Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Obama's Foreign Donors


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Obama's Foreign Donors Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/14/2008 5:42:45 PM   
Alumbrado


Posts: 5560
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Do you have any illumination to bring to the points raised in her blog?

Are her facts in error? 

What refutations do you offer?



Her facts? That Obama forged his birth certificate?  



Your rhetoric and sources have been refuted repeatedly for a long time now, from your denial of Tuskegee, and your many debunked claims about Obama, Wright, and black people in general...and all you have ever offered up when backed into a corner is running away with a *chuckle*.

Don't think for a second that piling on more anile whining about your obsession entitles you to demand anything. 

You want to back up these fringies you keep parroting, it is up to you to provide evidence... that would mean accepting responsibility for what you are claiming... that whole 'mean what you say and say what you mean' thing...which of course, isn't your 'style' is it? 


(in reply to celticlord2112)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/14/2008 5:58:05 PM   
celticlord2112


Posts: 5732
Status: offline
That's a lot of words to just say "No."

_____________________________



(in reply to Alumbrado)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/14/2008 6:03:56 PM   
PuckSR


Posts: 2
Joined: 9/12/2004
Status: offline
I guess referencing an unbiased source like FactCheck would be pointless right now?

(in reply to NumberSix)
Profile   Post #: 23
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/14/2008 6:18:50 PM   
slvemike4u


Posts: 17896
Joined: 1/15/2008
From: United States
Status: offline
Amongst this crowd...in a word ...yup

_____________________________

If we want things to stay as they are,things will have to change...Tancredi from "the Leopard"

Forget Guns-----Ban the pools

Funny stuff....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNwFf991d-4


(in reply to PuckSR)
Profile   Post #: 24
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/14/2008 6:23:16 PM   
kittinSol


Posts: 16926
Status: offline
Hey !

_____________________________



(in reply to slvemike4u)
Profile   Post #: 25
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/14/2008 6:23:38 PM   
NumberSix


Posts: 1378
Joined: 12/30/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

That's a lot of words to just say "No."


He didn't say "No. "  He intimated that the comments in her blog are not facts, and since you have introduced them into 'evidence'  the burden of the proof of their veracity pretty much lies with you, and this is me talking now, you cant prove or disprove that Bozo the clown has a big nose.

It is OpEd, and poorly constructed at that, not worth a breath.

6  

_____________________________

"Who are you?"
"The new Number Two."
"Who is Number One?"
"You are Number Six.".
"I am not a number — I am a free man!"

Be seeing you...

(in reply to celticlord2112)
Profile   Post #: 26
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/14/2008 6:31:11 PM   
NumberSix


Posts: 1378
Joined: 12/30/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: PuckSR

I guess referencing an unbiased source like FactCheck would be pointless right now?


Puck; you mark my words, you will be forever relegated to some mid-sdummer nights dream if you semi-quote fact.

These arguments deal in off the shelf sophisms, and will not brook a fact.

Wm. Shakespeare

_____________________________

"Who are you?"
"The new Number Two."
"Who is Number One?"
"You are Number Six.".
"I am not a number — I am a free man!"

Be seeing you...

(in reply to PuckSR)
Profile   Post #: 27
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/14/2008 7:59:02 PM   
bipolarber


Posts: 2792
Joined: 9/25/2004
Status: offline
PuckSR,

I've tried using fact check.org here...  sorry, but honest websites don't carry much weight with people who are card carrying members of the "Bush Youth."

(in reply to NumberSix)
Profile   Post #: 28
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/14/2008 10:01:26 PM   
Thadius


Posts: 5091
Joined: 10/11/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

PuckSR,

I've tried using fact check.org here...  sorry, but honest websites don't carry much weight with people who are card carrying members of the "Bush Youth."


Uhm, are you being completely honest with that statement?  You have linked to factcheck 1 time, and I could probably count on one hand when you actually provide a link to stats or "facts" that you include in your posts...

I do appreciate yet another comparision to being part of the Nazi movement, impressively done.

_____________________________

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends." ~ Japanese Proverb

(in reply to bipolarber)
Profile   Post #: 29
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/14/2008 11:14:48 PM   
caitlyn


Posts: 3473
Joined: 12/22/2004
Status: offline
At least Senator Obama is able to bring some money in to the country for a change.

_____________________________

I wish I could buy back ...
the woman you stole.

(in reply to Thadius)
Profile   Post #: 30
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/14/2008 11:16:55 PM   
Owner59


Posts: 17033
Joined: 3/14/2006
From: Dirty Jersey
Status: offline
Just a few.

Great site,btw.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_a_maureen_dowd_column_cast_suspicion.html


That was a good one,caitlyn.

< Message edited by Owner59 -- 8/14/2008 11:18:29 PM >


_____________________________

"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals"

President Obama

(in reply to Thadius)
Profile   Post #: 31
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/15/2008 4:51:12 AM   
Alumbrado


Posts: 5560
Status: offline
Buuu...buuu...buuu...buuut CL's source has a space ship and an Asteroid Shield and a utopian island....well.... is going to have them...

Surely you aren't going to take some wild claim from factcheck.org over that are you?

(in reply to Owner59)
Profile   Post #: 32
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/15/2008 5:45:58 AM   
celticlord2112


Posts: 5732
Status: offline
you are welcome to offer up refutation if you have any to offer.

you are welcome to offer up reasoned discourse and debate if you have any to offer.

Have you any to offer?


_____________________________



(in reply to Alumbrado)
Profile   Post #: 33
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/15/2008 6:15:36 AM   
Thadius


Posts: 5091
Joined: 10/11/2005
Status: offline
I am not going to say that there is a bias to factcheck, because I believe that much of what they do is for the betterment of the country.  However, one must also remember the ties it has to certain folks, and weigh the information against that.  Factcheck is owned by the Annenberg Foundation, who has :
quote:


At its founding, the Annenberg Challenge was made up:
The Chicago School Reform Collaborative, co-chaired by William Ayers,
a Board of Directors initially recruited by the Collaborative, which was chaired from 1995 to 2000 by Barrak Obama, who was a practicing attorney at the time.


As many around here are apt to point out, sometimes you have to follow the money.  This DOESN"T mean that what they post is not accurate, it just means that I try to find a second source that agrees with them when it comes to do with certain people that were receiving money from them.  They have been pretty damn fair and on point in most of their posts.

_____________________________

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends." ~ Japanese Proverb

(in reply to celticlord2112)
Profile   Post #: 34
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/15/2008 7:18:12 AM   
OrionTheWolf


Posts: 7803
Joined: 10/11/2006
Status: offline
Works for both sides. I offered info from factcheck.org about Obama accepting money from friends and family of oil companies in another thread, and everyone just breezed past that as well. The ping pong ball goes between the left and the right.


quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

PuckSR,

I've tried using fact check.org here...  sorry, but honest websites don't carry much weight with people who are card carrying members of the "Bush Youth."


_____________________________

When speaking of slaves people always tend to ignore this definition "One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence."

(in reply to bipolarber)
Profile   Post #: 35
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/15/2008 7:42:31 AM   
celticlord2112


Posts: 5732
Status: offline
Interestingly enough, no one has spoken to the first paragraph of the article I linked in my OP:
quote:

I have been researching, documenting and studying thousands upon thousands of Obama's campaign donations for the past month. Egregious abuse was immediately evident and I published the results of my ongoing investigation. Each subsequent post built a more damning case against Obama's illegal contribution activity.

The author's assertion is that she has looked at primary materials detailing Obama's campaign contributions.

This statement can be either true or it can be false.  There is not a third alternative.

The author must either be telling the truth or she must be telling a lie.  There is not a third alternative.

Factcheck.org does not have, so far as I can determine, an article which addresses the particular issues raised by the author.  Nor does Snopes.com (which is generally quite useful for debunking urban legends).  At this time, those sites do not speak to these issues.

The $33,500 figure has been reported on Washington Wire, a blogging site by reporters of the Wall Street Journal.  The posting author there, Glenn R. Simpson, is verifiably an award-winning journalist for the Wall Street Journal.  Regardless of Ms Geller's "kookiness", the incident she details can be independently verified.

Her other Obama blog entries include scans of documents she presents as letters from the Federal Election Commission to the Obama campaign detailing various shortcomings in their contribution reporting, as well as the Obama campaigns responses.  If these letters are genuine, they document repeated requests by the FEC for information regarding contributions to the Obama campaign that appear to be in excess of statutory limits.  If these letters are not genuine, they are outright forgeries and the author is perpetrating a fraud by their dissemination.  These are primary source documents, on what is presented as FEC letterhead--as with her opening assertion, they are either true or false, real or genuine.  There is not a third alternative.

The Federal Election Commission's own web site shows Obama's campaign not having recorded employer information for most of the millions of contributions that have been received--keep in mind that by law once a person contributes more than $200 to a candidate during an election cycle, employer and other identifying information must be reported to the FEC.  Some of the "employers" listed in Obama's reports published online by the FEC read like street addresses--if those entries are in fact street addresses and not business names, that is an error in the report itself, even if the related contributions are themselves made legally.  Such "technical errors" in the reports themselves would raise a valid credibility question about the reports as a whole, and, were one to audit the reports along with the underlying accounting processes, the presence of such inaccuracies would be cause for a more thorough scrutiny of the supporting records and documentation--which the purported letters from the FEC to the Obama campaign which the author posts in her blog show taking place.

Regardless of the "kookiness" of the messenger, these are factual assertions.  They are either true or false.  Her primary materials are either legitimate or forgeries, making her blog either an honest report or a damned lie and vicious fraud.  It is one or the other.  There is no middle ground.

Is it a damned lie?


_____________________________



(in reply to Thadius)
Profile   Post #: 36
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/15/2008 8:43:10 AM   
Owner59


Posts: 17033
Joined: 3/14/2006
From: Dirty Jersey
Status: offline
 
This guys denies the Tuskegee experiments?!?!!

I missed that fun time.....I`ll have to read back.

Now, it all makes sence.

_____________________________

"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals"

President Obama

(in reply to celticlord2112)
Profile   Post #: 37
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/15/2008 9:00:41 AM   
philosophy


Posts: 5284
Joined: 2/15/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

The author's assertion is that she has looked at primary materials detailing Obama's campaign contributions.

This statement can be either true or it can be false.  There is not a third alternative.

The author must either be telling the truth or she must be telling a lie.  There is not a third alternative.



.....piss poor logic CL. There is a third alternative. The author may have partially done the research. They may have researched some areas thoroughly and some less so.
Life is not digital, as you seem to imply, it is analogue.

(in reply to celticlord2112)
Profile   Post #: 38
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/15/2008 9:12:26 AM   
celticlord2112


Posts: 5732
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59


This guys denies the Tuskegee experiments?!?!!

I missed that fun time.....I`ll have to read back.

Now, it all makes sence.

Please do read back. I hope you do read back. I encourage you to read back.

_____________________________



(in reply to Owner59)
Profile   Post #: 39
RE: Obama's Foreign Donors - 8/15/2008 9:22:00 AM   
celticlord2112


Posts: 5732
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

The author's assertion is that she has looked at primary materials detailing Obama's campaign contributions.

This statement can be either true or it can be false. There is not a third alternative.

The author must either be telling the truth or she must be telling a lie. There is not a third alternative.



.....piss poor logic CL. There is a third alternative. The author may have partially done the research. They may have researched some areas thoroughly and some less so.
Life is not digital, as you seem to imply, it is analogue.

Very sound logic. She has either looked at the material or she has not. The research was done or it was not. The quality of that research might be variable, the conclusions may or may not be valid, and the results of the research are subject to challenge, but whether the research was done can only be either/or.

A fact is either true or false. An assertion of fact is either true or false. There is not a third option.


_____________________________



(in reply to philosophy)
Profile   Post #: 40
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Obama's Foreign Donors Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094