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Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BDSM p... - 8/16/2008 8:13:46 AM   
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Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BDSM play?

Is it just me or are other Doms/subs tired of the artificially coy attitude some people seem to have to show they don't want what they really want?

It's hard to describe, but, I'll try by explaining what happened last night. I had placed a CL ad earlier in the week for a submissive woman or lovingly kinky cuckold couple to play with on Friday night, and, after weeding out the inevitable spam and wanna-be gay guys, I visited someone who said they'd be very interested, this, after almost a dozen emails back and forth clarifying what I'd do.

Basically, I said I wanted no fuss, her to obey, and me to use the toys we had previously agreed upon on her. Well, in the end, we had a grand time, but, for the first two hours, she kept playing coy all of a sudden (she wasn't that way in the emails at all). I came to like her, but, this artificially coy you-can't-have-me-come-and-get-me-no-no-don't-do-that-why-did-you-stop stuff was starting to irk me, mostly as I was thinking about it on my way home during the inevitable "was-that-worth-the-effort" all guys I know seem to do on the way home from any "date".

Anyway, the date was fine, and, I doubt she would even notice the "feelings" I'm trying to understand more about here, but, the basic question is ... is it just me or are other totally fed up with the artificially you-can't-have-me but why-did-you-stop attitude of some players? (Hope my question isn't too muddied, as it would be great to hear YOUR perspective on playing hard to get for not good reason (as far as I can tell).)
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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 8:18:06 AM   
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When someone starts acting that way, I lose interest quickly. Especially if its obviously an act to be cute after very involved emails and the like.
I dont care for it, and I dont find it charming or arousing. I find it a coplete turnoff and a test of sorts to see if I will chase. My response... no I wont.

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 8:20:26 AM   
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I can't stand that kind of behaviour.  I won't even continue the scene when the coyness factor emerges.

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 9:36:33 AM   
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What would you think if that same women said that you were some kind of freak into hurting her when she clearly said she wasn't into pain?

It's called roleplaying.  It's not 'coy' or 'cute' or 'artificial'.   Its definitely a kind of kinky BDSM play.   Lots of men and women like it.  If you don't like, make sure to tell people that before you meet them.

But don't hit on a sub that clearly has roleplay in his/her profile then complain about how they are doing this.

And definitely stop insulting the way other people clearly like to play.

Maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe you checked their profile and discussed what you liked and what you don't like before hand.  But it doesn't sound like it.  Honestly, I've never hit someone that doesn't say before hand they liked pain.  So you'll have to figure out yourself how the clear miscommunication developed in your bdsm and how you suddenly found yourself doing a kind of play that you don't like.

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 9:48:10 AM   
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I dunno, Strong - from the OP it sounds like he was clear.

meeting someone for sex after emailing a dozen times really doesn't give you a clue what they are or could be like in person.  You may tell the woman you expect her to obey, no fuss, etc., but the reality of it may be that the women who really are into submitting to a stranger are few and far between.  It could be she realized she didn't feel safe with someone who was basically a stranger.  Or it could be that she gets off on being pursued.  In being pursued, she 'gives in' rather than 'puts out'. 

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 10:46:22 AM   
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quote:

 was starting to irk me, mostly as I was thinking about it on my way home during the inevitable "was-that-worth-the-effort" all guys I know seem to do on the way home from any "date". 


I’d think you would ask this question during play, not after.  It seems obvious that you put up with the annoyance for a reason---something (gee, lemme guess………sex?)  that you wanted and decided to get at any cost.  Rather than blame her, perhaps you need to take a look at your own reluctance to take charge, even if that meant you walked away without whatever ‘reward’ you were seeking. 

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 11:33:35 AM   
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I've seen people do this when they were simply shy and didn't know how to act.  It was and is much easier to say what you think and be 'out there' behind a keyboard and monitor.  In person, they can clam up and humor/giggles/coy maybe, are a way to try and deal with it until they are more comfortable.

In a way this reminds me of the 'She said no, but she really meant yes'.  If that were the case, I wouldn't play and send a clear message.  I would leave room for no error in interpretation. 

But then there were times when I let a man know he was going to work for it because after some thing that set off a red flag of... that... 'he just wants to use me', I got turned off by him and made him work for it and that typically meant, he didn't get any that night and most likely never did.  Was I playing games?  Maybe... but I never promised a rose garden and he shouldn't have expected an easy peice if he wasn't willing to put a lil out there.

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 11:50:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pompeii

Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BDSM play?

Is it just me or are other Doms/subs tired of the artificially coy attitude some people seem to have to show they don't want what they really want?

It's hard to describe, but, I'll try by explaining what happened last night. I had placed a CL ad earlier in the week for a submissive woman or lovingly kinky cuckold couple to play with on Friday night, and, after weeding out the inevitable spam and wanna-be gay guys, I visited someone who said they'd be very interested, this, after almost a dozen emails back and forth clarifying what I'd do.

Basically, I said I wanted no fuss, her to obey, and me to use the toys we had previously agreed upon on her. Well, in the end, we had a grand time, but, for the first two hours, she kept playing coy all of a sudden (she wasn't that way in the emails at all). I came to like her, but, this artificially coy you-can't-have-me-come-and-get-me-no-no-don't-do-that-why-did-you-stop stuff was starting to irk me, mostly as I was thinking about it on my way home during the inevitable "was-that-worth-the-effort" all guys I know seem to do on the way home from any "date".

Anyway, the date was fine, and, I doubt she would even notice the "feelings" I'm trying to understand more about here, but, the basic question is ... is it just me or are other totally fed up with the artificially you-can't-have-me but why-did-you-stop attitude of some players? (Hope my question isn't too muddied, as it would be great to hear YOUR perspective on playing hard to get for not good reason (as far as I can tell).)



Basically, this kind of behavior ends an evening for me. If you tell me "no" or "stop" or "I know I -said- I did, but I don't want it after all", I'm not going to beg and plead and scrape and negotiate... until the person finally decides that xhe's "in the game" and going to let me do what we originally -agreed- we were going to do... I'm going to pack up my kit and head for the door -- "Oops... you didn't mean it? Oh, well.... sux to be you". Harsh? Maybe... but I never said I -wasn't- harsh.

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 12:06:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: catize

quote:

 was starting to irk me, mostly as I was thinking about it on my way home during the inevitable "was-that-worth-the-effort" all guys I know seem to do on the way home from any "date". 


I’d think you would ask this question during play, not after.  It seems obvious that you put up with the annoyance for a reason---something (gee, lemme guess………sex?)  that you wanted and decided to get at any cost.  Rather than blame her, perhaps you need to take a look at your own reluctance to take charge, even if that meant you walked away without whatever ‘reward’ you were seeking. 


what I got from the op was that the annoyance built over the course of the evening, and that it wasn't until AFTERWARDS, during the 'post game' review that he pinpointed what was bugging him.

and to answer the question: I'm with DV, Calla and others.. I'll call bullshit on that behavior and end the evening.

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 12:54:32 PM   
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So nobody above is into some force-play?  Or am I reading it wrong?


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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 1:01:14 PM   
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I love force play... but its usually discussed as a possiblity or probability beforehand..

what I got from the op was that they'd thoroughly discussed what was going to happen at the club.. then she did the hot-cold thing, with him not being prepared for that - based on their discussions.

I could be wrong.

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 1:10:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

I've seen people do this when they were simply shy and didn't know how to act.  It was and is much easier to say what you think and be 'out there' behind a keyboard and monitor.  In person, they can clam up and humor/giggles/coy maybe, are a way to try and deal with it until they are more comfortable.

In a way this reminds me of the 'She said no, but she really meant yes'.  If that were the case, I wouldn't play and send a clear message.  I would leave room for no error in interpretation. 

But then there were times when I let a man know he was going to work for it because after some thing that set off a red flag of... that... 'he just wants to use me', I got turned off by him and made him work for it and that typically meant, he didn't get any that night and most likely never did.  Was I playing games?  Maybe... but I never promised a rose garden and he shouldn't have expected an easy peice if he wasn't willing to put a lil out there.


But, isn't that game playing of a sort also, Lockit?  If you pick up on the idea that he just wants to use you early on, why not just make him aware that you are aware of it and don't appreciate it instead of playing a game that could turn dark quickly?

I don't like game-playing.  In those instances where what I was going to be engaged in with a woman, submissive or vanilla, was going to be casual I was upfront about what I wanted, including the sex.  After the disaster of the sexual arena in my marriage, I make that portion of it even more clear.  As the OP said though, there are many women who will speak openly and honestly about sexuality and everything else and then play coy.  Sometimes it is cute, when done properly, and I agree that it can be a game in and of itself.  Sometimes, it is just irksome and can come across as a further test of my desire for her...either to build her ego or to push me to see how far I will go.  When it comes across that way, I am done and I am not pleased.  Your game...rightly or wrongly...reminds me of the "cock-tease" games that certain girls played when I was younger.  It seemed a deliberate intent to stir everything within a man up and then, bring him down...whether as an ego-building exercise on their part or because of just the sort of behavior that you described...or at least the (sometimes wrong) perception of it.  Why not just clear the air in the latter case and why the necessity of it in the first case?

And before anyone jumps my case about guys playing games too...I know they do.  But that is not what this thread was addressing.

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 1:17:46 PM   
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Creative, I couldn't know exactly what was going on, so a number of things came to my mind.  Yes, I did play a game.  When I was being played with and manipulated, a couple times I decided to turn the game on them.  Most of the time I am very up front and say exactly what I mean, but with a certain type of player... you bet I am going to let him know how I feel about it, one way or another.  With some, you want to show the full impact of what it feels like to be manipulated and I did.  Some people just don't get when you tell them how you feel or what you think and don't get the message unless they actually feel what you are trying to say.  But I do have to admit, there were a few in life, that I simply wanted to play cat and mouse with because they were such an ass about playing me.  So I am not beyond playing a game... but most of the time, I refuse.

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 1:17:54 PM   
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I don't play hard to get and don't understand the mind set of those that do.
Reminds me of games played by teen age boys and girls.

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 1:22:12 PM   
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So nobody above is into some force-play?  Or am I reading it wrong?


Cali



Nope, I definitely don't do 'force play'. I make that -really- clear when I talk with someone. If you tell me "no" or "don't" or say "stop", that's it for me -- I stop what I'm doing, period. It's one reason I don't get hung up on the whole 'safeword' issue. I use 'safewords' -- No, Don't, Stop, 'fuck, no more!', "enough!"... whatever comes out of someone's mouth that says "Don't want to go -any- further.

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 1:23:45 PM   
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quote:

what I got from the op was that the annoyance built over the course of the evening, and that it wasn't until AFTERWARDS, during the 'post game' review that he pinpointed what was bugging him. 


Okay,, so he was annoyed but continued---again, he wasn’t annoyed enough to stop play but now wants to fault her. 

quote:

  and to answer the question: I'm with DV, Calla and others.. I'll call bullshit on that behavior and end the evening.

 
Isn’t that what I said in my previous post?

quote:

  perhaps you need to take a look at your own reluctance to take charge, even if that meant you walked away without whatever ‘reward’ you were seeking. 


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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 1:27:00 PM   
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The thing is we weren't there.  We don't know what she was actually doing.  I have had experiences where you just jump right in and go for it, but most of the time, I need a bit more than that.  If I agree to meet someone and play or be sexual, that doesn't mean that within fifteen minutes we are doing so.

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 1:35:22 PM   
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good afternoon all,

Can someone describe what "coyness" is or what "coy" means? I have never heard it before...

In any case it sounds like she was playing games and not doing what she agreed to do...in any case playing hard to get can be fun, but when it is very fake it, it does not come off as cute or fun. In any case...it sounds like she was saying "why did you stop" for whatever reason, that is really annoying specially if its repeated over and over...that is what I am getting out of the OP's post...

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 1:35:31 PM   
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Being a slave and having no choice in the matter, playing hard to get with Master (or whomever He chooses) simply is not an issue....  It would drive Him nuts and rightly so, unless of course that is how i was told to be lol!

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RE: Does artificially playing hard-to-get irk you in BD... - 8/16/2008 1:38:24 PM   
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