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Thadius -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 3:28:32 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0njdTjo0b4A 




PanthersMom -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 3:38:54 PM)

oh boy, obama solves a crisis??  why the hell isn't he doing what he was hired to do and helping this country deal with its own crises?  i'm quite sure if he's got that much pull with putin he can pull a few strings here and end our troubles too!  sorry, i think that's just plain bullshit!
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Thadius -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 3:42:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PanthersMom

oh boy, obama solves a crisis??  why the hell isn't he doing what he was hired to do and helping this country deal with its own crises?  i'm quite sure if he's got that much pull with putin he can pull a few strings here and end our troubles too!  sorry, i think that's just plain bullshit!
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There will be no doubting of the Obamessiah allowed here.  Or you will be labeled a right wing nut neo-con bushie like me... [;)]




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 3:49:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

One would think the Peace Crowd would be as against the Russian invasion of Georgia as they were against the US/Great Britain led coalition that invaded Iraq.

From the other thread about the invasion, it looks like people are still trying to figure out what the heck is going on over there, but for the most part ARE against it.  But acknowledging that would invalidate your trollness, and this thread.

~stef



Really???  

It seemed if everyone knew what and why the United States was taking action against Iraq. The United States spelled it out exactly. Also, The US invasion was covered wall to wall with embedded reporters.

Free Press will do that. Something Russia doesn't have to worry about. 

You can make all the excuses you want but what remains is the Hypocrisy of the International Peace/Anti War Movements who will never march in opposition of The Sovie...opps...forgot..., well for now lets call them Mother Russia.  Fellow Travelers need to stay united eh? 





PanthersMom -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 3:52:50 PM)

oops!  is my conservatism showing?  **adjusts skirt**
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Thadius -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 3:56:24 PM)

Just a little, and I wasn't complainin' 




Politesub53 -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 3:57:59 PM)

Its hardly the same is it. American and British protesters were protesting against there own governments. On top of that the Russian action started and finished very quickly.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 4:03:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

One would think the Peace Crowd would be as against the Russian invasion of Georgia as they were against the US/Great Britain led coalition that invaded Iraq.

From the other thread about the invasion, it looks like people are still trying to figure out what the heck is going on over there, but for the most part ARE against it.  But acknowledging that would invalidate your trollness, and this thread.

~stef





Well that answered the question of why I was got that email.

To bad you find a provocative challenge to the so called "Anti War" Protesters trolling.

Conservatives have always labeled the organized Anti War Movement, Anti- America's Wars only.

Seems they were right all along.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 4:05:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Its hardly the same is it. American and British protesters were protesting against there own governments. On top of that the Russian action started and finished very quickly.


And the protesters marching in Bejing and Paris on the same days?




Thadius -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 4:20:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Its hardly the same is it. American and British protesters were protesting against there own governments. On top of that the Russian action started and finished very quickly.


Finished? http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/13/georgia.russia.war/index.html#cnnSTCVideo




stef -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 4:25:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Well that answered the question of why I was got that email.

Huh??  Why you was got what email?  Can you try that again with less ungoodly grammars so that the understandableness might be increasamated?

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To bad you find a provocative challenge to the so called "Anti War" Protesters trolling.

"Provocative challenge?"  That's rich.  Call it a ham on seedless rye if it makes you feel better, but that doesn't change what it is.

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Conservatives have always labeled the organized Anti War Movement, Anti- America's Wars only.

I'm hardly interested in how "Conservatives" choose to label things, but the fact that there are people publicly decrying Russia's actions tends to shoot your claims out of the sky.  With any luck, the ceasefire will be broken ourtight, full scale war will break out and you'll get your precious marches. 

O' frabjous day! Callooh Callay!

~stef




PanthersMom -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 4:28:34 PM)

"you stop touching me!" "no you stop touching me!"  "no you stop touching me!"
the same argument parents all over the world hear from the back seat during road trips.  sounds awfully familiar, russia wants georgia to pull back before they do and they won't because the georgians won't.  i thought these countries were governed by grown men, not five year olds!  my mistake!
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deterministic -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 5:07:45 PM)


What is hilarious in this case are the extremely clear parallels to Kosovo. Sometimes you almost have to believe in a higher power, in the way events appear that contrapoint each other so well.

I cannot condemn Russia for moving into Georgian land, and I would call a hypocrite anyone does (that includes everyone who has done so far, including Bush, Gordon Brown, the UN etc), simply because NATO, the US and the EU did the same to Serbia. Do you recall them pledging that fly-by sorties "will solely be conducted over disputed territory and to strike at armed forces, and go nowhere else"? Of course not. I can't think less of Russia for bombing infrastructure and power stations through _the entire Georgia_, and blacking out their capital either, because NATO did the exact same thing to Serbia. Serbia was going to oppress and depose in an armed way people within their own "soveregin" borders who were a) wanting autonomy and b) generally violent and trouble-making (do you think the KLA appeared from nowhere, with kind farmboys ready trained?), and they sought to do this in an extremely heavy-handed and at times genocidal way. I cannot see the Georgians taking a very different stance towards the South-Ossetians.

Russia is even in a strong position to demand or enforce the deposition of the Georgian president. Much like the West has demanded and enforced the capture or deposition of Serbian leaders, Russia can do the same. From a Russian stance, they are clearly war criminals.

And the audacity of NATO - to me, that was the dagger through the heart of anything that can, for all future time, be called "international law" - they BROKE INTERNATIONAL LAW by creating Kosovo. They broke the UN Charter, they broke treaties, and they broke the ultimate sovereignty of nations. The reason given was that "it would have been against the spirit of the law not to", which is a reason also known as inventing extrajudicial justifications. Russia can state the same thing, "we perceive it is against the natural order of the universe not to assimilate South-Ossetia", and the _moral_ weight in terms of lawbreaking and international treaties will not be any different from what the West has done.

Of course, the leftist position is as always to lie and play mind-games with words. In this case they are seeking to leverage the phenomenon of guilt and causality, by creating a causal association between _Iraq_ and Russia and hence accuring any negative moral weight of Russia's invasion to the causal lynchpin of Iraq. This is a liar's wordgame of which the Left is an extreme and often orgasmic fan. They conveniently (because with them, it's always about what is convenient) leave Kosovo out of their sentence structures when they invoke this.




celticlord2112 -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 6:11:49 PM)

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I thought War Protestors and The Peace Crowds were against all Wars of "aggression"? It seems they are pretty quick to the street and well organized when it is the United States that they have targeted but they are remarkably silent about the Russians?

That's because everybody knows Russia only engages in wars of "liberation".  The US only engages in wars of corporate greed and imperial domination.




kittinSol -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/13/2008 6:16:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Well that answered the question of why I was got that email.

Huh??  Why you was got what email?  Can you try that again with less ungoodly grammars so that the understandableness might be increasamated?

quote:

To bad you find a provocative challenge to the so called "Anti War" Protesters trolling.

"Provocative challenge?"  That's rich.  Call it a ham on seedless rye if it makes you feel better, but that doesn't change what it is.

quote:

Conservatives have always labeled the organized Anti War Movement, Anti- America's Wars only.

I'm hardly interested in how "Conservatives" choose to label things, but the fact that there are people publicly decrying Russia's actions tends to shoot your claims out of the sky.  With any luck, the ceasefire will be broken ourtight, full scale war will break out and you'll get your precious marches. 

O' frabjous day! Callooh Callay!

~stef



Oh, I love that.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/15/2008 4:19:16 PM)

Well...

Hear we are... It's been a week, Russia is ignoring a cease fire and still no Protests from the Anti-War/Peace Movement.





Thadius -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/15/2008 4:22:10 PM)

They are bound to spring up... especially now that there are going to be international peacekeepers sent in.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/15/2008 7:34:39 PM)

Still... Speaks volumns that Russia ivades and there is silence from that crowd.




Sanity -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/15/2008 8:47:21 PM)

More than silence - they're actually blaming Georgia, and the United States. Its like they're saying "If that ***** hadn't been dressing up so fine and steppin' out with that fellah from across the tracks she that never would have  happened, she never would have been raped like that. Serves her right, that'll teach the ****."





FatDomDaddy -> RE: Where are the War Protesters??? Why is Russia Getting a Pass??? (8/16/2008 9:33:27 AM)

It's been a good week for debunking.

First the Ideals of the IOC were debunked by thier sexist attitudes toward women, then showing the International Peace/Anti War Movement is nothing of the sort.

I wonder what is on store this week?

Hilary debunking the myth that Obama will be the Democrat Nominee???





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