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kittinSol -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 7:59:40 AM)

Note: I said McCain was like Bush, only watered down (unlike George himself, who, as we know, likes his liquor hard and strong).



pahunkboy -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:03:17 AM)

mccain is no saviour.    2004 would have been the time for the GOP to deal with- withdraw bush from the kingship. 2008 is abit after the fact.

there is no way mccain can weather 8 years of that type of stress.   at the same time, where was hillary in 2004.  mccain represents the past.   at some point the past is ..;. ... obsolete.



Smith117 -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:09:04 AM)

And a young, charismatic, party-unifying man is, the future.



kittinSol -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:09:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

mccain represents the past.   at some point the past is ..;. ... obsolete.



Some would say, he is the living incarnation of the past, much like an animated mummy.



youngstownsubm -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:10:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Is that the latest talking point, that the Golden One has the same experience level that Lincloln had?

Okay, assuming that's true - more Americans died in war under Lincoln's presidency than any other. 

Do we really want a repeat of that level of inexperience?


If you were a pacifist, you might have something close to a logically consistent thought there. However, if you were a pacifist, you would be supporting the candidate for President who's against the war in Iraq... so... I'm gonna say you're a troll.



pahunkboy -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:21:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

And a young, charismatic, party-unifying man is, the future.


Him over mccain in our"corp-acracy"    Ron Pauls ideas to get us TO the better place...which frankly is not negotiable. That train is coming weather we want it to or not. Best to plan and manage it- then to be the raod kill....which is the current, industrial milliatry complex- course.



RacerJim -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:28:13 AM)

And I think intentonally bringing in out of State people to caucus in a State where they can't vote to intentionally offset/overcome those who can vote, State residents, is FRAUD.

Note also that Obama got elected to his first public office, Illinois State Senator, by having his campaign surrogates invalidate enough voter signatures on each of his Democratic opponents' petitions to be on the ballot that none of them qualified to be on the ballot in a long-time overwhelmingly Democratic district -- virtually insuring his election because he was the only Democrat on the ballot. Not FRAUD per se but definitely a "dirty trick".

I have personally never seen a presidential candidate with less character (honesty, integrity, principle and trustworthyness) and more obfuscation than Obama.  He initially outright LIED that he was never sitting in a pew during any of Reverend Wright's controversal sermons, he has BROKEN at least three of his campaign promises (to have all of our troops out of Iraq by the end of 2009, to accept FEC funding for the general election, to debate McCain anytime and anywhere), and he has repeatedly AVOIDED giving a direct/simple answers to direct/simple questions.

POTUS is indeed not "King".  Obama may well have support and advice from people who have been at that game for decades but the fact that he has ignored the advice of our senior military leaders who have been at their "game" for decades and that their "surge"worked tells me he wants to be "King" rather than POTUS. 



Smith117 -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:32:47 AM)

Oh yes, he's broken his promise to have the troops out. Of course. Because he has the power to take them out eight now. Sure.

Ahhh the right. . . They are entertaining.



pahunkboy -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:38:42 AM)

Racer-  they say this every time.   the least qualified.   thats BULL.     every election cycle. 

just 4 years ago..Kerry was the worst, and Gore was the worst, and Bill is the worst.  how many "worsts" are there?  You cant change it every election. .  that mindset isnt "informing-ish"

it is hateful.



RacerJim -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:41:45 AM)

Obama made that promise either when or shortly after announcing he was running for POTUS, therefore meaning if elected POTUS he would have all of our troops out of Iraq/end the Iraq war by the end of 2009. Ah the left-wing Obamabots...deny, ignore and/or obfuscate Obama's broken campaign promises.



kittinSol -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:44:29 AM)

So, what exactly are you promoting again?



Smith117 -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:46:23 AM)

Wow, a right winger using the term bots. . . Interesting. I always thought the robots were the ones who blindly followed the status quo and were afraid of change.
I think I would much rather have a president that was open to change and not so closed minded that he wouldn't listen to what may or may not be a better approach to a problem.

And referencing me as "the left" is hilarious. I'm middle. I fall into neither the right or left because I agree and disagree with the ideals of both.



Sanity -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:48:36 AM)

Speaking the truth makes people trolls?

Since when.

Whether I hide under my bed like a pacifist or not, true is true. Lincoln's presidency saw the nation divided, brother killing brother, the countryside ravaged and burned... and we nearly lost the Union forever.

How many more leaders like that are you looking for?


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ORIGINAL: youngstownsubm
If you were a pacifist, you might have something close to a logically consistent thought there. However, if you were a pacifist, you would be supporting the candidate for President who's against the war in Iraq... so... I'm gonna say you're a troll.



Sanity -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:50:41 AM)

We're all in the middle, Smith.

Ask nearly anyone, they'll tell you.



pahunkboy -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:52:11 AM)

FR-

I am sorry I posted this.  



Smith117 -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:54:59 AM)

Sanity, you are entertaining. I'll give you that. I especially love the irony of your name.

Cheers.



slvemike4u -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:58:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Is that the latest talking point, that the Golden One has the same experience level that Lincloln had?

Okay, assuming that's true - more Americans died in war under Lincoln's presidency than any other. 

Do we really want a repeat of that level of inexperience?

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

Your opinion of fraud and mine are different then. I think conservatives deliberately telling their people to caucus for a candidate they have no intention of voting for us fraud, it's cowardly and it is a chickenshit move.
I have personally never seen a more honest, and open candidate for the presidency that has so moved me to actually vote, as is the case with future President Obama.

President is not "king." He's going to have support and advice from people who've been at that game for decades.

And the died in war part had to do with Lincoln's experience level how ?
Please explain that to me ,I was under the impression those deaths were due to a war ,and all the technological advances in mans improved capacities to maim and kill each other.



Sanity -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 8:59:07 AM)


First I'm labelled a troll, now you're trying to suggest that I'm insane... [8|]

Why is it that  so many on your side of the aisle have to so quickly resort to petty personal attacks. Do the facts not serve you well?



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ORIGINAL: Smith117

Sanity, you are entertaining. I'll give you that. I especially love the irony of your name.

Cheers.



Sanity -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 9:01:32 AM)

A more experienced leader could have possibly averted the need for a civil war altogether, or found a way to win it convincingly much earlier. Point is, if anything, Lincoln's tenure speaks for the need to have experienced leaders, not against it.

Do you disagree with that?



slvemike4u -> RE: Obama = FRAUD, statical caucus (8/20/2008 9:15:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

Obama made that promise either when or shortly after announcing he was running for POTUS, therefore meaning if elected POTUS he would have all of our troops out of Iraq/end the Iraq war by the end of 2009. Ah the left-wing Obamabots...deny, ignore and/or obfuscate Obama's broken campaign promises.
Before one can break campaign promises,one must first actually win the office one aspires to.Anything else is at most a "flip-flop"(latest fad definition of tweaking ones ideas)or an honest change of mind set...either way if he tells us about it before the election..no promises were broke...capice?



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