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RE: FEAR, Folklore, and Monsters - 8/13/2008 5:10:25 PM

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I think (about 100 miles away or less) there was a UFO crash in Pennsylvania.
Lots of weird sightings, + lots and lots of ghosts...

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RE: FEAR, Folklore, and Monsters - 8/13/2008 5:17:09 PM

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...when i was a child the most scary thing in the world was the space between my wardrobe and the ceiling in the shadows of the night............

Yes, exactly ... or the long, dark hallway at the top of the stairs that I had to turn my back on at night to run down the stairs. I still remember the frissons of fear I'd get from that simple action. No idea why.

And aliens always creeped me out too. I saw the movie Fire in the Sky about an alien abduction which stuck with me for years.

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RE: FEAR, Folklore, and Monsters - 8/13/2008 6:19:24 PM

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Oh yeah, the owl thing is definitely fading out a bit, and mostly was along various tribal lines if I'm remembering correctly. My friends were Lakota. Apparently its a big thing for them, though its always questionable how accurate people are about their myths and legends and things.

Thing to remember is they also have the lamest weaknesses of all time. For example purportedly if you ask them in human form by their name if they're a skinwalker. They die 3 days later. Also while it's variable as to whether non-native ceremonies would do anything to one, I've noticed a common thread in folklore for things like that (vampires for example being thought to traditionally shapeshift as well) to be repeled by faith. Seems variable as to what kind of faith. People tend to assume that it would be the predominant of any culture they're from. But I'd think it would be more nonspecific just based on the similarities of many kinds of legends. A golden apple could work as well as a cross so to speak. Everything depends on who is using it.

I kind of always went by, sure it's bigger and badder than me. Bound to be something like that. So I'll just be smarter.

Smarter is always a *Good* thing. *winks*

I think the faith and power of a true believer would work no matter what that belief is or what tool they use of thier faith.

Just my opinion.

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RE: FEAR, Folklore, and Monsters - 8/13/2008 7:01:45 PM

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Thank you guys sincerely for making my day. I love native folklore and any folklore or event described in your posts..... Makes me feel like a kid a again.

I could listen all day to Native Folklore especially because I've been so little exposed to it. Please share all that you can even if it insignificant to you.......I actually had to look up skinwalker.--that is how clueless I was ....very.very cool !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: FEAR, Folklore, and Monsters - 8/13/2008 7:38:50 PM

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Well, the myth I recall...and think is Scottish, but am not certain...I learned somehow as a fairly young child, and not from tv....so I'm *inclined* to think I heard it from one of the immigrant/elders in my family/neighborhood enclave.

It is the Sin Eater. Shunned like lepers by their communities, and given no other purpose (Sin Eaters never cast spells or anything, for example)....and for some reason elderly women all....the Sin Eater shows up while the wake is going on.

Someone knew when to expect her, because a feast for one has been prepared. The feast is laid out on top of the coffin, she is seated beside it.

She simply eats..and eats...and eats...more than seems possible....until absolutely nothing is left. Someone pays her, apparently a handsome sum. She then departs, supposedly carrying away with her all sins ever committed by the dead person.

I dunno exactly why this creeps me out so badly, but it certainly does. Something about 'eating' the sins of all the dead in your community, one at a time, coupled with being shunned...I dunno; it's just weirdness that hit me wrong as a kid I guess.

I have never seen a Sin Eater at a wake. I've never heard of it actually happening during a wake of someone who has died during my lifetime....though it *seems* like there was some innuedo that a Sin Eater had been present at a few wakes back in the old country.

So I dunno if the Sin Eater is a myth...a forgotten practice...or some combination of both.

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RE: FEAR, Folklore, and Monsters - 8/13/2008 8:13:39 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin-eater

.......basically an old UK thing, that may have survived longest in the Celtic nations........

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RE: FEAR, Folklore, and Monsters - 8/13/2008 8:34:37 PM

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The Mexican fieldworkers in the area of Santa Maria and Guadalupe, Calfornia tell a local version of La Llorna. (This is in Northern Santa Barbara County, a rural area.)

In this instance, she is a woman in white, weeping for her children, who were killed in a car accident. She walks the road between Guadalupe and Santa Maria at night in the dense fog. Many local people claim to have seen her or given her a ride in their car and then she suddenly vanishes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Llorona

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RE: FEAR, Folklore, and Monsters - 8/14/2008 4:54:41 AM

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Thank you guys sincerely for making my day. I love native folklore and any folklore or event described in your posts..... Makes me feel like a kid a again.

I could listen all day to Native Folklore especially because I've been so little exposed to it. Please share all that you can even if it insignificant to you.......I actually had to look up skinwalker.--that is how clueless I was ....very.very cool !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Navajo tends to be the most well preserved. In that they're quite fortunate. Navajo skinwalkers tend to kinda follow more along the lines of the european idea of the vampire (in terms of the shapeshifting similarity and the eyes thing), combined with the old idea of a witch. Basically a witch that shapeshifts and can steal your body tbh. It's kind of conflicted after that. The most popular idea is that a witch in the "witchery way" (yeah, not too original of a westernized name eh?) gains the power to shapeshift and becomes a skinwalker. Though one would figure there is some kind of a pact associated with that. With something, who knows what.

There are also other branches and sub-branches of witchcraft in Navajo myth. The frenzy way for instance that is associated with controlling the minds and emotions of others. Basically if there's a black magic way to do things, they have a branch associated with it.

Also one might catch the somewhat resemblance of skinwalkers to werewolves of myth. At least somewhat of one.

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Oh yeah, the owl thing is definitely fading out a bit, and mostly was along various tribal lines if I'm remembering correctly. My friends were Lakota. Apparently its a big thing for them, though its always questionable how accurate people are about their myths and legends and things.

Thing to remember is they also have the lamest weaknesses of all time. For example purportedly if you ask them in human form by their name if they're a skinwalker. They die 3 days later. Also while it's variable as to whether non-native ceremonies would do anything to one, I've noticed a common thread in folklore for things like that (vampires for example being thought to traditionally shapeshift as well) to be repeled by faith. Seems variable as to what kind of faith. People tend to assume that it would be the predominant of any culture they're from. But I'd think it would be more nonspecific just based on the similarities of many kinds of legends. A golden apple could work as well as a cross so to speak. Everything depends on who is using it.

I kind of always went by, sure it's bigger and badder than me. Bound to be something like that. So I'll just be smarter.

Smarter is always a *Good* thing. *winks*

I think the faith and power of a true believer would work no matter what that belief is or what tool they use of thier faith.

Just my opinion.

Gwyn

I'd tend to agree. The belief is the important thing. Also no small part of my outsmart monsters ideology was influenced watching Dr Who as a kid :P

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RE: FEAR, Folklore, and Monsters - 8/14/2008 7:41:51 AM

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Candystripper--I have never heard of sineaters before. That is a more than an eery thought. Wakes in general disturb me, I think generations from now, some might think why in the hell did they (we) do that? Thanks for sharing that story.....

Tidbit: I remembering reading that funeral "wakes" began during medieval times when liquor manufacturing was "iffy" at best. A poor soul would go on a drinking binge and pass out for days. Friends and family would gather around and wait for the person to "wake" up. Thus, the term "wake" has mutated into what it is today. The older meaning makes far better sense to me.

Philosophy......duh me! Thanks for providing the link.

Brokensaint............I am not a native though my adult child has some Cherokee in his blood.

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RE: FEAR, Folklore, and Monsters - 8/14/2008 12:15:47 PM

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My mother's family came to the State from Ireland and had tales about the banshee.

"In Irish legend, a banshee wails around a house if someone in the house is about to die. There are particular families who are believed to have banshees attached to them, and whose cries herald the death of a member of that family. Traditionally, when a citizen of an Irish village died, a woman would sing a lament (in Irish: caoineadh, [ˈkiːnʲə] or [ˈkiːnʲuː], "caoin" meaning "to weep, to wail") at their funeral. These women singers are sometimes referred to as "keeners" and the best keeners would be in much demand. Legend has it that, for five great Gaelic families: the O'Gradys, the O'Neills, the O'Briens, the O'Connors, and the Kavanaghs, the lament would be sung by a fairy woman; having foresight, she would sing the lament when a family member died, even if the person had died far away and news of their death had not yet come, so that the wailing of the banshee was the first warning the household had of the death.

In later versions the banshee might appear before the death and warn the family by wailing. When several banshees appeared at once, it indicated the death of someone great or holy.[2] The tales sometimes recounted that the woman, though called a fairy, was a ghost, often of a specific murdered woman, or a woman who died in childbirth.[3]"

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RE: FEAR, Folklore, and Monsters - 8/14/2008 2:19:29 PM

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When I was younger, there was this local program on every Saturday called Monster Movie Matinee. There were three movies that totally terrified me....one was called "The Beast with 5 fingers"....it was a hand that was cut off of a guy when he died, and it came back to kill for revenge. Another one involved some monsters created when radioactive waste came into contact with skeletons at the bottom of a lake...they came to life as these huge scaly monsters that would slit your throat and drink your blood.....another one was set in India I think, and had this woman who could turn into a cobra.....and she kileed these men for revenge for something I can't remember right now. But it was all those great B movie horror flicks...and it didn't help when my mom would wait until we were all engrossed in them and then yell "BAAAAHHHH!" to watch us all jump and scream.

Vampires, Werewolves, beasties of the might are cool...ghosts are too.....but I wouldn't want to get up close and personal with them!

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RE: FEAR, Folklore, and Monsters - 8/14/2008 7:08:59 PM

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RE: FEAR, Folklore, and Monsters - 8/14/2008 8:20:57 PM

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I just had this discussion at somepoint this last week and I have been racking my brains to remember a lot about that time period. I do think that it is tribal and I do remember that some of us got into trouble and having to go to the council. I do not remember why or whom I was with but that sucked. I remember that the most terrifying thing was to get picked up by the tribal cops. Not for me. I really don't remember us ever discussing anything except the owl unless of course it was Iron Maiden and fry bread and Navajo tacos and everyday stuff.

I remember watching two year olds hoop dance.
I did stay for a bit of time with a a family that the father who had to be in his 70's and he would get up in the morning and would pray outside mother earth and father sky. He would also go out to a bar and beat his wife with a broom stick.

This was a very surreal time period and I know that I wasn't aware enough to catch other clues, hence the reason that I superficially researched it later.

edited to add: So does my research for fry bread, it sucks.

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