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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 1:23:22 PM   
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Supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton furiously circulated petitions on the floor of the Democratic National Convention last night, hoping to stave off a plan to hold the convention's roll call at breakfast Wednesday — out of the public eye — sources inside the delegations said.

The move being worked out between the Obama campaign and officials behind Clinton's suspended bid, would work in two parts: Delegates would cast votes at their hotels Wednesday morning; that night, at the Pepsi Center convention site, the roll-call process would rely on the votes cast that morning, the delegates said.

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 1:30:12 PM   
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I notice the Denver Post's straw poll in the article has 75% of the respondents saying the roll-call vote should be on the floor Wednesday night.

Damn, at this rate Obama's going to sink in the polls worse than Kerry in '04.

Strangely enough, I don't think I am being biased when I say that, either.

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 1:37:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see how such a move can or will be allowed.  I hope rational minds take control and realize how this is going to be received, not only by Dems but by indies.

This is even worse than the way they presented Jimmy Carter last night, kind of shuffled on stage and quickly escorted off, all prior to the national coverage.

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 3:23:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find it interesting that the media talking heads started saying several days ago that they had basically overblown the Hillary/Obama feud, simply to keep people interested. Once it became obvious that Obama was going to be the nominee, they had to find some way of keeping the "reality TV" primary snit going, or else viewers would have drifted away. From what Madow was saying last night, it seems more like 85% of Hillary supporters are squarely in Obama's camp as of last night, and we can expect all but a few embittered stragglers to jump on after Hillary has her spotlight moment.

Women vote for McCain? And flush their, their daughters, and possibly their grand daughter's reproductive rights down the toilet? Piss on the gains they've made for women's rights over the last thirty five years over one election? Consign their sons to a 100 year long, baseless conflict in the middle east? Think again.

The rethuglicans know it, too. They don't have a policy record to run on, (or rather, all they have is the scortched Earth that "W" has left behind) so all they can do is cast crazy ass, tinfoil hat wearing, racist ads out at Obama. God knows everytime McCain goes off teleprompter, he sticks his foot in his mouth.

"John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign." (as one of his minions put it) LOL 

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 3:28:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is not being reported or spun by the "rethuglicans", Comrade Wallace reported from what he called "ground zero" last night.  It doesn't concern you that the Dem party is not going to allow a floor roll call vote, and that if it is allowed and looks like it is going to go against the chosen one that they are going to halt it and go for a voice vote, which is in direct contradiction to the party rules?

And of course all of those folks out there protesting the changes are Republicans...

Interesting.

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 3:32:37 PM   
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I find it interesting that the media talking heads started saying several days ago that they had basically overblown the Hillary/Obama feud, simply to keep people interested. Once it became obvious that Obama was going to be the nominee, they had to find some way of keeping the "reality TV" primary snit going, or else viewers would have drifted away. From what Madow was saying last night, it seems more like 85% of Hillary supporters are squarely in Obama's camp as of last night, and we can expect all but a few embittered stragglers to jump on after Hillary has her spotlight moment.

How do you account for the apparent move by the Dems to have a secret vote Wednesday morning, and a "show" roll call vote Wednesday evening, in violation of their own rules, as reported in the Denver Post?

Is the Denver Post merely making up news? If the paper is not merely making up this news item, who is circulating these petitions and why?

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 3:38:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stop being such an instigator CL, it is wrong of you to spin the positions of the delegates.  Of course they are behind Obama, it is just the media and folks like us that are saying otherwise.  Why would anybody think there would be any kind of dissent? How could a good loyal Dem not love Obama, he is the chosen one, and thus all must march in lock step to see him win.

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 3:43:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's so nice of all you republicans to be so concerned. 

Obama has had a very steady 5% or so lead over McCain since May, but you are all concerned that this is bad for... Obama?  He's ahead by a margin similar to the Bush victory over Dukakis in 88, but this is somehow bad for Obama? 

The only thing you all should be concerned with right now is which of McCain's seven houses he's going to go home to in January.  Because he won't be living in DC.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/charts.html

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 3:56:49 PM   
Thadius


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Explain this one then..
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109264/Gallup-Daily-Obama-46-McCain-43.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109834/Gallup-Daily-Bounce-Obama-Post-Biden-Tracking.aspx

A candidate usually sees a 3-9 point bounce from a vp nomination, and most certainly doesn't lose ground as his convention starts.

A little over a week ago most polling places had Obama with a small lead (within the margin of error), I am having a hard time finding one that shows him still leading, even CNN polling has it dead even.

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 4:14:00 PM   
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quote:

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A little over a week ago most polling places had Obama with a small lead (within the margin of error), I am having a hard time finding one that shows him still leading, even CNN polling has it dead even.


Well, that's the beauty of aggregate polling.  You don't have to explain every poll.  It gives you a much more clear picture. 

I'm not a democrat, either.  Totally independent.

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 4:18:47 PM   
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It's so nice of all you republicans to be so concerned. 

Obama has had a very steady 5% or so lead over McCain since May, but you are all concerned that this is bad for... Obama? 




The more reliable polls such as Zogby and Gallup actually have McCain ahead. Plus the election is determined by electoral tally. Popular vote is meaningless. And if you look at the states that matter like Virginia, Ohio, Michigan, or Florida.....the polls are virtually tied in each state. Like it or not, those are the states that will decide who our next president is.

Plus McCain has some damn good campaign ads lately....and they are working....
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Multimedia/Player.aspx?guid=e831507a-0b12-4356-a306-554708d14038
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Multimedia/Player.aspx?guid=676d6afb-216a-4b7d-b850-145a9e87cc45

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 4:23:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even looking at averages, and current polling models one has to notice the trend.  Also one needs to look at how much weight is being given to the assumed unreachables (those young folks that only have cell phones).  Many polling places are adding alot of weight to that assumed figure in their models, which should be even more disturbing to analysts.

Just one more thing, what reasoning do you give for Obama not following the same trends as the generic Dem averages?  He should be leading by 10-15 points easily.

Your example of Bush over Dukakis is faulty as well, since traditionally Dems poll higher than actual turn out and Reps poll lower than actual turn out.  Carter had a 20-30 point lead most of the summer and barely won his election.  We know how the reelection went...

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 4:33:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tell you what.  You look at individual polls and I'll look at the fact that Obama has been leading since May 3rd.  Yes, the polls are tightening.  They've tightened before.  But until McCain has a lead in the aggregate polling, even for a day, I think we can safely say that this is Obama's to lose.

Of course, I've been reading these boards for about a month now and I've read the same few posters claim that Obama's about to get beaten, that Hillary is going to steal the election, etc.  When a single prediction that you all make proves true, I'll take your prophesying more seriously. 

But in the meantime, I'll take the lack of republican enthusiasm, the aggregate polling, the incredible machine that Obama has built, and common sense to predict a big Obama victory (and a big victory for America) in November.



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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 4:41:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		And like I said...POPULAR VOTE IS MEANINGLESS! You need to start looking at the electoral vote.... Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000 and still lost the White House because he lost the electoral vote. The popular vote does not elect the president in this country.

Poll of Polls.....
Ohio: McCain +1.2
Florida: McCain +3.8
Colorado : Tie
Virginia: Tie
New Mexico: Obama +1.0
Michigan: Obama +4.3
Minnesota: Obama +4.5

This race is a dead heat.

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 4:51:44 PM   
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Shows Obama leading McCain in electoral votes 273 to 252 with 13 ties.

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 4:53:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

And like I said...POPULAR VOTE IS MEANINGLESS! You need to start looking at the electoral vote.... Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000 and still lost the White House because he lost the electoral vote. The popular vote does not elect the president in this country.

Poll of Polls.....
Ohio: McCain +1.2
Florida: McCain +3.8
Colorado : Tie
Virginia: Tie
New Mexico: Obama +1.0
Michigan: Obama +4.3
Minnesota: Obama +4.5

This race is a dead heat.


Uh, everyone knows the popular vote is meaningless.  I ignored you because you claimed Zogby was reliable. 

But let's check how the race looks today according to the electoral votes:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

OK.  So Obama has 228 right now (183 solid, 45 leaning) and McCain has 174 (139 solid, 35 leaning).

Let's look at it another way to see how this race is a dead heat, as you say.

Here's a list of states where McCain is doing better than Bush did in 2004:
Nevada
New Hampshire
Massachussets
Louisiana
Arkansas
New York
Tennessee
Arizona

For brevity's sake, I won't list the 42 +DC where Obama is doing better than Kerry.

Dead heat.  Right.



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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 5:59:35 PM   
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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 6:03:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		We're a long way from the election and a lot could happen between now and then.  All that the polls say now is that it's danged close and anyone who says they know who the winner is going to be is an idjit.  Once the conventions are over we'll start seeing the slime machines stepping up production.  The R's figured out some years ago that getting folks to vote against is easier than getting them to vote for.  You get more mileage by defining your opponent than you do by defining yourself.  The D's have been danged slow in picking up on this, but they've figured it out this time around.  The Obama camp is working hard to define McCain and they're making headway. 

I suspect that the winner will be whoever best succeeds in defining his opponent.  I think that's very sad.

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 6:17:53 PM   
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Another aspect of this election is the importance of Net based communication. This is a strong point with the Obama campaign and especially the youth vote.  His supporters regularly receive e-mail updates and text messages.  That is a wise move in the Information Age which will hopefully translate into more youth registering and voting in the swing states.

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RE: Poll: More than half of Clinton backers still not s... - 8/26/2008 6:20:53 PM   
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