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ORIGINAL: kolekorin

lol
YOu know what gives us the moral high ground? We HAD UN approval. The legality was there, the moral high ground was there. If you would like, I can dig up the research I did in high school just before we went in to Iraq when I was trying to decide if I support the actions of the administration that represented me.

Like I said before, I support the policies, but I doubt Bush's administration possesses the sophistication to make them work the way they could.

Oh, and by the way, we also gave Iraq about a decade to comply and gave plenty of warning knocks. Russia launched a blitzkreig. lol

And aside from Germany, Canada, and France (Who, surprise surprise, is going more conservative.) whose respect did we lose? The Saudi's? Iran's? We had italy, spain, england, Japan, korea, (Who is kicking plenty of ass in the olympics by the way, tip of my hat to ya'll.)

I have no problem saying "if you point a gun in my face I'll blow your brains out". Guns have been pointed at us, and we should shoot before we no longer have the chance.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And yet Merc what we are watching is Russia resort to military influence's against the former republic's.Russia still needs the west to convert those petrodollars to hard cash,the west still has recourse and can allways pray for a mild winter...

The soviets don`t need petro dollars when they`re quite happy with petro-euros.

~general reply~

Bush egged`m on and promised to back them up,only to come out looking impotent and dishonest,when the shit hit the fan.

The Georgian president thought he had a US Senator in his pocket(Scheunemann/lobby-gate) and learned the hard way that 700,000 bucks only buys so much in Washington DC.

After this,other nations(seeking help) aren`t going to trust us to keep our word.

Fuck`n immature diplomat wanna-bees.

Hey fans of WW III,could ya`ll stop using other people and other nations as your private, real life video game?

Real people are dying or made into refugees.

Owner I too am looking forward to Jan.but your tendancy to see everything as a failure of Bush and co.is disturbing and predicatble at this point.Regardless of Bush's shortcomings(and they are many)this is Mr Putin's show and we would be well advised to keep our eyes on that ball,rather than listen to the distractive Bush bashing coming from some.....whether you believe it or not Bush is not the center of the universe(though he does seem to be occupying a central role in yours)
Thanks for the corr. of my last post ,of course I meant  euro's, either way hard cash

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Who is unilaterally arming Poland?
Tell me and I`ll flame on them too.
One could insert US,where I insert Bush,or neo-con.But I choose to distinguish between the United States and it`s failed leadership.
The neo-cons were quite happy to claim credit.I`m happy to point out their failings.History deserves it.
And in 6 months,it`s possible that Bush III will be in office,along with his conflicts of interest regarding Georgia.
If this was sports game or world champion poker,it`d be one thing.
These are real people,real damage,real consequences.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Looks like you may vote,"war for oil over", over "fix our own energy problems".



A clear choice,to be sure.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And now the west must live up to it's "promise" and isolate Russia till she withdraws,there would seem to be no other response open to responsible Nations...

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

The Europeans will say enough to placate America and not enough to provoke Russia. Anyway, the thinking of most European foreign ministers is that the US call for kicking Russia out of the G8 and the joint security council is stupid. Once again you only have lapdog on side.

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

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The Europeans will say enough to placate America and not enough to provoke Russia. Anyway, the thinking of most European foreign ministers is that the US call for kicking Russia out of the G8 and the joint security council is stupid. Once again you only have lapdog on side.

It's really funny actually, its the US, the former Soviet states and the UK.  The French, Germans, Italians are having none of it. 

Perhaps they've stopped to wonder how any threat of sanctions against Iran will mean anything more than hot air if there's no Russian buy-in?  But of course, a diplomatic solution would obviate the need for the expensive, non-functioning missiles anyway - why take the smart way out when we can fuck people over instead?

Oh yeah, I can hear the tills ringing over in the military-industrial complex.   All must be well in the world, if they're busy.

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

The Russians offered two alternative sites for the missile defence shield, one on the Iranian border (in a republic whose name escapes me) and the other in Southern Russia. Both offered better vantage points to defend against Iranian ICBM's - should such things ever be developed, of course.

The US aren't interested because Bush would rather undermine Russia and line the pockets of the arms lobbyists.  He's forgetting that Russian cooperation is vital in key areas of US foreign policy and directly impacts on allied states.

Still haven't heard how you Bush fanboys propose making Iranian anti-nuclear sanctions stick.  Or what you'll actually do if the Russians decide not to leave the disputed provinces.  And I know I won't, either.

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

The Russians offered two alternative sites for the missile defence shield, one on the Iranian border (in a republic whose name escapes me) and the other in Southern Russia. Both offered better vantage points to defend against Iranian ICBM's - should such things ever be developed, of course.

The US aren't interested because Bush would rather undermine Russia and line the pockets of the arms lobbyists.  He's forgetting that Russian cooperation is vital in key areas of US foreign policy and directly impacts on allied states.

Still haven't heard how you Bush fanboys propose making Iranian anti-nuclear sanctions stick.  Or what you'll actually do if the Russians decide not to leave the disputed provinces.  And I know I won't, either.

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

The Russians offered two alternative sites for the missile defence shield, one on the Iranian border (in a republic whose name escapes me) and the other in Southern Russia. Both offered better vantage points to defend against Iranian ICBM's - should such things ever be developed, of course.

The US aren't interested because Bush would rather undermine Russia and line the pockets of the arms lobbyists.  He's forgetting that Russian cooperation is vital in key areas of US foreign policy and directly impacts on allied states.

Still haven't heard how you Bush fanboys propose making Iranian anti-nuclear sanctions stick.  Or what you'll actually do if the Russians decide not to leave the disputed provinces.  And I know I won't, either.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And now the west must live up to it's "promise" and isolate Russia till she withdraws,there would seem to be no other response open to responsible Nations...

Wouldn't it be nice if this nation...meaning the US... had the moral high ground when it comes to such actions. Don't you understand how much of the world sees no difference between Russia and Georgia… and the US and Iraq.

They see us as hypocritical and arrogant to be up in arms with Russia why we do exactly the same thing in Iraq.

This attitude to us by many in the world is the direct result of Bush’s policies. Where we were not always liked we were at least respected for more than our military might…no longer.

Bush should shut the hell up and let Europe handle this situation. We are too tainted and not trusted by the rest of the world, which will hinder rather than help the resolution of this problem.

It is a sad circumstance that a patriot…me….has to utter the words above…pitiful.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
That represents a lot of clout both in cash (Euros) and resources. Outside the Middle East, where instability is the norm, and without the scrutiny of any internal environmental interests, Russia stands to be able to influence the world now much more than when they attempted to do so relying exclusively on military might.

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ORIGINAL: kolekorin
The recent looting of villages is for fuel and parts to get their tanks up and running again.

He also recalled the russians routinely scammed American bases for fuel for their vehicles because they had none.

Why s RUssia there? Because they're stuck.

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The possession of a nuclear option in the hands of a radical Iran,would seem to be as troubling to Moscow as it is to Washington,especially when one looks at a map.