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RE: SPELLING - 11/27/2005 6:16:21 AM   
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My 2 cents also...internet is open to the world...I am french,english is my 3rd language (after french and spanish) so i am sure that i make mistakes sometimes.
Does that disqualify for any relations with "true english speaking people" ? I dont think so but they have to be tolerant toward people who make the effort to speak their language.


Offhand, I can think of two things you can do about that -

Explain to the person you are writing to that English is your third language, so they know why you are making errors.

Even though you explained this, use spellcheck before you send anyway, to catch the obvious errors.

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RE: SPELLING - 11/27/2005 12:10:33 PM   
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ok is this just Me, or does continual bad spelling make you crazy? Im not talking some multisyllables, I'm talking--the basic simple three and four letter words??? Bad spelling, makes Me nuts!


There are so many things in this life to worry about such as famine, poverty, war... I'm seriously not going to get my knickers in a twist over spelling.

As long as I can understand what the person is saying, then I'm not concerned. When the spelling is so bad that I can’t understand them, I don’t let myself get mad or frustrated, I try to ask questions to figure out what they are saying (that is of course, if I really want to know what they are saying which I’ll say honestly, isn’t always the case).

English is my second language and I probably make my share of spelling and grammar mistakes. I also make some in my first language, French, which is why I send all my texts to an editor before publication.

What actually drives me crazy is people who put down other people for their lack of skills or knowledge in an area. You know, some of these really bad spellers might be able to teach me a thing or two about calculus or physics or even manual tasks such as mechanics, computer hardware or electrical work! We aren't all geniuses in all areas. Let’s cut each other a little slack, shall we?

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RE: SPELLING - 11/27/2005 12:23:17 PM   
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ok is this just Me, or does continual bad spelling make you crazy? Im not talking some multisyllables, I'm talking--the basic simple three and four letter words??? Bad spelling, makes Me nuts!



I can have a few moments of good simple fun completing a spellcheck on the profiles of people complaining about misspellings, especially when their own profle states 'if you can't take the time to spell correctly-puhleez don't email Me'.

currrently - currently
dont = don't (6 times)
isnt = isn't



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RE: SPELLING - 11/27/2005 12:26:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

ok is this just Me, or does continual bad spelling make you crazy? Im not talking some multisyllables, I'm talking--the basic simple three and four letter words??? Bad spelling, makes Me nuts!



I can have a few moments of good simple fun completing a spellcheck on the profiles of people complaining about misspellings, especially when their own profle states 'if you can't take the time to spell correctly-puhleez don't email Me'.

currrently - currently
dont = don't (6 times)
isnt = isn't




Exactly Elegant ;-)

Something about people in glass houses...

Oh I'd like to add, for the record, that one of my pet peeves is when someone writes something all in UPPERCASE on the Internet (such as the title of this thread) because it is considered to be YELLING.

- LA

< Message edited by LadyAngelika -- 11/27/2005 12:28:03 PM >


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RE: SPELLING - 11/27/2005 12:50:48 PM   
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I used to get irritated seeing "of it" written as "it's" instead of plain its, but I read the other day that no less than Emily Dickinson used it herself in 'it's solemn abbeys"and "it's dripping feet".
So it's not just a modern web-page mannerism,then.
British find spellings like catalog and thru unacceptable, as Americans find catalogue and through bizarre. It's just habit and it inevitably changes. A lot has to do with how used we are to seeing a particular word. Who in England writes gaol now for jail?

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RE: SPELLING - 11/27/2005 12:54:46 PM   
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I used to get irritated seeing "of it" written as "it's" instead of plain its, but I read the other day that no less than Emily Dickinson used it herself in 'it's solemn abbeys"and "it's dripping feet".
So it's not just a modern web-page mannerism,then.

Humans makes errors. No one is perfect. Simple as that.

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ORIGINAL: Sardax
British find spellings like catalog and thru unacceptable, as Americans find catalogue and through bizarre. It's just habit and it inevitably changes. A lot has to do with how used we are to seeing a particular word. Who in England writes gaol now for jail?


And we in Canada are stuck in the middle. Canadian English is spelling is a mixture of American, British, and unique Canadianisms!

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RE: SPELLING - 11/27/2005 1:05:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sardax

I used to get irritated seeing "of it" written as "it's" instead of plain its, but I read the other day that no less than Emily Dickinson used it herself in 'it's solemn abbeys"and "it's dripping feet".
So it's not just a modern web-page mannerism,then.
British find spellings like catalog and thru unacceptable, as Americans find catalogue and through bizarre. It's just habit and it inevitably changes. A lot has to do with how used we are to seeing a particular word. Who in England writes gaol now for jail?


For some reason, the only Brit spellings that strike me funny are "colour" and "programme". I've never gotten used to those, maybe because they seem like French invaders

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RE: SPELLING - 11/27/2005 1:32:48 PM   
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ouch, its not yelling simply the title of an article

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RE: SPELLING - 11/28/2005 1:33:15 AM   
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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe.

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RE: SPELLING - 11/28/2005 10:30:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pollux

For some reason, the only Brit spellings that strike me funny are "colour" and "programme". I've never gotten used to those, maybe because they seem like French invaders



Continue using colour because in french its couleur and stop using color because its the exact spanish (and latin) writing

(and yes the word comes from latin then from french)
cocorico ! or may I say kikiriki ? or cukle di doo ?

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RE: SPELLING - 11/28/2005 10:50:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Onknees5858

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ORIGINAL: pollux

For some reason, the only Brit spellings that strike me funny are "colour" and "programme". I've never gotten used to those, maybe because they seem like French invaders


Continue using colour because in french its couleur and stop using color because its the exact spanish (and latin) writing

(and yes the word comes from latin then from french)
cocorico ! or may I say kikiriki ? or cukle di doo ?


Onknees5858... toutes les meilleurs choses sont d'origine française! ;-)

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RE: SPELLING - 11/28/2005 11:19:24 AM   
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This topic involves one of my pet peeves. How can I remain silent?!?!?!? I simply wanted to see which Yellow Brick Roads would attract the threads.

There was no appropriate place in the flow of my answer below to address a "first cousin" nightmare: inappropriate use of honorifics (what I dubbed "horrorifics") in written communications. So, I'll place it here.

Proviso: For anyone in an established D/s alliance, or who's into cyber scening, where the dominant partner requested that faux Internet upper case/lower case lingo be used, then have a great time playing with it. Beyond those boundaries, I go batty when people use it out of context. That especially includes dominants posting to bulletin boards, using "W/we" and "My" -- while interfacing with others who never agreed to submit to their dominance; other dominants reading the posts are not there to submit to the poster, plus it would be presumptuous if the person thinks that every submissive who reads his/her way through the boards is there to submit to every dominant around.

What totally sends me over the edge are posts from those same people, whining that they receive introductory notes of the ilk, "Mistress, I was born to serve YOU!" The dominant in question complains about not agreeing to accept the person’s submission. Gee whiz!!! That alleged dominant paved a path to induce such behavior; what else can one expect when his/her profile and posts are filled with horrorifics? Then, there's the added touch of signing all notes with an assumed title, imposing an image that one is the great goddess of the grand beyond.

Abused English, in conjunction with misplaced use of unearned titles, is a chronic source of consternation and double-speak. To all such grousers, consider the image conveyed before grumbling that subs react inappropriately. You know the adage about reaping what you sow. If a person has implanted him/herself in a cyber garden of plastic-fantastic wankerhood, life blossoms with insincerity amid all that horsepucky.

Granted, I set up my Alt user name as "Mistress Ti," but I put it there as an adjective, given the constraints of name length when I registered. I NEVER sign any notes with a title, and I never use horrorifics. The only reason I opted for "Mistress" was so I could convey two critical "at-a-glance" pieces of info to circumvent prevailing Internet nonsense: (1) I'm female, (2) I'm dominant, not a switcher.



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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
What actually drives me crazy is people who put down other people for their lack of skills or knowledge in an area. You know, some of these really bad spellers might be able to teach me a thing or two about calculus or physics or even manual tasks such as mechanics, computer hardware or electrical work! We aren't all geniuses in all areas. Let’s cut each other a little slack, shall we?

When hell freezes over and donkeys fly -- that's when I'll cut people slack. It's NOT people who lack such skills who irk me. It's those who DO have the skills, but can't be bothered using them.

First impressions are significant. If a person's primary written behavioral message is, "I'm too lazy to give a darn," then imagine how (s)he'll act a few months down the road. The novelty of interactions will have worn off and you have to get down to the business of a dyed-in-the-wool, day-to-day relationship. Such people are there for nothing more than what the dominant will do to meet their kinky needs -- when, and if, it's convenient, and the kinky interest happens to be trolling. Not exactly my idea of a committed sub.

In other words, I'm not talking about people who speak English as a second/third/fourth, etc. language. I'm not talking about people who are dyslexic, or have a learning disability, but who at least make an effort to spell check.

Self-destructive propensities always fascinate me.... like when someone says (s)he's dyslexic, and I volunteer to proof a website or lengthy posts (before they go online); rather than being met by appreciation, I often find my offer targeted with raging hostility. This tells me that the person uses the handicap as some sort of pity/excuse vehicle that (s)he refuses to remove.

I'm surely not referring to making occasional typos, as we all do that. (Lord knows, when I make a typo that slips by me, it's a major news day; the typo bug especially manages to bite me on the rump when I get overly short on time. Given my tendency toward loquaciousness, this can be a major challenge.)

Let me be very clear: I spell horribly when left to my own devices. No one makes more typos than I do. The critical distinction is that I proof what I type. (Though I can't spell, I know when a word looks wrong.) I keep a well-worn dictionary by my side. And when I'm done eyeballing my typing, then it's spell checked.

One aspect of why this is crucial is….

<Drum roll, puleez …. And yes, I do use slang and make allowances for it when sent to me>


My desire is to convey an image to prospective subs as someone with excellent attention to detail. Otherwise, why would they think they could ever trust me to "read" body language while they're lost in subspace? (That was a rhetorical question. IMO if that point isn't self-evident to anyone reading this board, then that person should rethink plunging into BDSM.)

In other words, we're talking about MOTIVATIONAL issues. Now, add the concept of motivation to interacting with a person who claims (s)he wants to serve. If truly motivated to fit that role, then the person must demonstrate excellent attention to detail, too. Otherwise, I'd have to be into micromanagement, and that ain't my thang.

Beyond that, a person who lacks excellent written and reading skills won't succeed in my life, which is one aspect of why this is a big deal for me. Consider: I get into odd pastimes. I never expected, for example, to end up converting Brazilian Portuguese (no, I do not speak any Portguese, though my primary translation partner has been hell-bent on teaching me the lingo) porn jokes into English, which then have to be typed into cartoon panels, using Photoshop. (During one of the most challenging moments, it took four conspiring minds to brainstorm a translation for just a nightclub's name; we couldn't afford to lose the gag.) I need people around me who can cut the mustard and are up to the task!

Written exchanges demonstrate intent. If someone is sincere, (s)he’ll find ways to circumvent disabilities and convert them into abilities. Case in point: The dyslexic psychiatrist, who headed a program where I worked for a couple of years. Despite his dyslexia, he made it through medical school and could handle all administrative paperwork; that was LLLLLOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGG before people had computers to pick up the slack. He had the will and ergo, he created the way.

How does any of this fit in with notions of good grammar and spelling? One of my pet peeves involves excuses for not spell checking. I've lost count of how many times I’ve been confronted by this lame excuse: "I couldn't spell check because this forum has no spell checker." That immediately tells me that I'm faced by a lazy prospective submissive, who's indifferent to putting his/her best foot forward. If (s)he can’t be bothered dumping text into whatever word processing software exists on his/her computer, that person won’t be highly motivated to ramp up initiative and effort when in a real life situation, where my needs must be handled.

~ Ti ~


P.S. Shall I post the link to the astrophysicist (he’d likely adore it, as he’s so deeply into humiliation) who attempted the "no spell checker" blame game for his posts and profile? Given that he supposedly wanted feedback about why his profiles were attracting no interest, what would he have learned had I ignored his functionally illiterate creations? I knew he knew better. I knew he was just being lazy. I knew he was up to the task. Because I stood my ground, he began posting literate, spell checked threads. He didn’t like it, but he showed it was within his purview. Hopefully, he realized that he makes a much better impression on strangers when he writes coherently and articulately.

BTW, if you really wanna learn some nifty stuff from a physicist, I have a buddy in a TPE marriage, who sends some of the most hilariously absorbing, effete intellectual snob, e-mails on every and any topic conceivable. (Herb swears he must have been waiting just for me to show up because he couldn't possibly discuss such content with anyone else.) I can ask him if he'd be comfortable with me sharing some of his "non-personal" musings with you. Topics range from icebergs, to the underlying theory/physiology of stereogram creations, to inability of today's students to do math of any sort unless they have a calculator on a string attached to their butts.

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RE: SPELLING - 11/28/2005 11:34:04 AM   
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When hell freezes over and donkeys fly -- that's when I'll cut people slack.


Suit yourself. And I sincerly hope this strategy works out for you :)

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RE: SPELLING - 11/28/2005 11:45:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
toutes les meilleurs choses sont d' française! ;-)

Looks like I better go get the South Park guys to launch into a fevered verse of:

There's no Canada
Like French Canada
It's the best Canada
In the land

And the other Canada
Is a bullshit Canada
If you lived there for a day
You'd understand

I think you'd understand

You understand.


~ From South Park Episode 715 - It's Christmas in Canada


<I keep meaning to ask Hershey Felder how he feels about these songs.>

LMBO
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RE: SPELLING - 11/28/2005 11:49:51 AM   
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Please try not convert this thread into a pro/con french tribune.
I dont want to be tortured with frozen french/liberty fries inserted in my different orifices

(in fact french people dont make a lot of mistakes in english because this language is so far easy compared to french !)

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RE: SPELLING - 11/28/2005 11:54:26 AM   
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I'm with you on cutting people some slack.

I have a friend with severe dyslexia... spell check does not work for her, the words just jumble up and she can't see a difference between words like their, there etc. She has worked hard at improving her writing skills, got tinted glasses etc and she does get her master to proof read most of her writing. If she got him to proof read everything I wouldnt be able to talk on line to her when he wasn't there.

It is not that difficult to read an understand even if there are errors and to me it is worth it as she is a wonderful person. I carry this through when reading mails, posts etc from others. It is the content that matters most.

Each to their own but just think, you might miss out on someone special.

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RE: SPELLING - 11/28/2005 11:55:49 AM   
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Suit yourself. And I sincerly hope this strategy works out for you :)

You ignored/sidestepped/did not process the premise of the foundation for why this approach is critical. How sad!

As for whether or not it works, my alliances and libidinal relationships stem the tide of decades. Clearly, something IS working.


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RE: SPELLING - 11/28/2005 12:14:53 PM   
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ouch! My laptop has just melted into a pool of burning lava, please forgive Me for opening such a firestorm of feeling---whew, backing out of the room ducking large, flying objects-----

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RE: SPELLING - 11/28/2005 12:19:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Onknees5858
Please try not convert this thread into a pro/con french tribune.
I dont want to be tortured with frozen french/liberty fries inserted in my different orifices
(in fact french people dont make a lot of mistakes in english because this language is so far easy compared to french !)

1) I've been speaking French since junior high school. If I couldn't, I would never have been able to pull off the Brazilian Portuguese porn translation project, since we leap between multiple languages to get to the bottom of what to use as the translation. When my translation partner from Rio can't think of how to explain the multiple layering of a Brazilian Portuguese concept (that language is a true bitch -- especially when you hit its slang), he'd write it out in French. If you'd see our exchanges, you'd plotz.... and it was the use of "plotz" that finally allowed us to figure out one of the translations.... but that's a whole other matter. Ain't the Internet grand?!?

2) Suggest you check who Hershey Felder is before anyone accuses me of being anti anything regarding Canada!

3) I think the notion of Liberty Fries is one of the stupidest conceptual/linguistic aberrations conceived.

4) I created a lighthearted post, based on a show that broadcasts parodies to skewer the universe. If not familiar with South Park's content, start watching! Just make sure you don't have to tinkle before you do, as it's a pretty sure bet you'd end up peeing in your undies.... unless, of course, you're into that sorta thang.

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RE: SPELLING - 11/28/2005 1:01:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TiNeedsHouseboy

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Suit yourself. And I sincerly hope this strategy works out for you :)

You ignored/sidestepped/did not process the premise of the foundation for why this approach is critical. How sad!

As for whether or not it works, my alliances and libidinal relationships stem the tide of decades. Clearly, something IS working.


~ Ti ~



My comment was sincere, not snippy. We all have our priorities.

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