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TwilightShadows -> McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 6:14:07 AM)

This thought has been rolling aorund in my head all morning.  How is it that a Master with years of experience can expect to enslave a sub he has only just met?  It seems to me that this sort of short cut to slavery and ownership is reckless, dangerous, and totally irresponsible.  I'd like to hear others thoughts on this. 



chiaThePet -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 6:17:38 AM)

 
You're having breakfast at McDonalds aren't you?

Anywho, because they think they can.

And frankly some do.

The fault of that lies not only at the Dominants feet.

chia* (the pet)



TysGalilah -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 6:22:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TwilightShadows

This thought has been rolling aorund in my head all morning.  How is it that a Master with years of experience can expect to enslave a sub he has only just met?  It seems to me that this sort of short cut to slavery and ownership is reckless, dangerous, and totally irresponsible.  I'd like to hear others thoughts on this. 

 
....it McHappens all the time
 
sometimes everything just clicks and the connection is like that.
sometimes its just ego talking and ignorance McFlourishing..
 
I love the title of your thread btw  LOL
 



natasha66 -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 6:24:53 AM)

Not only is it reckless, dangerous, and irresponsible, at least to me, it's also IMPOSSIBLE.  Just my opinion....



Lashra -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 6:27:14 AM)

Perhaps its his ego at work more so than common sense? As a Dominant I don't expect to enslave anyone but the one that wears my collar around his neck. Anyone else is just another human being.

~Lashra



simpleplan2 -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 6:27:49 AM)

Damn!  and I was about to go and order a McBeating...with fries...hold the mayo.  I wonder if Pizza Hurt delivers???



urtoy -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 6:29:33 AM)

I think there has always been a tendency for relationships (whether M/s, D/s, or vanilla) to take place just because of the coincidence of two people being involved when the urge to form that particular type of bond. How many unfortunate marriages have you encountered that wouldn't have happened if the couple had not been involved with each other whenthe urge to settle down struck? The Internet merely offers the opportunity to speed up that process.
  My thought is that "instant" relationships are inherently flawed. While there may be an immediate and powerful chemistry between two people, this does not mean that there are sufficient shared goals, values,and desires from which to forge a lasting bond.
I may be old-fashioned in my belief that true compatibility is based more on friendship, respect, trust, and love, but I think it also holds true that a  master cannot instantly learn enough about a prospective slave in order to function either effectively or safely. Sadly, too many people want to rush something which can only develop over time.



DarkSteven -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 6:41:22 AM)

A collar represents a serious commitment.

If an experienced Dom takes advantage of an inexperienced submissive to "collar" her and then expect service from her... I'd say that that's just the sad part of human nature, masquerading as D/s.



TwilightShadows -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 6:41:25 AM)

Thank you everyone, thus far.  I didn't think I had lost my mind entirely.  It seems to me that kind of connection takes a long time to develop.  I recognize that the responsibility is also the sub / slaves, not only the Dominants. 



RavenMuse -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 6:51:53 AM)

Funny that, My girl initialy came over for a coffee and a chat to discuss MAYBE being an occassional playpartner.... she never left.

That connection CAN be instant, it simply gets deeper over time IF the chemistry is right.



UR2Badored -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 6:53:51 AM)

 
FR~Sometimes it is the only way to capture a person at all.  Some rely on looks, some rely on intellect, some rely on (insert your desire (s) here), and some must secure a person within days or weeks because their personality lacks any viable tactic.  If a person finds oneself committing to such in haste, it is a perfect match so yay!  And that is how the roulette wheel spins.  Sometimes you win and sometimes you just crap out.

Edited to add:  For me, there is a difference with forming an instant connection and forcing an instant connection.



TysGalilah -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 7:05:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

Funny that, My girl initialy came over for a coffee and a chat to discuss MAYBE being an occassional playpartner.... she never left.

That connection CAN be instant, it simply gets deeper over time IF the chemistry is right.



I can relate to this in my relationship with Tyson.



stella41b -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 7:11:00 AM)

It's no different from those who prefer Bugger King.

ETA except for perhaps the Whoppers.



Maxwell67 -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 7:13:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: urtoy
My thought is that "instant" relationships are inherently flawed.

You may want to re-examine this idea.  There is such a thing as "love at first sight"  that is not flawed. I knew the day I met Mine we were going to be together.  We were engaged in very short order.  Today is our wedding anniversary (18 years) and we are still going strong.  Nothing inherently flawed here.  I admit we have only moved to the D/s 'lifestyle' recently, but I suspect if we hat entered it 10 years ago we would be as happy as we are today.  She has always been submissive (to me, I mean), we simply deepened that to a new level and liked the result.



TysGalilah -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 7:14:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b

It's no different from those who prefer Bugger King.


.....hold the pickles, hold the lettuce....special orders don't upset us........
  



Maxwell67 -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 7:16:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

A collar represents a serious commitment.

If an experienced Dom takes advantage of an inexperienced submissive to "collar" her and then expect service from her... I'd say that that's just the sad part of human nature, masquerading as D/s.


Perhaps one upon a time it represented a serious commitment, but then a wedding ring used to represent a serious commitment too, and that has not proved to be the case in recent years.  A relationship is only as good as those who are in it. 



leadership527 -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 7:32:52 AM)

Periodically, us Masters are required to do this... the rules vary country by country.  In the US, we are obligated to do this once a year in order to retain our membership in good standing with the Doms Of America club.  None of us are quite sure why we have to do this, but the suspicion is that it provides excellent fuel for threads such as this one allowing everyone to feel very superior to those Mcsubs and McDoms.  It's kind of like singing koombaya around the campfire. 



TwilightShadows -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 7:52:05 AM)

I understand instant attraction and love at first sight.  I just question taking on such a responsibility based on immediate instinct.  I'm glad everyone is having fun with the fast food analogy.  I thought it was expressive! 



AdamTaylor -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 7:57:09 AM)

A connection can be instant... but the relationship should still be taken one step at a time.

There have been women I've felt that "click" with. But just because I felt that, didn't mean they were someone I could have something special with.
We might have fun for a little while... but it takes time to know if you can really be with someone for the long run.



CallaFirestormBW -> RE: McMasters, McSlaves and other ridiculous shortcuts (8/18/2008 8:05:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TwilightShadows

Thank you everyone, thus far.  I didn't think I had lost my mind entirely.  It seems to me that kind of connection takes a long time to develop.  I recognize that the responsibility is also the sub / slaves, not only the Dominants. 


I think the question to this is the same as "Is there such a thing as 'love at first sight'?" For some folks, there is that instant connection, and it lasts through every challenge, for years and years -- for other folks, every descent into 'relating' is a long, drawn out, complex, and challenging process.

Above all else, know yourself.

Firestorm



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