Naw, just the ones who want to be sure the sub is feeling what they are supposed to.  I do not know how on earth I will test my single tail on myself first, once I get one, which I will..  Oh don't get me wrong I have hit myself with a whip, but I have a feeling an actual strike is a whole different animal.  Very important to test your tools on yourself otherwise, especially with fire play, candle wax, or electricity (Most expecially electricity.  THIS stuff should be triple checked) which can have very effects far different from what was intednded if you do not test them first. Candles should be tested by holding them far from your arm, then bringing it closere and testig the temeprature of each drip (which increases at the candle gets closer - less time and less air contact to leach out the heat and cool it off) so that you can establish the right distance to hold the candle.. oh and I reccomend unscented taper candles.  I have not tried beezwax yet.  Curious to know it is is a higher quality product for such uses.

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/8/2008 5:09:30 PM   
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Congratulations Grey.  I'm glad for you that you've found someone who clicks with you.

The good news for you is that this isn't really a problem at all, it only seems like one.  Let's take a look at the parameters of the problem...

a)  You don't know enough to be good at everything yet.
See, here's the good news.  I don't either.  Neitehr does leatherist, focus, or [insert experienced name here].  And all those people, experienced as they are, would still be starting from close to square zero with YOUR sub.  This should be a special and wonderful time for you where the two of you openly communicate your wants and needs.  You two should be talking about your hopes and fears -- including your fear of your own ignorance.  You two should be helping each other over the inevitable mishaps and mistakes.  This is where you should be learning TOGETHER and helping each other past the hurdles and mistakes TOGETHER.  Last time I checked, togetherness was really good for relationships.

One time, I made a mistake with mine and I was crushed.  I was morose and thinking about maybe putting a stop to the whole M/s thing.  She came to me and knelt in front of me asking what was wrong.  I spilled out my fears and worries and insecurities ending it with, "...I just don't know how I can pickup my end of the leash now."  There it is, right?  Your very fear materialized.  My own ignorance and weakness exposed in front of my slave who surely would then begin to doubt my ability to control her, no?  She looked up at me in deep thought for a moment, got up, came back again with the leash in hand.  Then she knelt, clipped the leash to her collar and said, "It's not really all that hard.  See?  You just hold it like this."  as she gently put the leash into my hand. 

Now let me expand this a minute. I've been in various kinds of leadership positions since I was about 24.  In all that time, I have never, ever, felt compelled to put up that "I know everything and I'm infallible" exterior that some other leaders seem to favor.  Oddly, not once, in all that time, has anyone ever referred to me as either weak or incompetent.  I've spent 20 years openly admitting my failures, shortcomings, pesonality defects, and god knows what to my subordinates and bosses both and nobody has ever felt that that made me less of a leader.  Here's the dirty little secret.  See, your sub already knows that you are not perfect... she's human also.  She has deep and intimate personal knowledge with the fallability of humans.  Now, if you as the leader start trying to project an aura of infallability, guess what?  Your sub suddenly knows, for an absolute, 100% incontrovertible fact that you are a liar.  How's that for a trust killer for you?  Many people are confused about this and they think they want a leader who lies to them like that.  They are wrong though and over time, the sense of mistrust grows, typically expressed in ways such as, "I don't know, I just don't trust him." or "He's such an arrogant bastard" or "Why won't he ever listen to me?" or....

If you're worried about her trust... I'd strongly suggest starting with a foundation of truthfulness which is a great way to build trust *laughs*  If this girl is so confused and lost in fantasy that she does not want a human dom, then good for you for finding that out right now before disaster happens.  Send her packing on her merry way to find her fantasy man somewhere else.  You NEED to be able to trust your sub (see my story above for an example why) and nobody who is lost in fantasy land is trust-worthy with reality.

b) You're feeling rushed to learn quickly
OK, you didn't say it, but I know you gotta be feeling it.  The thing to ask yourself is "Where's the fire?"  Look, I collared my wife with me at 44, her at 52, and us at the 11 year mark in our marriage.  I have a lot more reason to be rushed than you seeing as, by your lights, I'm virtually dead already *laughs*.  I take a different approach.  My theory is that I've got another 40 good years with my wife give or take.  That's PLENTY of time to accomplish anything.  So I am going very very slowly for two very important reasons.  The first and least important is that I'd like to take the time to smell the roses.  As I indicated above, this is a beautiful time and I'd like to experience it fully rather than rush through it.  Secondly, and much more importantly, I have a lot riding on this. For me, at least, I'm gambling with an 11 year marriage.  So I'm going SLOOOOOOOW.  I'm building my foundation one brick at a time.  And each brick is carefully and lovingly molded, fired, and inspected by me to ensure that it is exactly the right brick.

Really.  Honestly.  There is no rush.  Start with the things you DO know how to do insofar as kink activities.  Insofar as extending control, I was married to my wife for 11 years with all the trust, communication, and respect that you'd expect to be built in an 11 year long [good] relationship.  But still, it is maybe just recently where her obedience is really getting to be unquestioned.  I've been fine with that to.  If I attempt to take control, I risk everything by her resenting it.  If I let her give me control, but she goes too quickly, then god knows what sorts of mistakes will happen but I see no reason to suffer them.  So I let her give me control, but no faster than I'm willing to accept it and that acceptance has come very very slowly as I was convinced that the two of us and the relationship were ready for the next step.

Have fun exploring with your new partner.
~Jeff

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/8/2008 5:15:57 PM   
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mail, Grey,...:)

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/8/2008 7:59:48 PM   
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Congratulations!  Everyone has given you some excellent advice, so I'll just say that my Master and I had little BDSM experience when we found each other.  The last year has been one of laughter, intensity and all out fun of learning together as we go!

So enjoy it all as you explore and learn about each other, and the fun stuff you two will engage in along the way. 

Have fun!

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/8/2008 8:28:05 PM   
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I can only echo what a couple have folks have touched on.

Exactly how do you think those of us with experience, got that experience?  Believe it or not, every single one of us were exactly in the place where you are now.  We didn't just get into the scene and become suddenly blessed with all of the skills that we might have today.  Think of it as any other thing that you learned how to do.  Any of the things that you know how to do today had to start somewhere.  You probably learned something about it from others and had some trial and error along the way. 

From where I stand, you're admitting that you're not uber top, and that's a really good way to go.  Being honest about what level you're at is important.  It's a heck of a lot better than pretending you know how to do anything and everything, without having the slightest clue.

Take that a step further, and take that exact mentality with you when you go out to your local community.  Go to demos and classes and after the presentation is over, talk with the person who gave the tutorial.  Trust Me.  Those of us who do these kind of things are more than willing to talk after we've done whatever it is that we were doing.  I still do this Myself when I go to things that other people are teaching.  There are a lot of things to learn out there and that never stops.

I'd like to wish My best of luck to you, and to this new gal.  You're going to have a lot of fun.


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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/8/2008 11:56:32 PM   
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GA,
I am prolly not going to tell you much different than what others have told you, but I want to share with you my secret. LOOK at her. Look at her while you are talking, look at her while you are shopping, look at her until she looks like she is going to wet herself. I have always enjoyed the mental aspect of bdsm more than I have the physical (Which is really hard right now, since I lost my sight last year) but it doesn't stop me from looking at a new boy. I love the giddy little feelings I get from him when he is being looked at. It blows my mind to no end when I can tell it is making him hot just sitting there having dinner. Something so simple as playing cards turns into a fuck fest <g> But you don't want to be creepy about it either. Make sure that the way she is feeling is exactly what *you* want her to feel.
Don't be afraid to just caress her hand..and tell her softly that you do not have that much experience, and would she mind learning with you? How can she say no, when you are laying yourself out there to her, completely human? I envy you in many ways, but there is nothing that says egotistical more than someone who will not freely admit that he doesn't know all there is to know about any given subject. I think the fact that you care enough to come here for advice says a lot about you. Have fun! And remember, if you make a mistake, you can both laugh about it, as it will be a mistake you both are aware of, not just you.

Good luck!


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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/9/2008 5:09:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Maxwell67
I have not tried beezwax yet.  Curious to know it is is a higher quality product for such uses.


Beeswax has a melting point of around 145F (it varies with the exact composition of the wax, but only by a couple of degrees).   Paraffin, a major ingredient in cheaper candles, starts melting at 125F (again, depends on actual composition).  Various vegetable waxes melt at different temps.  Generally, because of its higher melting temperature, beeswax is not considered a good choice for wax play.

We now return you to your GAAAAKK thread....

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/9/2008 6:38:33 AM   
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And... different colored dyes melt at a hotter tempature too. Please keep that in mind. :-)

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/9/2008 6:44:36 AM   
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You can mix in mineral oil though, to reduce the temp significantly, and it becomes a massage technique, not an act of sadism.  Then the issue is not having mineral oil clog the pores.  So you could spring for something like this

http://www.shop.com/Paraffin_Wax_Beads_TheraBath-22077995-29983040-p!.shtml?sourceid=298

and have the sub do it to the dom by dripping from a paintbrush.


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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/9/2008 7:28:06 AM   
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Every once in a while, you stumble acrss a thread that makes you feel good. This is one of those..;)

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/9/2008 2:49:14 PM   
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Sir, you rock.  I had a brief look at your profile and its very refreshing to see a new dominant be totally honest about their lack of experience.  That, combined with the post your making here leads me to believe that you have a very bright future ahead as a responsible dominant.

The key here is to be honest, which it would seem you already are.  Your profile says your inexperienced, so I doubt she thinks anything differently.  Now just take baby steps with her when trying new things since neither of you have experience.  Heck, if you want you can have practice sessions that aren't really scenes but are more for just trying stuff out.  A dominant friend of mine who had an engineering mind liked to play what he called girl legos.  He would snag his submissive and spend some amount of time just trying to put her in different positions, with different ties, etc. to see what worked and what didn't.  That way, later when they were actually scening, he already had a good idea of what was feasible and what would be required to accomplish his intentions.

Oh, and I must agree with Maxwell67 as well.  Do remain confidant and in-charge.  Its perfectly possible to be honest about your inexperience yet firmly in charge.  It can be a problem for a submissive if their dominant becomes insecure or unsure of themselves.  Which is also why I recomended baby-steps because its a lot easier to remain relatively sure of oneself when taking a small step forward rather than jumping off a bridge.

Also, do try to avoid using the dominant's safe word during a scene.  Otherwise knowns as "oops".  Particularly if your submissive is blind folded or othewise can't see what you're doing.  Being all helpless and hearing something that clearly indicates your dominant just screwed up and knows it can be very unsettling.  Unless of course you're an evil bastared and intentionally trying to mind-fuck the poor dear.  But, I probably would not suggest that until you have more experience.

Lastly, I highly encourage both of you to run out (yes RUN - right now) and join your local BDSM communities.  Go meet people, talk to them, attend educational workshops, go to play parties and just watch other people play.  In a few months you'll be amazed at how much you learned by just doing this, without even needing to participate or play publicly yourselves!  My honest opinion is that you can learn more in 2-3 months real-time in a community than you could in a decade on the Interent.

*** Unrelated funny story regarding not using "oops".  A freind of mine who is a very expereinced dom was co-topping her submissive with 2 other doms she knew in a public dungeon.  They had worked him over very hard (serious masochist that he is) and they were winding the scene down.  Because she's a wonderfully sadistic person she applied rubbing alcohol to his back and butt, causing the expected stinging sensation.  This is of course an important thing to do for sanitary reasons.  [smirk]  One of her co-tops had gone over to her toy bag and pulled out this tennis-raquet looking electrical toy to give him a quick zap on his bottom as a goodbye.  Well, guess what, electrical sparks can ignite alcohol.  Yep, completely unxpectedly this became a fire play scene (she didn't know there had been alcohol applied).  Now there is a serious OOPS.  But all 3 co-tops are very experienced dominants so none of them said or did anything to make this really serious blunder obvious.  Instead, being knowledgable of fire play, they reached out with their hands and quashed the flames within a few seconds.  So there were no burns or problems at all.  The bottom, having felt this suddent hot sensation, remarked that whatever they did it felt amazing and he loved it!  Had they freaked out or paniced as tops the sub would have gotten very nervous or worried at best.  At worst he could have realized he was on fire, getten up and started to run around while burning!  Things were much safer with him remaining still and calm.  By remaining calm the tops dealt with the situation and actually made it fun for the bottom while doing so.  Of course they later told him what had happened.  Responsible handling of situations like this can build a lot of trust.  They both love to tell this story now and I've heard it at least a dozen times.

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/9/2008 2:58:42 PM   
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Sometimes being a responsible D is not how much you learn or how many techniques you know... but rather how you will react when things go wrong.

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/9/2008 3:53:46 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Maxwell67
I have not tried beezwax yet.  Curious to know it is is a higher quality product for such uses.


Beeswax has a melting point of around 145F (it varies with the exact composition of the wax, but only by a couple of degrees).   Paraffin, a major ingredient in cheaper candles, starts melting at 125F (again, depends on actual composition).  Various vegetable waxes melt at different temps.  Generally, because of its higher melting temperature, beeswax is not considered a good choice for wax play.

We now return you to your GAAAAKK thread....

-- Allondra (beeswax chandler extraordinaire)


Thanks.  You saved me wasting money or potentially burning myself testing it out (I would have researched it more first.. but since I brought it up here it was a good idea to have it addressed.).  If I want to do something one day where I drip the wax from a much greater height I may look into it again, but right now I don't see it happening. 

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RE: GAAAAKK!! what the hell... - 8/9/2008 4:49:12 PM   
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Good for you...

Now, play nice, understand both your limits, and be careful.
But most of all, have fun!

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