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Alumbrado -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 4:12:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks Everything I say is. To add: I'm one of them thar factinista's. Still waiting to see the 'facts' behind your claim that the whole world saw the Chicago 7 bound in gagged in front of our Supreme Court...

RealityLicks -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 4:17:49 PM)
Pah. Details, details. It would be more salient to ask why Bush withdrew from the arms limitation treaty, allowing him to spend your hard-earned taxes on his friends' useless missile defence systems.

slvemike4u -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 4:54:14 PM)
Your obvious prejudice and your juandiced venom sort of disqualify you from rational discussion,do they not.Total disregard of "facts"sort of lies in conflict with declaring yourself to be a "factinista",does it not. But continue spouting the "party"line all you like,we have started a sort of parlor game here...we call it who can post quicker refuting your obvious factual errors...I myself am down a point or two so I look forward to your next post...

RealityLicks -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 5:07:07 PM)
Oh, how wounded I am! The only thing worse than being talked about... "Factinista" is a term devised by Stephen Colbert. It's satire, Mike. If you really think its relevant that the Chicago Seven were tried by a grand jury and not the supreme court, have a ball - this board will provide much fuel for your hypertension. But when you finally move past personalities and tackle the issues, it might be interesting to read you again.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 5:09:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks It would be more salient to ask why Bush withdrew from the arms limitation treaty, allowing him to spend your hard-earned taxes on his friends' useless missile defence systems. If it's so useless, why is Russia so scared of it?

slvemike4u -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 5:13:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks Pah. Details, details. It would be more salient to ask why Bush withdrew from the arms limitation treaty, allowing him to spend your hard-earned taxes on his friends' useless missile defence systems. Yes this is the way to have a sucessful conversation ,keep away from "details"(and facts) and switch and bait the conversation at your convienence...nope it doesn't work that way...please I asked you earlier why are the Russians limiting western journalist free and unfettered acess to areas of occupied Georgia...would you care to venture an opinion...no need of facts..just opinion.

slvemike4u -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 5:16:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks Oh, how wounded I am! The only thing worse than being talked about... "Factinista" is a term devised by Stephen Colbert. It's satire, Mike. If you really think its relevant that the Chicago Seven were tried by a grand jury and not the supreme court, have a ball - this board will provide much fuel for your hypertension. But when you finally move past personalities and tackle the issues, it might be interesting to read you again. Reality I have decided to treat all your post's on this subject as satire...so no worries

RealityLicks -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 5:17:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 If it's so useless, why is Russia so scared of it? Its useless at hitting missiles but launches them to ground targets well enough.

RealityLicks -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 5:19:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Reality I have decided to treat all your post's on this subject as satire...so no worries These comments say more about you than me, you fill your boots, son.

slvemike4u -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 5:22:48 PM)
My boots are fine Reality,and unless you know something I don't,I'm not your son!!!!

Alumbrado -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 5:24:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks Oh, how wounded I am! The only thing worse than being talked about... "Factinista" is a term devised by Stephen Colbert. It's satire, Mike. If you really think its relevant that the Chicago Seven were tried by a grand jury and not the supreme court, have a ball - this board will provide much fuel for your hypertension. But when you finally move past personalities and tackle the issues, it might be interesting to read you again. What is relevant is that you don't have a clue that the Chicago 7 were tried by a district court...not the Supreme Court, and not a grand jury... and that all charges against them were dismissed at some point, so nothing ever made it to the Supreme Court, and that you don't know that the US Supreme Court hears appeal, and thus doesn't have defendants sitting in front of them bound, gagged or otherwise.... and that you feel free to trumpet your ignorance of important events with hyperbole such as 'the whole world watched'.... And especially relevant given that you then feel competent to apply the same lack of knowledge or regard for reality to making light of the suffering of others.

RealityLicks -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 5:26:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u you know something I don't!!!! Now, that is true.

slvemike4u -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 5:32:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u you know something I don't!!!! Now, that is true. See satire...not reality!!!!

meatcleaver -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 9:43:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver Don't you listen to the news or read the newspapers or is the American media so biased? The BBC, German TV news, Dutch TV news and Belgian TV news all reported the war started with a brutal Georgian attack, I repeat, brutal attack (none English language news used similar descriptions) on south Ossetia with the killing of many Russian civilians. If Canadians were killing US citizens in Canada, I'm sure you wouldn't say protecting them is beyond US juridiction. There is not a country on this planet that wouldn't step in on the side of its cittizens in a similar situation if they had the ability. The US certainly would have. Actually, the news source I have been using for most of my understanding of events in the Caucusus is the BBC Online. BBC TV World News described the cause of the war as a brutal attack by Georgia on South Ossetia costing many Russian lives. In fact the BBC had a reporter in South Ossetia yesterday (not the only European network with one there) reporting on the aftermath and murders by the Georgians. Yes, there has been criminal reprisals by para-militaries in Georgia itself but we are taling about who started the war and Russia's right to respond.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/19/2008 10:37:13 PM)
quote: Yes, there has been criminal reprisals by para-militaries in Georgia itself but we are taling about who started the war and Russia's right to respond. And BBC Online is not nearly as quick to condemn Georgia as are you.

slvemike4u -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/20/2008 5:07:40 AM)
CL please do not try to inject any more piddling details into the conversation,they annoy some and get in the way of the rhetoric

Yorkshiredom68 -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/20/2008 5:09:28 AM)
oh dear national pride gets ruffled and it becomes a slanging match... WW2 was won by 3 major allies and the contributions of several other nations-simple. Impetus and motivation to win undoubtedly came from WSC and FDR and the threats of Stalin. However do not underlook the value of superior intelligence organisations and to this end I'm afraid its mainly down to the UK -SOE, MI6, Bletchley Park and the breaking of the Enigma Codes which was mainly a Polish and British achievement. The US was the engine to victory-you provided the industrial means of achieving victory, the UK provided intellect, the Soviets provided the muscle. (and the French provided some cheese) [;)]

slvemike4u -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/20/2008 5:11:39 AM)
Well you sure tied that up in a nice bow...p.s. thank the french for the cheese....mike

Yorkshiredom68 -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/20/2008 5:18:55 AM)
as to Georgia-clearly the Georgians were manipulated into moving forcefully into South Ossetia by a Russian backed seperatist movement. The Georgians moved elements of their army into their own territory and Russia then uses this as an excuse to move into Georgia -conveniently also securing a pipeline. Russia knows the Western European countries can do little-Germany has massively reduced its armed forces, Frances are undergoing a reorganisation, Belguims are a standing joke, Netherlands are professional but small, Italy is also reorganising and again don't like to move from protected zones so yet again the only ones that can do anything are UK (already overstretched to the extend that Navy reserves are sent to do landlubber force protection tasks!), Poland and former WarPac countries (who are having to spend a lot to reach western standards) and our atlantic bretheren....so in other words Russia 1, NATO 0. We can only sit by and watch-we have screwed ourselves and when you've done that all thats left is either gripe and have a go at eachother-which a lot of you are doing-or sit back and think how something more positive could be done-like Cameron (UK Conservative) is trying to do... So whats my answer? Increase Western defence spending and station strong forces in potential flashpoints to deter potential Russian aggression. Never be led by the bear-do the leading and keep him chained.

Alumbrado -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/20/2008 5:31:18 AM)
China has a nice shiny new military..if they want to be seen as a Twue Superpower, shouldn't they be swooping in to set those pesky Russians straight?[;)]

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