Thadius
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No, what happened was the Left became hyper paranoid about Bush's popularity after the fantastic speeches he gave following the attacks on 9/11 and began attacking him relentlessly.
Millions and millions of people liberated became the most heinous crime imaginable, and so on.
I can honestly say I personally didn't like Bush until just after 9/11 where he did show very good leadership and charisma in a terrible situation that needed those qualities but that was soon lost and he lost the world support when he started his vengeance attacks in a place with no proven terrorists links. How do you argue against someone that says "show me the weapons we know you have from our records." That kind of stance was never going to lead to anything other than war and was just a token effort to legitimise it. If you are saying the end justifies the means then tell me why support in Iraq quickly turned to unpopularity when it set in just how much bad planning had been involved in what would come after the war?
The fact is the war was more important than the nation building exercise and to proclaim it as nation building is a tad disingenuous when nation building requires some kind of plan regarding restoring infrastructure and political institutions.
Ah, just a bunch of fun little tidbits here. No proven terrorist links? Saddam was paying bounties to the families of suicide bombers, well documented (do a search). You suggest Bush was the one pushing for Hussein to come clean, how about Clinton doing the same thing, oh and the UN. http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp (enjoy those wonderful quotes from those that are now accusing Bush of lying)
I know all of those reports and resolutions were bullshit, because there was nothing there, eh? http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918
If you have nothing to hide, why fuck around and play with inspections that you have already agreed to? Just out of curiousity, how much do you think could possibly have been moved out of country during the periods with no inspectors? I know not a reasonable assumption, because Bush was lying.
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Please enlighten me with where those lies came from... Are we talking about WMD here? In other words which lies are you referencing?
The 45 minute one rings a bell with me that and Colin Powell holding up his lethal samples in the UN presentation and going on to describe mobile weapons labs which no one had ever seen but looked a bit like camper vans according the artists impression of what a mobile weapons lab would look like if anyone had seen one. The lies are simple i.e. if you know a country has WMD then you know where to find it when you invade. mobile weapons labs were used as evidence to support the hard to find nature of these mysterious things.
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power"- Al Gore Sept. 23, 2002.
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical nad biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do." Henry Waxman Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -Hillary Clinton Oct 10, 2002
Just a few fun and friendly quotes, of course they made many of these same statements prior to Bush taking office, as Bill Clinton was dropping plenty of bombs and firing missiles for the exact same reasons..
Hope you enjoyed this little trip down memory lane.
Thadius
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