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DomDolf -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/14/2008 4:36:17 PM)

I think people put it out there for one of two reasons.

1. They have experience and want to tell you the safe way and not feel bad if you ignore it.
2. They have ZERO experience and only spout the usual because that's all they know.

Some of us don't offer much in the way of advice in this area. I pretty much know one of the other two groups will take care of those asking.

When dealing with people in RT that ask this others will often say to meet in a public place and go with your gut from there.
Dolf




GreedyTop -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/14/2008 4:37:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR ACTIONS!


YOU CAN'T MAKE ME!!!!

CAN'T CAN'T CAN'T CAN'T!!!!

Phhhhhbbbbbtttt!

--------------------

Hee hee hee.


smartass ;)




CalifChick -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/14/2008 4:41:36 PM)

The people I throw the "safe rules" at are the ones that aren't listening to their own instincts... those situations that when you say it out loud, it just sounds not right in some way.

For instance, if all she knows is his first name because "he's such a private person"... no phone number, no address, no picture, no last name, nada... yet he has all the info on her and he's arranged the first meet at her home.  That just sounds hinky, and it's that sort of situation that would make me say, "arrange a safe call", because if I thought she was listening to that little voice in her head, I didn't think she would be agreeing to the meet.


Cali





kyraofMists -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/14/2008 5:18:21 PM)

Awww, hell... I guess our relationship is one of the 'failed' ones as well.

We interacted online and via phone for six months before meeting.  Our first meeting was at the airport where I flew from another country.  He knew where I was going to stay and in fact picked it.  We drove to the hotel in his vehicle and if it wasn't for his desire to do things differently, we would have had sex within minutes of getting into the room.

He spent the night almost every night I was there.  We played several times during that first week and I carried scars for almost two years from our first night together. 

Now after more than three years, our 'failure' has been taken to another notch; I became a permanent resident of their country and moved in eight months ago.  The amount of drama and issues in our house is pitifully small.  If only I had listened to all those who tried to deter me, I would have been considerably less fulfilled.  *g*

Honestly, both of us used good common sense in making the decisions that resulted in our relationship starting.  We didn't make decisions without some serious evaluation of the consequences of the steps ahead of us.  We were not seeking instant gratification or trying to fill some void within ourselves.  We did what was right for us and for the situation we were in.  The same steps may not work for others and people have to find what works best for them.

Knight's Kyra 




KnightofMists -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/14/2008 5:34:39 PM)

I will like to add a few comments to what Kyra has already contributed.

I did require Kyra to take steps of having a safe call and did some preparations to protect herself.  In fact, she had to do little research of what so many recommend and then take some steps to actually followed the advice. 

I suppose that all sounds very responsible for so many people... but actually my motivation had nothing to do to ensure she was safe... I already knew that she would be safe in my hands... what I needed was her to feel safe when she traveled all that way.  She was scared shitless as it was when she did come... and in some very small measure the safety protocals she took help her when she traveled to me.  But honestly... all those protocals went out the window the moment I touched her.  She was mine at that moment.. she could of at that moment choose to take a taxi to the hotel or even end things right then and there.  We went and sat for a few minutes at a coffee shop then I took her to the Hotel.  She was right.. the only reason we didn't have sex when we first arrived at the Hotel was because of me.  She was HOT and Wet... I could smell her she was sooo wanting.... It was fantastic and it was very very difficult to resist.  But I had a plan... and no slut was going to divert me from what I wanted to achieve.  I made her wait..  In fact... by the time I did take her she was beginning to worry that I wasn't going to.    When I took her phyiscally she was exactly where I wanted her... mentally and physically........ it was a very very long night........ and to this day.... I don't believe we have had a time that compares... it was very magical for both of us. 




NeedingMore220 -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/14/2008 6:20:15 PM)

OMG, is it just me or is it incredibly hot in here??  Kyra, you lucky girl you.  [;)]




NeedingMore220 -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/14/2008 6:26:40 PM)

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I was also interested on peoples general thoughts on the subject of not playing by the seemingly 'safe code'.


It never really made sense to me - having a safe code.  In general I've met men in public places and not played on the first date.  There was one during which we played on the first date - that relationship lasted for awhile and didn't end because I didn't use a safety code.  I've found relying on my instinct works better than any list of rules that I'm supposed to be following.


Edited for horrendous spelling ...




KnightofMists -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/14/2008 6:29:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

The people I throw the "safe rules" at are the ones that aren't listening to their own instincts... those situations that when you say it out loud, it just sounds not right in some way.



I think some people just have Horrible instincts!  and very little common sense....  It doesn't take long to see those individuals hanging around here on the boards from time to time.




StormsSlave -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/14/2008 8:04:22 PM)

F. Definitely a fail. Not only did I violate every safety rule, he enticed me to violate every PERSONAL rule.

1. I went to his house without telling anyone where I was going or who I was with on the very first night I met him.

2. He lured me to his lair with whiskey, and so I was drinking with someone I didn't know and didn't know if I could trust.

3. He was not only someone I worked with (personal rule), he reported directly to me (company policy.)

4. He took me from another man (personal rule) and started predicting my actions with unerring accuracy (no rule, just irritating.)

5. There were no negotiations or discussions. We didn't talk about limits, or safe words, or what we were into. He did things to me he wanted to do, I submitted with excited caution, and we discussed it after the fact.

I had no idea what to think when he started exploring my submissive side. I kept thinking I should make him stop abusing me in bed, but it just felt so damn good! Also, he treated me like the most special person in the world in and out of bed, and that hasn't changed.

Nearly two years later, we are exploring BDSM in enclosed spaces and a tiny bed, and succeeding beautifully. :D

Loving My Lord is the first time in my entire adult life that I ever threw caution to the wind and followed my instincts. I tend not to participate too heavily in the "be safe" advice giving because I hate being a hypocrite, and being completely, insanely impetuous was the best thing I ever did.




oblige -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/14/2008 9:07:18 PM)

Dark, and others here: If I could bottle and sell the intuition/ skills/ intelligence/ common sense/ what ever which has made me have always positive experiences with fellow humans, I would be rich and invite all of you to my mansion to party.

I suspect some people who post here about meetings or relationships gone bad are missing something. I just have never figured out what exactly. Maybe it is the personal responsibiltiy piece.

I also liked the post from restlessdreamer. Life and relationships offer many choices. For some, adhereing to some basic safety is a good plan, especially if they tend to have a history of stepping off the curb into oncoming traffic. Lack of consciousness and alck of being in the present seem to me to be one root of many challenges for many people.

Even though I have had a share of difficulties or mistakes in past relationships, I  prefer being open to the present moment and all it's possibilities. Fear can either stop me, as it should when genuine risks are apparent, or it can move me forward into exactly the perfect thing, as long as I am present with all my discernment skills. 

I am so grateful to the many wize members of collarme and the many succesful relationships I have the priveledge of witnessing here. I am having a new successful D/s relatiunship right now. Even if we decide to not continue after some time, I will know it was a great learning expereince.  It always takes two (or more if poly) to create success, or lack of it.  Be well all, ~oblige~








slaveluci -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/14/2008 9:42:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
I met Darcy on the net.  We knew zero about each other apart from that we had one common interest.  Now, being 8 hours away from each other doesn’t exactly make it easy to get to know each other on a one to one basis or even confirm what each other was telling each other was true.  But we both had to trust and have faith that there were no lies being presented.
 
Now as some people know, I was married.  I still am pending divorce going through.  Was it worth lying about when I met Darcy?  Nope.  Yes I could have risked not being with him had he different ethics to me.  But I had to take that leap of faith.  Or face the consequences.
 
So after a few weeks we decided to meet up.  It took some time to arrange because our diaries clashed, but we did meet up and decided it would be cool to attend a fetish event together.
 
We did meet in public - well the station anyway.  We arranged the whole stay over would be together and that if we were not to feel obliged to be anything but friends.  Before we met, we never cybered, never had phone sex or any of the generic online things people seem to get involved with.  Just to note, I don’t find any of these acts inherently wrong, bad or stupid.  It just wasn’t appropriate for our relationship.
 
And within an hour (that is a guess because I wasn’t clock watching) we were playing.  There was no standard protocol, no safe-set ups.  I cannot and would not claim to speak for Darcy, but I certainly was aware of my actions and responsibility to myself and I was ready to accept the consequences should it of all been a terrible mistake.
 
We fluid bonded.  We played.  We have never used a safeword – not even from the very start.  We didn’t really have any kind of safety net set up.  We did everything ‘wrong’.  We did everything that people suggest you should not do.
 
The funny thing is, I would say that 90% of the people we know that have done the same as us, are in solid long-term relationships.  I know we are - living together, sharing our world with each other and the people around us.
So what does that say about all this great advice we throw out at people?  Fuck all, quite frankly.
 

If you changed just a couple details of your story, it would be ours.  We met here on CM as total strangers.  We lived 13 hours away from each other and spent 6 weeks getting to know each other via internet and phone before I drove to AR to meet Him and spend a week with Him.  I was also married (but separated for quite a bit at the time).  We did not meet in public the first time.  We met at the hotel where we were going to spend the following week together.

We "played" and had sex (fluid bonded, as you say) that first night and every night thereafter for the week.  No standard protocol, no safe calls, no safe words.....none of that usual advice was taken at all.  We have often laughed that if our friends had told us they were going to do what we did, we would have told them to pull their heads out of their asses and think.  Meeting someone on the internet from states away, driving to spend the week with them sight unseen so to speak?  How foolish[8|].  That is what I would have told any friend but I didn't follow that "good" advice myself.  What do we have to show for it?  Just slightly over 2 years of love and bliss and wonderful marriage, that's all[:)]................luci




Owner4SexSlave -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/15/2008 12:46:47 AM)

DarcyandtheDark,

Thank you for very much for this post.   I'm pretty certain I'm not alone on this one, but I've been burned twice (2 times) from elaborate game players (Liars) from this website.  I'm not going into the details here, anyways I've have become more guarded at times as the result of it.

There comes time when playing it safe... well, just fucks with the natural flow of things.  Risks Risks Risks.  They are everywhere in every aspect of our day to day lives.

I found myself chatting with a friend tonight, I was making jokes about covering myself in Gasoline, lighting a match and seeing what happens (Please this is a figurative expression, not a literal one).  This is my way of making a joke about knowing what the risks are.

The thing is this, that things happen.  Moment occur in our lives where we are presenting with a perfectly good opportunity.  At least what we precieve is a good thing.   Now, the moment comes, to make the leap of faith or not.




RCdc -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/15/2008 2:27:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Even a cake doesn't have the same ingredients, even if you follow it to the letter.  Time of day, humidity, water tempreture - even the egg itself - are never the same.  Even a packet mix would be completely different from one to another.  As a cook, it is generally accepted that you should never cook the same recipe and expect it to be the same each time - you have to notice the subtle changes in each procedure, otherwise it is totaly doomed to fail.  Luck doesn't come into it - skill does.
 
I am not entirely sure if we are phrasing shit differently or not though, but thanks for clarifying.

 
the.dark.


Well, see, yes.  I can do the exact same things, but it turns out differently.  I can follow the same set of "rules" for meeting people and sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

It depends on more factors that just what *I* do.  At least for the original meeting, and finding someone you click with.

Once you've met them, and decided that there's something, then it's down to hard work and elbow grease.

Was that what you were meaning?


In a sense - I guess my 'issue' with the cake is that people do believe that the same recipe each time might make the same result and seem surprised when it doesn;t turn out the same.  My point is, no matter how much you think you are doing the same, you never are - you think you are but really, that is just fooling yourself.  Because the only time everything can be the same and exact is if it is under controlled scientific experimientation - and even scientists know that is subject to fluctuation.  In other words, don't believe that just because you think you are creating the same and are creating the same, it never, ever is.  Don't repeat because you won't get the exact same results because each moment is different just like each relationship.
 
Hope that was clearer.
 
the.dark.




RCdc -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/15/2008 2:37:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

You so rock... [;)]


Feelings mutual!

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Same here. 

Starting to feel like a pattern is forming?  [;)]


A bit.[:D]
 
Thanks for the input Treasure - regards to you and Firm as always.  I love to hear experiences like yours because they show that people do have the ability to trust themselves and so many posts indicate and talk about peoples lack of self trust and love.
 
the.dark.




RCdc -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/15/2008 2:44:16 AM)

Personally, if I had to point someone to a good post on just how possible a relationship can be achieved, it would be to one of yours beth. I'm really thankful you posted.
 
the.dark.




RCdc -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/15/2008 2:51:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

The people I throw the "safe rules" at are the ones that aren't listening to their own instincts... those situations that when you say it out loud, it just sounds not right in some way.

For instance, if all she knows is his first name because "he's such a private person"... no phone number, no address, no picture, no last name, nada... yet he has all the info on her and he's arranged the first meet at her home.  That just sounds hinky, and it's that sort of situation that would make me say, "arrange a safe call", because if I thought she was listening to that little voice in her head, I didn't think she would be agreeing to the meet.


Cali


Whilst I get where you are coming from Cali, my only thought on this would be why are you(generic) advise a safe call and not simply say - thats fucked up or hinky and adivse against meeting at all?
If a friend of mine or someone came on here and was going to meet someone with all the criteria you just set out - I wouldn't be advising a safe call, I would say that I wouldn't personally meet them so I would adivse the same for you.  No safe call in the world can assist someone in that instance.
 
the.dark.




RCdc -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/15/2008 2:55:03 AM)

This is Darcy

I’ve been reading this thread with great interest (not least because I’m personally involved with the beautiful creature who started it [:D]) and would like to add some of my own thoughts.

I very much advocate listening to and trusting one’s instincts, and more often than not (a lot more often in my case) this involves ‘breaking the rules’ and just trusting that my judgment is correct.

This was the case when the.dark. and I first met. At the time I too was still married, although very much separated, as there had been a long and protracted period of drifting apart, so the last thing I wanted or needed was to become involved in a complicated or demanding relationship. However, the.dark. and I had bonded deeply over the course of several months, beginning with just (electronic) letters at first, and then progressing to MSN and finally to actually speaking with each other.

Those early contacts were electrifying, full of discovery, awe, excitement at having found somebody who spoke to me on a level that I had never experienced before, and with whom I was finally able to be myself, rather than hide certain aspects of myself behind various masks and barriers, as I had done in every other relationship up until this point.

It was also my ‘coming out’ into the world of BDSM as well, and the fact that we chose Kinkfest to be our first meeting was perfect on so many levels. In retrospect it become apparent that I have always been interested in the D/s dynamic that the.dark. and I now deeply and successfully share, and that my Dominant personality has always been there, but that I just hadn’t identified it as such.

So, as the.dark. has already shared, we met, we broke all the rules (me particularly, as I had effectively gone off the radar as far as everybody else that I knew was concerned – the only person who even knew where I was, never mind who with or what I was doing, was the.dark. but luckily she turned out not to be a psychopathic, dangerous, sadistic monster (except when I ask her to be, of course [;)])) and two years later here we are, finally living together, sharing our lives, our interests, our plans for the future (and yes, our fluids on a regular basis [:D]).

It hasn’t always been an easy ride, and that’ll be the subject of another post one of these days to encourage those going through what we have been through not to give up when things go wrong, when life’s obstacles seem insurmountable, or when it all seems too big an undertaking to actually work out in the end.

For now, though, I am blessed and happy that one chance encounter on the ‘net has made me the happiest man I’ve ever been, one who is free from having to wear masks (except when I choose to these days), and who is 100% true to what it is that makes me who I am, the good, the bad and the ugly.




ExSteelAgain -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/15/2008 2:58:04 AM)

Since the advent of the internet and this way of meeting people, I’ve met my share over the years and always played within the proverbial first 5 minutes. All shades of relationships developed from these meetings, but no one left mad or hurt. I can only remember one woman using a safe call thing and that was really kind of silly. The same woman also told me she brought a gun with her in her handbag. I didn’t see it, but I have no reason to doubt her. Interestingly enough, we ended up playmates for years and she was probably the most untrusting person I met.

The reason ALL my meetings went well is that we “talked” a lot before we met. We knew what the other was like and what we wanted. I say we talked a lot, but it was not always a matter of months. Some times it was only a few days.

It is always different how long it takes to get to know someone, but once it happens, you can feel pretty comfortable about what you are doing. Of course it could be that during the getting to know each other period you will feel things are not right and avoid the bad meeting.




softness -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/15/2008 3:02:08 AM)

*hugs both Darcy and dark*

very happy for both that it turned out so well for you,

but dark .. if you post a thread with anything even hinting at exam results next Thursday (GCSE day) .. I will not be held responsible for the harm that I do you
(like really bad harm, chipping your nails and trimming your fringe at a wonky angle ... crazy shit like that)

~returns to her teacher bashing media-free bubble ... and continues to fret over whether *any* of her kids actually passed anything~




RCdc -> RE: .A,B,C,D,E or Fail. (8/15/2008 3:06:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: softness

*hugs both Darcy and dark*

very happy for both that it turned out so well for you,

but dark .. if you post a thread with anything even hinting at exam results next Thursday (GCSE day) .. I will not be held responsible for the harm that I do you
(like really bad harm, chipping your nails and trimming your fringe at a wonky angle ... crazy shit like that)

~returns to her teacher bashing media-free bubble ... and continues to fret over whether *any* of her kids actually passed anything~


Oh good god, not the wonky fringe - ANYTHING but the wonky fringe.........
 
the.dark.




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