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If the authorities then start ignoring the court system they set up then that is an enormous problem.

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They're ALREADY ignoring the Federal Courts which have jurisdiction.

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.i think, as Archer has pointed out, that the fog of war can confuse things. A conservative estimate of those wrongly sent to Gitmo hovers around the 27% mark.[\quote]

That doesn't seem like a "conservative" estimate to me. It seems rather, ah, generous, to one side of the debate. You may have a resource for this, though, so I will wait until I am able to read through it myself to pass judgement. Care to share?

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

On top of the valid point you raise Archer, there are other reasons some of these prisoners are still in Gitmo.

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http://www.newsweek.com/id/141513

The largest block of Gitmo prisoners—nearly 100 of the remaining 270—hail from Yemen, a country that so far has resisted taking back detainees because of U.S. demands that they be put on trial back home (or, at least, that the Yemenis pledge to keep a close eye on them). "Of course, we want our citizens back," says Abdulwahab al-Hajjri, Yemen's ambassador to the United States. "But [the United States] has these conditions, so this is taking time." Other prisoners come from countries that allegedly engage in torture, such as Syria, Libya and China. Attempts to find countries in Europe willing to take them have hit a brick wall.

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ORIGINAL: amenableboy

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They're ALREADY ignoring the Federal Courts which have jurisdiction.

I am curious which federal courts have jurisdiction here. Can you name which ones?

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ORIGINAL: DomDolf
Though I am not perfect and will never achieve perfection I strive every day to become more so. I hope others are doing the same.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


Driver gets 5 and a 1/2 years.

That is one hell of a traffic ticket.

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This was supposed to be a big show with fireworks and evil~doers get`n justice.

What happened?

The government had every advantage and had dirty tricks made legal.All the time money and resources and people to try the guy and they got zilch.

This is a direct result of how the bushies mis-handled the trails,evidence and prisoners.

This is one more example of the utter failure of the neo-cons to prosecute the war on terror.They`re fuck-ups, on every level.

They can`t even win a shame trail.

Note to neo-patriots:they have to be more than brown people from and "over there",......to qualify as a bad guy.

Letting OBL get away, was their greatest failure.(however one member here, actually thinks letting him go is a good idea,so there you have it)

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ORIGINAL: Archer

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/26/washington/26gitmo.html

This is the best article I have found citing the study I mentioned.
I called it a conservative estimate because if there is any bias in the study I would have to guess it would be towards the conservative side of the argument.

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/26/washington/26gitmo.html

This is the best article I have found citing the study I mentioned.
I called it a conservative estimate because if there is any bias in the study I would have to guess it would be towards the conservative side of the argument.

...thanks for finding that Archer. It certainly isn't the result of an anti-wars groups fundraising. i was intrigued by the estimate of  those seen as a 'potential threat'. This is basically the grey area, where intel leading to these people being detained in less reliable than we would all like.
Basically we are told that 73% are a proven threat, 22% are a potential threat and therefore 5% are being held needlessly.
Let's make an assumption that the intel leading to the arrest of the 22% was two thirds accurate. Some would see that as optimistic, but what they hey......that leaves us with around another 7% to add to the being held needlessly pyramid.

So, from a Pentagon report designed to rebuff the more colourful claims of the guilt/innocene of those at Gitmo, we can fairly admit to roughly a 10% error rate. Actually, it's not bad, but it should not be ignored and must be acted on. Great people have no problem admitting mistakes, it's one of the best ways to learn how to be greater.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


When the SCOTUS ruled that detainees had habeas corpus rights,were they also part "fringes",trying make good folks believe things that weren`t true?