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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
Where did you get that idea?
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=24&Itemid=41

That's a link to one group against one war. Where are the Protests againts Russia.

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ORIGINAL: Thadius
I know all of those reports and resolutions were bullshit, because there was nothing there, eh? http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918

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The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.

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While that's reassuring, the agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said. "We're talking chemical agents here that could be packaged in a different format and have a great effect," he said, referencing the sarin-gas attack on a Japanese subway in the mid-1990s

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Though about 500 chemical weapons - the exact number has not been released publicly - have been found, Maples said he doesn't believe Iraq is a "WMD-free zone."

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Ahhhhhh...love good political discourse!
Of course us "leftists" usually do...lol
Russia was pressured heavily by other nations to cease their incursion and they did so pretty quickly, so organizing the protests movements I am sure was hindered by the quick "cease fire". Face it, ole' Georgie Boy has no credibility when it comes to talking about what other countries must do when it comes to war like activities. Hell, he has little credibility anytime he opens his mouth.As far as the mention of the French protesting....Who Cares?....As the world's foremost surrendering nation, to expect them to fight about or for anything aside from a good bottle of wine or where their next Brie is coming from is all false hope. We can however, be forever grateful to them for such wonderful things as Viet Nam, their unbelievably quick surrender to Hitler. What a country they are! Iraq was wrong...Georgie Boy sucks as a President, and if Russia decided to pursue a full blown war in Georgia the rest of the world couldn't stop them, least of all war protesters. Think Putin cares what others think? Do you think he is above being a slimmer Stalin? The man headed the KGB and is far more dangerous than Saddam and we could barely muster up the forces at this time to do much about him. One Man's opinion...not worth more than anyone elses not saying anyone is correct or incorrect strictly the ramblings of an observer.

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I can honestly say I personally didn't like Bush until just after 9/11 where he did show very good leadership and charisma in a terrible situation that needed those qualities but that was soon lost and he lost the world support when he started his vengeance attacks in a place with no proven terrorists links.

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How do you argue against someone that says "show me the weapons we know you have from our records." That kind of stance was never going to lead to anything other than war and was just a token effort to legitimise it. If you are saying the end justifies the means then tell me why support in Iraq quickly turned to unpopularity when it set in just how much bad planning had been involved in what would come after the war?

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The fact is the war was more important than the nation building exercise and to proclaim it as nation building is a tad disingenuous when nation building requires some kind of plan regarding restoring infrastructure and political institutions.

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ORIGINAL: Thadius
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power"- Al Gore Sept. 23, 2002.
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical nad biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."  Henry Waxman Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.  He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -Hillary Clinton Oct 10, 2002

Just a few fun and friendly quotes, of course they made many of these same statements prior to Bush taking office, as Bill Clinton was dropping plenty of bombs and firing missiles for the exact same reasons..

Hope you enjoyed this little trip down memory lane.
Thadius

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Vengeance attacks?  Isn't that what you should call them only if there were terrorist links there?

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"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power"- Al Gore Sept. 23, 2002.
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical nad biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."  Henry Waxman Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.  He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -Hillary Clinton Oct 10, 2002

Just a few fun and friendly quotes, of course they made many of these same statements prior to Bush taking office, as Bill Clinton was dropping plenty of bombs and firing missiles for the exact same reasons..

Hope you enjoyed this little trip down memory lane.
Thadius

Are you suggesting these Democrats should have gone to Iraq and looked around for themselves? They can only go by the information and intelligence being supplied to them and that is often tainted by political involvement in it.

We are all to familiar in the UK with the sexing up of the dossier for the case for war. They changed key words so that the independent report read completely differently. I’m not aware of this happening in the US but I can see how it easily could.

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We're pouring our national treasure into rebuilding Iraq - try and deny that. That claim just seems silly to me, like you're really just grasping at straws now.

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We're pouring our national treasure into rebuilding Iraq - try and deny that. That claim just seems silly to me, like you're really just grasping at straws now.

You have to speculate to accumulate just like the Marshall plan. I read today that France had to show American movies in exchange for aid after world war 2 that didn't really happen did it? I would find that so shameful an act if true: to deny a nation it's cultural heritage and force it to adopt and alien culture or fall behind it’s European counterparts in terms of development.