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Alumbrado -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 9:41:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: colouredin and the award for the most unimpressive come back goes to Hey, at least he didn't call anyone a racist. ~stef I've called lots of people racists... David Dukes, StormFront, the KKK, the people who firebombed my family because we were Hispanic, and so forth. But in all of your sneering criticisms of me for reviling such people, you still haven't produced the quote you claim exists. Nice thread hijack onto your usual obsession though.

kittinSol -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 9:41:37 AM)
Thing is, it's not so much individual athletes that do that as the system that requires it: how much money is dependent upon good sports results? Tons. What are the political implications of events such as the Olympics? Enormous. Whenever money is involved, everything is justified, so what's a little injection once in a while?

NeedingMore220 -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 9:42:14 AM)
I've really enjoyed the swim and track and field. The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat (can we say dropped batons, Americans? argh... ) Some of the diving - though not the synchronized, that kinda drives me a bit batty. lol The Russian male diver was amazing, as were the Chinese divers. While waiting for Phelps' last race, there was a woman's marathon being shown. I have never watched 1 1/2 hours of a woman run before, and she led the race by a good margin the whole way ... but when she finally turned into the stadium and everyone started cheering for her, it made me misty. Such an accomplishment, such internal strength and fortitude. I still don't know what country she was from ... The two mens swimming relays will go down as my favorites, though. We're considering doing London in 2012.

colouredin -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 9:46:15 AM)
what i didnt like about the swiming relays was that the qualifying isnt done by the athletes who actually swim the final, seems a bit unfair to me. to Kittensol, yea its the system, each gold medal we won was worth over a million pounds in terms of the finance pout into training so the pressure is HUGE but doping is stupid now they do so many drugs tests, Phelps was tested 40 times in the run up and during the games

snappykappy -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 9:46:48 AM)
how about the 4 horses who were given some chili pepper concoction for the equestrian events and were eliminated

Alumbrado -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 9:54:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Thing is, it's not so much individual athletes that do that as the system that requires it: how much money is dependent upon good sports results? Tons. What are the political implications of events such as the Olympics? Enormous. Whenever money is involved, everything is justified, so what's a little injection once in a while? Or a doctored birth certificate, or a rigged epee, coerced judge, etc. And what could be so 'bloody terrible' about encouraging the Olympic dreams of coaches, promoters, agents and parents to the point where they are steering the kids into steroid use and acceptance of cheating in their teens? Watching someone dedicated to natural training display their skills in honest competition is one thing, but that hasn't been the Olympics for a long, long time.

thishereboi -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 9:56:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Thing is, it's not so much individual athletes that do that as the system that requires it: how much money is dependent upon good sports results? Tons. What are the political implications of events such as the Olympics? Enormous. Whenever money is involved, everything is justified, so what's a little injection once in a while? A little injection is cheating. you can come up with all the excuses on why people want the athletes to do better, but that doesn't change the fact that it is still cheating. Phelps managed to get 8 gold medals without the use of drugs, yet you still claim that they have to do it. Yea right.

colouredin -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 9:58:15 AM)
there will always be negative parts to well um anything ever in life, but you know there was a british weightlifter who had severly damaged her back months before the olympics, she wasnt going to go but she did she couldnt lift much but she did life more than she did in training, she was crying when she was interviewd, she said it hurt but ive been training for this, this is the olympics i couldnt not come. So i will take all the negative for one story like that because I thought it was wonderful

Alumbrado -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 10:02:09 AM)
A drug free Phelps or a Lance Armstrong comes along every once in a blue moon... in the meantime, in order for everyone else behind the scenes to get rich, they create the pressure to 'win at any cost' i.e. enhance performance, which starts early and lasts thoughout the careers of all the less gifted but equally ambitious competitors. The Olympic attempts to gloss over all that seedy stuff with a sheen of patriotism and showmanship... even though it panders to millions, not everyone is buying it.

colouredin -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 10:07:51 AM)
and im saying the once ina blue moon, phelps, bolt, wiggins, hoy they are the reasons i watch the olympics, if i wanted to get bogged down in drama i would read about national conflicts, every day there are things like that to read about, newspapers thrive on reporting all the shit that we as human beings are capable of, whats wrong celebrating the occasions that there are actually people doing fantastic things?

Alumbrado -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 10:10:38 AM)
quote: I thought now would be a good time to ask, what were your fave moments? Worst moments? What issues have they thrown into the air (in England it seems we are very focused on the nature of buying our medals and all that stuff) You asked what other people's take was, and now you are disagreeing with them when when they don't see it the same way you do. If you are so fulfilled by enjoying the Olympics why can't you just leave it at that, instead of getting upset that not everyone accepts your opinions as their own?

colouredin -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 10:15:28 AM)
yeah its true but you decided to make it a nasty personal thing by your wonderfully thought out insult. And a debate is fine, i wasnt starting the thread to not then write on it again, and i can disagree with you.

Level -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 10:21:11 AM)
I've noticed lots of temper tantrums this year..... the Cuban taekwondo guy that kicked the ref in the face.... the wrestler that threw his bronze medal down... yeesh.

kittinSol -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 10:27:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi Phelps managed to get 8 gold medals without the use of drugs, yet you still claim that they have to do it. Yea right. I have made no such claim; at the most, a generalisation that drug-use is widespread and frequently necessary to obtain the kind of results we have seen for the history of the modern Olympics. Individual athletes, like mileage, may vary, and I wouldn't dream of raining on your national hero Michael Phelps' parade. Put your head in the sand all you like, though: perhaps you could make it into a sport discipline all of your own [;)].

Alumbrado -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 10:32:20 AM)
You sure you want to 'tour' down that particular path?

kittinSol -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 10:34:57 AM)
Which path would that be? I used to be rather good at the 1500m. As long as it's not a marathon [8D] ...

thishereboi -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 10:40:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Yep yep yep. I just wish the sports world would stop being so bloody stubborn, and started admitting that doping is widespread because it's necessary - without it, I don't think many modern world records would exist at all. No, it is not necessary and yes you said it.

kittinSol -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 10:43:51 AM)
Being aware of something doesn't mean one is condoning it: corruption is necessary to get our society running, and that includes sports. Now, would you please stop following me around, and go and bite someone else's ankle? Much appreciated :-). Edit, syntax, again.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 11:12:05 AM)
quote: corruption is necessary to get our society running, and that includes sports. kittin, saying something is "necessary" is condoning it. quote: con·done Pronunciation: \kən-ˈdōn\ Function: transitive verb Inflected Form(s): con·doned; con·don·ing Etymology: Latin condonare to absolve, from com- + donare to give — more at donation Date: 1805 : to regard or treat (something bad or blameworthy) as acceptable, forgivable, or harmless <a government accused of condoning racism> <condone corruption in politics>

thishereboi -> RE: Olymipics (8/24/2008 11:21:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Being aware of something doesn't mean one is condoning it: corruption is necessary to get our society running, and that includes sports. Now, would you please stop following me around, and go and bite someone else's ankle? Much appreciated :-). Edit, syntax, again. You mean I should stop pointing out that you said things that you then turn around and claim you didn't say. But why would I when you make it so easy?

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