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FatDomDaddy -> RE: Why Can't Many Muslim Women Compete in The Olympics? (8/11/2008 5:04:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 What does the Saudi version of Sharia law have to with the IOC? Why haven`t you spoken up before about the dark side of Sharia law ? If you were really interested(I don`t think you are),it wouldn`t be the IOC you`d use to seek a solution. Obviously you haven't read many of my posts. But OK... For what its worth. The IOC has direct control over the Olympic Games. This thread is about the Olympic Games. Saudi Arabia is competing in the Olympic Games. The IOC banned South Africa for doing the same thing to black athletes that the Saudis are doing to women athletes. The IOC has not banned Saudi Arabia. George Bush has 5 months left in offiice and then he becomes powerless for the rest of his life. The IOC will be holding Games in 2010 and 2012. When your girl Mrs Clinton is President in January, I am sure she will do something about Sharia Law don't you?

Racquelle -> RE: Why Can't Many Muslim Women Compete in The Olympics? (8/11/2008 5:54:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy No we are not Requella..... Yeah, you're right - I didn't see ANY generalizing in this thread, and I am certainly impressed by how you have posted copious references to actual laws that ban women's participation in sports in any country you mentioned. quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy It is true that Men's basketball and Football make far more money than any women sports but that is market driven. The purpose of our public schools, including universities, is education, not market share. To deny the discrimination here at home proves to me that you don't have any particular concern for the well-being of women, and can't be considered informed on the very issue you appear to be rallying against. - R A C Q U E L L E

TheHeretic -> RE: Why Can't Many Muslim Women Compete in The Olympics? (8/11/2008 6:18:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 And you haven`t aswered my question about the establishment of Sharia law in Iraq. So far,no one`s manned up and responded to that question. That's because we are still waiting for you to specify what you are talking about, O59. Do you mean the debate over the Iraqi Constitution in '05? Or are you confuzzled by the never followed-up reports of what life was like in the areas of the countryside where Al Qaeda had assumed control, before being chased out by the surge? Now here is an actual bit of factual back-up to point... http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/04/sports/4oly.php Iraq has four athletes in China to compete. One of them is a women. Obviously, whatever horrors you are bloviating about, don't include denying women competition in sports. And then here, we have a female suicide bomber who drove up in a car... http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/04/27/iraq.main/index.html, so obviously. Iraqi women can drive. From these little tidbits, I'm running on the assumption that your "Sharia Law in Iraq" spouting was just another wild-ass swing at a pinata you're sure must be up there, somewhere. Tell us what you mean, and I'll tell you how I feel about it. Until then, you don't have the credibility to say "the best things to come out of a penis, are the wrinkles," without something to back it up

Owner59 -> RE: Why Can't Many Muslim Women Compete in The Olympics? (8/11/2008 8:06:36 PM)
[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m23.gif[/image] This is how we got Bush and got stuck in Iraq,willful ignorance. http://www.meforum.org/article/17 http://www.csi-int.org/religious_repression.php http://www.assyriatimes.com/engine/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3094 http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=26250&sec=58&cont=all "Iraq, Egypt, China slammed in US religious freedom report" (AFP, September 14, 2007) Washington, USA — Religious freedom conditions have worsened in insurgency-wracked Iraq as well as Egypt, while communist China has embarked on a crackdown on foreign missionaries ahead of the Olympics, the US government warned in a report Friday. The State Department's annual report on religious freedoms around the world also noted "continued deterioration of the extremely poor status of respect for religious freedom" in Iran and highlighted "serious problems" in Pakistan. These things didn`t happen till we helped establish Sharia law in Iraq. ~~~~~~~~~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2307987.stm ~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-05/2008-05-02-voa60.cfm?CFID=24589656&CFTOKEN=36155574 Michael Cromartie says the group is seriously concerned about the level of religious freedom in Iraq, where non-Muslims face widespread violence from Sunni insurgents and foreign extremists. "In 2007, the commission placed Iraq on the watch list, citing escalating unchecked sectarian violence, mounting evidence of collusion between Shia militias and Iraqi government ministries, and the severe plight of the country's smallest religious minorities," he said. ~~~~~~~~~~ And there`s how women are treated,now. http://www.feministing.com/archives/002626.html http://www.danielpipes.org/article/1091 http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=32967&archive=true http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/mar/21/comment.iraq All this,the damage already done and to be done,probably for generations to come,is a direct result of Sharia law`s establishment. Thanks neo-cons and Bush apologists/enablers, for this cultural disaster. No wonder no one wants to take responsibility for this,let alone acknowledge it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The botched invasion has also made Iran the major power(non-friend)in the region. And McCain wants to escalate and remain in the region indefinitely.

TheHeretic -> RE: Why Can't Many Muslim Women Compete in The Olympics? (8/11/2008 9:02:36 PM)
The problem with such a shotgun sort of reply, is that I might be in the mood to look at it... Comments in bold quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 http://www.meforum.org/article/17 Christians http://www.csi-int.org/religious_repression.php Christians http://www.assyriatimes.com/engine/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3094 Christians (I'm seeing a trend) http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=26250&sec=58&cont=all More Christians ~~~~~~~~~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2307987.stm Nice little page break here... Nope, still Christians ~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-05/2008-05-02-voa60.cfm?CFID=24589656&CFTOKEN=36155574 And, just to spice things up, Christians again. Gee, O59, I didn't know you were so concerned for them... As promised, I think the repression of religious minorities in Iraq is a bad thing. I balance this with the knowledge that chemical weapon attacks on villages that don't think right have been greatly reduced since our arrival. ~~~~~~~~~~ And there`s how women are treated,now. http://www.feministing.com/archives/002626.html Ah, women at last. This one says women's rights groups are springing up http://www.danielpipes.org/article/1091 Here we find an opinion that the gains in Iraq are merely an unintended side effect of our real aims in the region. Gains? http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=32967&archive=true Stars and Stripes? I'm almost impressed. It's a nice feature about the importance of protecting the rights of Iraqi women in the new Constitution. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/mar/21/comment.iraq A nasty opinion piece, that speculates women might be repressed in some areas. As promised, again, I think a lot of what we have seen on this front in Iraq is a result of that which was repressed under the brutal Hussein regime, bursting forth. As you have illustrated so nicely with your links on the subject, the situation is moving in the right direction. The struggle will be long, and, had different decisions been made at the highest levels, early on, many of the legitimate issues could have been better resolved. Do better next time.

Vendaval -> RE: Why Can't Many Muslim Women Compete in The Olympics? (8/12/2008 2:28:37 AM)
What are your sources and evidence for these statements? quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy As to your statement about Title IX, womans facilities and funding are by law, equal to those of men. And in schools where football is played, the scholarship sports exceede those of men. It is true that Men's basketball and Football make far more money than any women sports but that is market driven. Usually, Football and Men's Basketball makes more than all of the sports (men's and women's) combined. Oh... and the revenues??? Split equally throughout the athletic departments.

Thadius -> RE: Why Can't Many Muslim Women Compete in The Olympics? (8/12/2008 2:40:01 AM)
Not to get to far off on this side road... quote: Domestically, sports like basketball, soccer and softball have skewed USOC funding somewhat toward women's athletics, according to data obtained by ESPN.com. For the 2006 funding period -- the most recently available -- the USOC funded women's programs among national governing bodies with about $15.9 million, compared to $12.9 million for men's programs. The above quote was taken from an interesting article about women in the olympics.. http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/columns/story?id=3394741

Vendaval -> RE: Why Can't Many Muslim Women Compete in The Olympics? (8/12/2008 2:56:26 AM)
Thank you for the link, Thadius. The situation has improved over-all but much remains to be done. I do hope that women's softball can be kept as an event.

Thadius -> RE: Why Can't Many Muslim Women Compete in The Olympics? (8/12/2008 3:09:58 AM)
Softball will be gone, it has already been voted out. Just as baseball is going away. These are the first sports removed from the Olympics since polo in 1936. The earliest either could come back would be 2016. There are improvements in getting more women into the games, and hopefully it will extend to the 2 biggest holdouts Saudi Arabia and Qatar. I am actually more has not been said about some of the actual participants. Like Iran's recent athletes refusing to compete with Israel. In '04 the wrestler that refused his match against the Israeli, and this year the swimmer that refused to take the blocks because there was an Israeli in the heat. Only time will tell, then again if some of the doomsday predictions are correct it may be a moot point anyways. [;)]

Vendaval -> RE: Why Can't Many Muslim Women Compete in The Olympics? (8/12/2008 3:16:30 AM)
The background politics to these competitions can be most deterimental to the athletes and their supporters. Which is a real shame, IMO.

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