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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 4:58:58 AM

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As beth pointed out, it doesn't matter if you use third person, change capitalization, use the slashes because whatever you do, someone will find issue with it. What matters is what your Dominant wants and what pleases Him.

InkedMaster prefers I don't use third person. How I use capitals doesn't concern Him. It's my actions and my attitude that matter most to Him.

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 5:24:30 AM

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...i was wondering what others have encountered concerning third person talk.

mostly insults, put-downs and jokes...especially in the online forum. from time to time there are a few folks who express an affection/appreciation for it, when the topic is discussed here, but not often.

that being said, what pleases the masses, or is the "done thing" isn't this slave's concern...what pleases Master, is.

I was going to say i find third person speech really really annoying butttttttttt i got distracted from the thread lol.

I'm glad though because today i have realised that when third person speech is done as beautifully as Beth does it i think it is erm well beautiful

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 5:47:17 AM

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In about 99% of the instances that I see it used I find it irritating. Kind of like someone pushing language through a cheese grater. I think that what makes the difference for me is what kind of cheese comes out the other side though. Most times it's Limburger and it stinks....the person using it comes off as a mindless drone who sees themselves as some kind of subhuman. In beth's case though, SHE comes through in all her joy and glory....like fine aged cheddar.

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 8:07:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: ReverendGypsy

You have got to love any series of postings in which Queen Victoria gets involved, that just screams of a good time.

The whole slash thing just... comes across as awkward to me, thats merely a personal approach - but it could simply be a sort of stumbling of the eyes over the visual appearance of it. The / feels almost like a hurdle (and damn I just can't jump very well) when I'm reading anything. However, I really shouldn't be one to speak, I know I've been horrible cruel to the common comma - if you know the origin of that phrase I praise you. Out of curiousity in all of this, how do you feel about subs using "one" (i.e. "One is here for her master")

"One" is an acceptable substitute, but, to my mind, is not that much different from using I or me... so if the purpose of using 3rd person speech is to separate the ego from the service, using 'one' as a substitute phrase is, somewhat less effective for me than more descriptive phrases -- though longer, the phrases that I prefer to express the same thing remove much of the ego from the service. It all depends on what you are going for in using 3rd person speech.

My preferences would be "A servant is present for the Master's use." or "A servant awaits the opportunity to serve the master." or even. "A servant is present, per Master's command." (Edited to add: One other thing here that disappears is the "ownership" issue -- there is no sense that the Master is possessed by a given servant).

The challenge with 3rd person speech is that it really doesn't handle linguistic shortcuts well. The more shortcuts that are attempted, the more tangled and incomprehensible the sentence becomes.

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 8:09:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

In about 99% of the instances that I see it used I find it irritating. Kind of like someone pushing language through a cheese grater. I think that what makes the difference for me is what kind of cheese comes out the other side though. Most times it's Limburger and it stinks....the person using it comes off as a mindless drone who sees themselves as some kind of subhuman. In beth's case though, SHE comes through in all her joy and glory....like fine aged cheddar.

Okay, we all know that I love CHEESE......and I love beth.....so what's your REAL point here, Erin?

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 8:14:05 AM

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Come now Lady H...it's sooooo simple. You love cheese and you love beth....so obviously a vacation to LA to see her would be a good idea. And I figure if I "whine" enough you'll take me with you.

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 8:16:05 AM

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What we need, Erin, is a MONEY SLAVE!! Work on that, mmmkay? Because then we can go to Steel's thing, AND visit Merc & beth. Of course we might never come home...

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 8:21:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
Of course we might never come home...

The money slave thing doesn't sound bad...and meeting folks sounds waaaaayyyyyy cool. But I don't think Master Sage would like it much if I never came home.

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 8:37:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

It's much more fun if you use interesting substitutions for the "i" or "my".

Random cycling nouns are amusing to play with.

For instance, they can be used to break bad habits. Such as forcing someone to reply to you as "this little nose picker."

Or just silly things really

Tea pots, cereal boxes-sex toys................

Bwahahahahaha! Just out of the ability to engage in general asshattery, I should have my pet go around for a while referring to himself soley as "Your ketchup bottle".

This post, Leatherist... We ARE amused indeed!

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 8:49:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
What we need, Erin, is a MONEY SLAVE!! Work on that, mmmkay? Because then we can go to Steel's thing, AND visit Merc & beth. Of course we might never come home...

Well Lady H, you and erin can save some money. We'll be in Vegas for "Steel's thing", and you may never want to go home!

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 10:26:04 AM

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Zounds!! Peace, prithee pint pot and all that. For it is clear for the majority look upon the speakings and uttereances of the third person and they say to themselves 'Gadzooks!'

But art Thou not a human, and doth Thou not dream of love, domination with a little fornication on the side? And is not Thy dominant or submissive or even slave also a human? And doth notThy submissive speak of Thine love, Thine domination and maybe a little of Thine fornication?

Ladies and gentlemen I have the answer! I am proud to announce that I am the world's first Borean submissive. And prithee no more Thy debates on third person speech for I have invented ...

Bore.. named after a sleepy little hamlet in Kent on the A20 between Swanley and St Paul's Cray (he had a lot of problems it is true) not far from St Mary's Cray (it was infectious) based on... the Complete Works of William Shakespeare.

But I warn you, this is only for the HARD CORE among you, those that doth speak in such a manner to allow both second and third person to express Thy feelings, where the greeting is ...

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 10:34:36 AM

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I think I'm going back to sleep, stella.

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 11:30:48 AM

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If it is possible to do so, please explain why it is so necessary to be nasty and poke fun at another's choice in speech or way of communicating.

Poking fun and making snide remarks at another's expense, especially when an individual is attempting to understand something that xhe may have heard or seen, and where the individual may be new and uncomfortable as it -is- with asking the "wrong" questions, seems rude and particularly reprehensible from this perspective.If those present can explain how and why this is acceptable behavior from adults, it would make interesting listening.

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 11:44:19 AM

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I don't get jollies from deriding people, but I have absolutely no problem telling most third-person-speakers that if they want to have a conversation with me they will knock it off or be Ignored. Most of the time, it's an affectation by women with a primarily online practice, who are trying to win a trophy at the Subby Olympics. I have no more time for that than I do for any other form of elitist snobbery.

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 12:02:13 PM

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I don't get jollies from deriding people, but I have absolutely no problem telling most third-person-speakers that if they want to have a conversation with me they will knock it off or be Ignored. Most of the time, it's an affectation by women with a primarily online practice, who are trying to win a trophy at the Subby Olympics. I have no more time for that than I do for any other form of elitist snobbery.

See, I have no problem with an individual saying "Hey, I don't do that." or "I don't like that." Where I have issue is when people go out of their way to poke fun at someone else's choices. I've known some pretty cool people who use these forms of speech -- it's something I'm attracted to because of my own love of words and grammatical explorations. It is something I -use- every day, as part of my paying work, and it is an acceptable and legitimate form of both written and spoken conversation. Admittedly, a lot of individuals are rough in their presentation of the form (an issue that comes, I believe, from poor instruction in the grammar of our native tongue in school), but that doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with people who -do- attempt to use it, or who require that their servants use it.

I try to avoid terms like "elitism", "elitist", "snob", "snobbish", "uppity", "ivory tower", "snobbery", etc., when referring to other people's behaviors, because most of the time, when I hear these types of words being thrown around, it is because the individual doing the throwing hasn't taken the time to get to know the people xhe's accusing as people and chooses, instead, to project hir own issues of status and self-worth onto the actions the others are taking.

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 12:38:41 PM

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If this was any way aimed at me yes I can explain. It was an attempt to inject a bit of humour into the thread, without the intention to deride or mock those who use third person speech. Think of a parody, a sort of a lampoon and nothing more. Nor indeed did I intend to cause any offence to Goreans.

Nothing against what anyone requires in their dynamic, they could use pidgin English for all I care.

Using humour is one of the ways I express myself here. I may not always hit the target and none of what I post is guaranteed to make everyone laugh, indeed not everyone can see the joke.

All I can do is apologise to anyone who was offended by my previous posting, and this is a sincere apology. None of my postings come with a guarantee, some fall way off.. but I stand by my belief that there is a place for humour here as everywhere else in life.

I hope in this instance I'm not mistaken, even if at times I am mistaken otherwise. I am only human.

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 1:00:08 PM

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she is required to always talk in 3rd person, both in email and in person to anyone that knows she is a submissive/slave. she always refers to herself as 'she or her', never "my or me". she may refer to Master by "you". speech is another way to submit to Master.

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 1:02:50 PM

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I've found the third person thing to be a little annoying. Everytime I hear it I think of Ross Perot.

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 1:06:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

If this was any way aimed at me yes I can explain. It was an attempt to inject a bit of humour into the thread, without the intention to deride or mock those who use third person speech. Think of a parody, a sort of a lampoon and nothing more. Nor indeed did I intend to cause any offence to Goreans.

Nothing against what anyone requires in their dynamic, they could use pidgin English for all I care.

Using humour is one of the ways I express myself here. I may not always hit the target and none of what I post is guaranteed to make everyone laugh, indeed not everyone can see the joke.

All I can do is apologise to anyone who was offended by my previous posting, and this is a sincere apology. None of my postings come with a guarantee, some fall way off.. but I stand by my belief that there is a place for humour here as everywhere else in life.

I hope in this instance I'm not mistaken, even if at times I am mistaken otherwise. I am only human.

No, Stella, it wasn't directed at you. In fact, I got a chuckle out of the Olde English post. One of my Keepers, when I was earning my crop, was a professor of Shakesperean English, and he'd go off on tangents of Shakespeare-speak that would have us -rolling-.

My impetus to post actually came after reading derogatory and occasionally downright -rude- comments, plus years of hearing the same kinds of comments bandied around on boards, in chat rooms, and in face-to-face meetings. So I decided to ask the question as a general "please explain".

I've seen so many people humiliated over this and similar behaviors, and even been publicly humiliated myself in a submissives special interest group when I was required to stick to third-person speech during my training as a newcomer to the Household I served, and again when it was required due to being punished for a serious breach in protocol. In fact, I've seen it so many times that it seems like speech requirements are the "fat joke" of the BDSM world -- "It's ok to poke fun at them, because they don't -have- to be that way, right?"

I know that our servants, if commanded to use speech restrictions including 3rd person, would no more disobey me than someone else's servant when told to dress a certain way or quit smoking or do the dishes... and a servant who -did- defy the command would be given extra discipline (and would either comply or leave the household, in the same way that we would treat any other repetitive infraction of the rules), so I have never understood how the rules around speech restrictions could elicit such antipathy.

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RE: third person talk - 8/26/2008 1:23:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW
I try to avoid terms like "elitism", "elitist", "snob", "snobbish", "uppity", "ivory tower", "snobbery", etc., when referring to other people's behaviors, because most of the time, when I hear these types of words being thrown around, it is because the individual doing the throwing hasn't taken the time to get to know the people xhe's accusing as people and chooses, instead, to project hir own issues of status and self-worth onto the actions the others are taking.

I suppose I should provide context. I don't chat up owned slaves, and I'm certainly not going to try to interject my personal preferences into someone else's settled dynamic. That said, I've had quite a few conversations with women on the other side who -- according to their profiles anyway -- were single and looking, and I have no problem making categorical statements about the women who tried approaching me in third-person speech. They tend to have little experience scening, are within a couple years of being out of a bad relationship, have read at least a couple Gor books, see themselves in competition with other women, and think that third-person speech is a way to garner an "edge."

Those experiences are the real reason I put "Gorean Lifestyle" as a hard limit in my profile. Without exception, the Gor-interested, third-person-speaking women I have encountered on the other side are interested in cybersex only, or have no idea how to build a nontoxic relationship.

I have no quarrel with anything you might choose to do personally in your own dynamic. And, of course, it wouldn't matter a damn if I -- I mean "this one"

-- did.

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