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Advice - 8/11/2008 2:32:31 PM

boytrainer

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I have a very good slave who is a true masochist which I love. His pain is my pleasure. My favorite thing is to tie him down and rape him with my many different sized "cucks". I love using him this way. It is so powerful. He does not get any pleasure from this at all. He is such a good slut that he takes it for me. I know he does this for my pleasure and I want to take it to the next level. I want to find a bull so we will both use my slaves ass. I have been thinking about this for about a year and I always tell my slave that this going to happen. My slave has no desire to be used this way by a man. By me submitting my slave to this type of play, make him bi? I am seeking some advice.

Also does anyone know any good cuckhold sites? Or guy on guy porn?

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RE: Advice - 8/11/2008 2:37:18 PM

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I dont think making a man be with another man is going to change his mind on his sexual orentation, he might try it and like it, he might try it hate it and hate you for forcing it on him. I would ask him how seriously he is against and communicate it to him. While Its one thing to be taken by a woman with a strap on its a whole nother ballpark to be taken by a man. I would talk to him about it, see if he has any inclination towards men, or if hed be doing it to simply please you.

But Sexual orentation isnt going to be changed just because your with someone of the same gender, you have to have a sexual attraction to them.

ETA: a word of advice its against ToS to post about other users, in your journal or profile, you might want to take out screen names from your journal entry

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RE: Advice - 8/11/2008 2:41:56 PM

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if you want porn there is plenty of it if you google "free gay porn" you'll find scores. There are several free youtube type of porn sites too. youporn.com, redtube.com etc etc. There is one with lots of gay sex.

No matter what you force your slave to do, it doesn't CHANGE his sexuality. Well it could change his perceptions. But he is either attracted to men, or not. And while he could be attracted to sex with them in a given circumstance I'd say that is wholly different than actually making him become bisexual.

However, I personally would caution you against forcing him to have another human being penetrate his body. I'd start of with something a bit more fake, like get a guy to BE there, but still YOU are the one who's doing him. Psychologically intense, but still keeping him and his body safe. It could even be used as a stepping stone to the real thing if he becomes comfortable with it. This is one of my own personal quirks, I guess: but I feel like its more detrimental than appropriate to use your position to force someone to have sex with another human if they really don't want to. I don't think its good for them psychologically. When they are ready for "forced" sex? Sure. When they consent, mindful of the full spectrum of consequences? Sure. I like to take a long time training and working with the person intimately on an issue such as that. Again, to me personally, its just an unhealthy thing to do in general and can cause legitimate harm.

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RE: Advice - 8/11/2008 2:51:50 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: boytrainer
By me submitting my slave to this type of play, make him bi? I am seeking some advice.

What you are doing will not make him bi if he is not already. It just humiliates him (for good or ill.. that is your/his call not mine). Advice on what?

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RE: Advice - 8/11/2008 3:58:46 PM

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ADVICE : forcing another male upon your male is a criminal act ,hire an attorney , perhaps he wont press charges if your lucky .
You can not make anyone gay or bi unless they already are or hold that with in them .The use of a consensual sex toy is one thing binding and having a male in the mix when he has expressed he does not want that at all is another .Your "slave" has no desire to be used in this way" SO LISTEN TO HIM .

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RE: Advice - 8/11/2008 3:58:50 PM

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Ditto to Maxwell. Actions do not equate to orientation. Trust me, as a woman who has participated in tons of females slaves "first threesome" experience for their master, they were NOT bisexual, before or after I left, and that was willing and enthusiastic participation on their part.

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RE: Advice - 8/11/2008 4:16:35 PM

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Thanks, I appreciate your comment. I should be a little more clearer. My slave truly enjoys the fear and terror that I create for him. When I say force, I would not do nothing truly against his will. We communicate very well and have built a wonderful trust between the two of us. I adore my slave for the power he gives me and the connection we have. If and when I introduce a bull into our lifestyle it will have to be a force (consentual way) as my sub feeds off being put into these type of situations. I do abide by his limits...............but he is such a good slave and so open minded. I would never misuse my power.

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RE: Advice - 8/11/2008 4:18:25 PM

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Thank you for the websites and your ideas. I love them.

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RE: Advice - 8/11/2008 4:18:31 PM

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Hi,

Forced relations with a member of the same sex does not make one bisexual, no more than it makes them homosexual. One's sexual identity is defined by their own personal preferences not by the actions of (an)other person(s).

There is always the possibility that although originally opposed to the scenario, the male slave realizes that they are aroused by and attracted to the bull (and other men for that matter) at which point, sure he could have discovered bisexuality. But even at this, if the male slave simply endures it, then I wouldn't consider that being bisexual.... more like being very obedient/submissive!

I also tend to agree with the other posts about forced sexual interaction between 2 males when the slave has not consented being a BAD thing. That would be considered rape in my book (and probably in most law books as well). Now don't get me wrong, if the slave does not enjoy such an activity, but consents to it, then that is a different situation all together. In either case, if you are going to bring a 3rd party into the relationship, then I would strongly suggest you all be very clear as to what is being consented to.

Speaking from my own personal experience, I enjoy anal training with a wide selection of toys... but sex with another male is a different scene all together. I would hate for a Domme to assume that consent for one, implicitly implies consent for the other...

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RE: Advice - 8/11/2008 4:21:24 PM

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Thank you................I have been having some fun lately. We workout a few times together at the gym and I have been talking to some studs at the gym and I can see how he squirms...............it gets me so hot!!!!!

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RE: Advice - 8/11/2008 4:37:18 PM

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quote:

By me submitting my slave to this type of play, make him bi?

Would it make a difference? Would it change you and/or your feelings about him? Considering it is you who dominated the activity it would be you who caused the effect.

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I am seeking some advice.

If you are not prepared for the result - don't conduct the experiment.

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RE: Advice - 8/11/2008 4:39:28 PM

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This OP has made me very uncomfortable from the first I read it. And I've read it a few times. It seems to me if you don't understand basic sexual orientation/preference, maybe you shouldn't be pushing this scene on your sub.

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RE: Advice - 8/11/2008 11:00:02 PM

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Cuckold stories .... http://www.dungeonnet.com/weblinks/Cuckold/

Apparently, at least historically, cuckolds aren't supposed to know they're being cuckolded, according to a line in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckold

"A nuance of the word often overlooked in contemporary usage is that it refers to a man who, like the bird warming the cuckoo’s eggs, is unaware of his victimization. A man who knows and acquiesced, in his wife’s taking of another lover was called a wittol, itself a derivation from the Middle English for "willing (as in knowing) cuckold."

The alternative of cuckold is cuckquean...

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