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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 8/28/2008 12:44:47 PM   
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And, the reality that it's clearly a job with a lifespan for most pros - you don't see many women working 30+ years and retiring a pro. The burnout rate is high and a woman's packaging and "look" also has a lifespan, like it or not.





Not necessarily so. A good pro-domme can work that long and retire. It is a skill not entirely based on looks or age.




Wouldn't you say that's the exception to the rule, not the norm?  How many 55 year old femdoms are there compared to those in their 20s and 30s?
And while looks/age are a factor in it, I think burnout is a higher one.  I think it takes a very special kind of energy to bring that passion to the table day in and day out for 15+ years.  Dominas will know what I am talking about - it has nothing to do with the amount of physical exertion in a "scene" (although that does factor), femdom headspace is a drain.  It's a dual drain with a piggy/selfish bottom, which a lot of pro clients are.  Keeping that mental and emotional energy up has to be a challenge.  I think any pro femdom who does it for a living should be applauded for that kind of skill.

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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 8/28/2008 12:55:59 PM   
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i pay my mistress to see her on a weekly basis ...sometimes twice a week as far as im concerned those are the best hours of my week when im  with her ..yes im divorced ..would love a more full time thing with the right lady of course  the chemistry we have together is amazing ..she is a awesome woman indeed  i always classify a pro dom as a lady who charges for her services ..some ladys no sex is available and i respect that ..other women sex happens and can be wonderfull indeed ...once the door closes and the clothes come off what happens then between 2 consenting adults is up to them  been seeing her now over 7 plus years and our bodily fluids have bonded quite well thank you the lady is amazing  some pro doms are not worth the price but when you find the one that is ..that can be truly priceless in my book ..have fun ..mal

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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 8/28/2008 2:16:34 PM   
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I'm so thankful for the well thought out replies-I was pretty sure I'd be insulted and flamed, guess it speaks highly of this board.  A few additional thoughts: the top pro's in my market anyway are very aware they are part of the sex industry and do not judge others-I have sessioned with escorts and male subs, I have no problems with any women in the sex service field.  If the idea of catering to someone elses fetish angers or exhausts you, then this is not the right field to be in, full time anyway.  I do cater my sessions to the client with no apologies, if he insists that he "only wants to please me" over and over, well then heaven help him because I WILL HAVE NO MERCY!  It is a different world from lifestyle, no big deal to me but many lifestyle people feel hostile-all I can say is my clients are not men who cannot get a woman to consent to dominating them, they are men who only want to submit for a tiny bit of time and then return to their lives.  I have found that there are impulses for kink that never die and have clients who tell me the release they get in  session makes them happier individuals in all aspects of their lives.  It IS a service industry-so what-I'm comfortable with that and even LOVE MY JOB!  Again, it's not for everyone and to lump us in with the just pay me lot for nothing is a joke, a reputible professional Dominatrix is just that, professional.

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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 8/28/2008 3:15:34 PM   
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My only real complaint about Pro Dommes is simply that I can't afford them....


That's my problem also. Pro dommes are OK, but I just don't have the budget to afford them. I don't think they charge too much because I understand the work is risky, potentially illegal, and there are skills that need to be learned just like any other job. If I could afford $200 I would probably go to a pro.

The other issue is the sex -- often, but not always, I would like to have sexual contact during a session -- even if that amounts to nothing more than giving oral to my mistress. Of course it's difficult if not impossible to talk about sex before the session, and many pro dommes don't want any sexual contact at all. Compounding my problem is that the price goes up when sex is involved. Again, I'm not arguing with paying more but I just don't have the money.

I have found that most of the younger dominant women on collarme are pros. Since I can't afford them, I usually start filtering at age 40. If I look at the younger pros here it's just to fantasize about how much fun it would be if I had a larger income.

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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 8/28/2008 3:18:46 PM   
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I think pro dommes are just fine as long as on collarme they say upfront that's what they are. Sometimes they piss me off because they make you read a long diatribe before they say they are pro. I think it would be better if Collarme offered a filter so that we could either look for pros, or filter them out. I have no problem with pros advertising but I think the website could handle it better. 

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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 8/28/2008 3:40:20 PM   
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and that is my point......the top pro's do not rely on cm for advertising, at least in my market, we go on here for fun.  I love expressing myself through my journal and I adore my personal I met here.  The women who's profiles you read through and mention money at the end are not anywhere close to the league of the reputible pro's I know-to call them pro is a joke, wishful thinking on your part that the super hot girl in street clothes is not a pic set up by some loser guy to get $, well answer your own question............

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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 8/28/2008 3:55:55 PM   
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and that is my point......the top pro's do not rely on cm for advertising, at least in my market, we go on here for fun.  I love expressing myself through my journal and I adore my personal I met here.  The women who's profiles you read through and mention money at the end are not anywhere close to the league of the reputible pro's I know-to call them pro is a joke, wishful thinking on your part that the super hot girl in street clothes is not a pic set up by some loser guy to get $, well answer your own question............

Perhaps I don't understand what you mean by a pro. It seems to me that if I pay a woman to spank me, then she is a pro. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that she knows what she is doing -- it just means she charges a fee for a service.

Now you are saying that true pros don't advertise on CM. My question is why not, and if not where? How would I go about finding what you consider to be a pro domme?

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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 8/28/2008 4:02:48 PM   
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Ava is correct, in my experience -- and this is not true just about pro dommes.  Women who are exotic dancers, phone sex professionals, and who work other "slutty" jobs often do not include that information anywhere in their CM profiles.  Why?  Because they are looking for relationships, and do not want to become Queen of All Trollmagnets.

Just because someone works a job like that, it does not mean that she has renounced her humanity, and no longer needs/desires romance, intimacy or love.

For professional ads for professional services, one possibility is MaxFisch.com.


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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 8/28/2008 4:44:07 PM   
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Perhaps I don't understand what you mean by a pro. It seems to me that if I pay a woman to spank me, then she is a pro. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that she knows what she is doing -- it just means she charges a fee for a service.

Now you are saying that true pros don't advertise on CM. My question is why not, and if not where? How would I go about finding what you consider to be a pro domme?



I don't rely on CM for advertising because the profile will get pulled over and over again at the slightest mention of being a pro-anything. :P

Besides, it makes no since to advertise a professional type of service, on a relationship site. Eros and MaxFicht are a bit better for that.


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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 8/28/2008 5:03:23 PM   
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And, the reality that it's clearly a job with a lifespan for most pros - you don't see many women working 30+ years and retiring a pro. The burnout rate is high and a woman's packaging and "look" also has a lifespan, like it or not.





Not necessarily so. A good pro-domme can work that long and retire. It is a skill not entirely based on looks or age.




Wouldn't you say that's the exception to the rule, not the norm?  How many 55 year old femdoms are there compared to those in their 20s and 30s?



Depends what we're talking about. If you're talking about ' prostitutes with a whip ' then there are far more young hotties. If you're talking about skilled pro-dommes then I'd say there are more over 40 than under, at least in my market. Then there are the prostitutes who turn to domming to extend their careers, once they know they can't pull against a young chicks looks.


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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 8/29/2008 7:24:47 AM   
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i pay my mistress to see her on a weekly basis ...sometimes twice a week as far as im concerned those are the best hours of my week when im  with her ..yes im divorced ..would love a more full time thing with the right lady of course  the chemistry we have together is amazing ..she is a awesome woman indeed  i always classify a pro dom as a lady who charges for her services ..some ladys no sex is available and i respect that ..other women sex happens and can be wonderfull indeed ...once the door closes and the clothes come off what happens then between 2 consenting adults is up to them  been seeing her now over 7 plus years and our bodily fluids have bonded quite well thank you the lady is amazing  some pro doms are not worth the price but when you find the one that is ..that can be truly priceless in my book ..have fun ..mal


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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 8/29/2008 9:10:16 AM   
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thank you Ms Rouge  hugs mal

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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 8/29/2008 2:09:48 PM   
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Mistress Rogue,

Nice work on your web site,  http://www.clips4sale.com/store/13392    

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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 8/30/2008 8:01:38 AM   
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Mistress Rogue,

Nice work on your web site,  http://www.clips4sale.com/store/13392    

LadySunn



Thankyou LadySunn, and I am a rogue too lol :)

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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 9/3/2008 7:03:24 PM   
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Ahh... I agree with this post whole-heartedly. As a Pro-Domme myself, I am often unimpressed with the amount of advertisements and posts for "True Goddesses" and "Princesses" who are pretending to be Mistresses only specializing in financial slavery. Hahahaha... The banners often have a picture of a young girl in a G-String, flashing her behind as if she were in a hip hop video. This, to me, does not show Dominance at all. You are showing that you're a piece of ass that can be bought.

Money-wise, Pro-Dommes have their place in BDSM, as do lifestylers. I agree with the OP that our clientele consist of people who are unable, unwilling or ashamed to put BDSM in their personal lives. The 'Mistressing Industry' thrives because I think it's easier for a woman to ask her partner "Honey, spank me, I've been a naughty girl" while dressed in a schoolgirl outfit, than for a man, who thanks to gender roles, feels he has to be dominant to be masculine, and cannot express his sexuality because he might be labeled a 'fag', 'homo', 'pussy'.

I don't think monetary compensation is unreasonable, and I don't think our prices are, either. When you think about it, sexual professionals have to make a lot of sacrifices. Being labeled by the law as a prostitute is one of those sacrifices, people automatically assuming that you have sex for money is another one. Relationships can be strained and broken, and for those who aren't open about their profession, there's a lot of lying and question-dodging as well. Many Pro-Dommes have also been 'outed' about their profession to vindictive, spiteful people. I, myself, was outed to my partner's parents, by his ex-girlfriend. The list of cons to being a Pro-Domme is often long, because BDSM is still taboo, prostitution is still taboo (and I guess in many countries, illegal).

This also doesn't include the fact that the price for a Pro-Domme includes her skill, her training, the fact that she is catering to your needs rather than her own, her medical, legal and safety knowledge that keeps the client okay to go home,  in session, she has to be switched on mentally at all times, that she can make all your fantasies come true without marking you suspiciously, that she is on shift (if she works from a dungeon/brothel) and is never guaranteed a client. If she misses a day of work, she doesn't get sick pay, etc, etc.

As for the prostitute thing people have brought up... Although under the law, I am a prostitute, I don't consider myself one since I'm not paid to have sex!

On the other end of the scale and slightly off topic, I loathe clients who come in thinking that all their wildest fantasies are going to come true. Apparently, Pro-Dommes are mind readers too! Yes, Pro-Dommes can often realize your fantasies and fetishes, but I don't know the exact wording of what you want said to you, or the exact order you want things. Nor can I magically make chemistry appear between us if there isn't any! How can I gauge whether or not you enjoy the session if you make no noise? And to top it all off, no matter how sternly I tell my sub to say "Mercy" if things get too heavy for him, he still never says it and I have to ask, "slave, is that a mercy?" before I get a quick nod!

It isn't like we know our clients on a personal level, with the exception of long-term slaves. Many clients are people who we are seeing for the first time, and we have to hit the ground running, making the best with the little information we are given. A conversation in the waiting room can often be like this:

"I'd like to try CBT, corporal, some anal play, golden shower and humiliation."
"Excellent, so what would you like to try in those areas?"
"I dunno. Whatever you want, I guess."
"....Okay. How heavy have you had the CBT? Have you tried electrics? Weights? Pegs?"
"Yeah, I think so. Just do whatever you like, I guess."
".........Okay. I'll start off with some really light activities and we can continue from there."

Or better yet, the slave who comes in and tells me he doesn't know what he wants. That's always a winner.

Back on to topic, I always mention that I'm a Professional Domme in my profile - this is not where I get my clientele. The dungeon I work in does plenty of advertising already, so there isn't a need. I think many Pros are on here because they have a genuine interest in BDSM, which is probably why they got into it in the first place! In my experience, watching girls come in and out of the dungeon for years, you simply cannot feign interest or dominance. If girls are just in it for the money, they often fail and leave within a month or two because they get no clientele - clients can *feel* when your headspace isn't right during session.

/end long rant

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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 9/3/2008 7:17:12 PM   
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I used to think that is was perfectly ok for someone to be a pro-Domme; however, this was before I trained a lady and her husband certain roles.
They have a friend, who does not know crap about safety, proper conduct, and exhibing professional knowlege because they don't know it, and they cannot do it.
They will take you on a session for money and do what you want them to do.
That is not how a Dom/me works.
It is just someone trying to make money on a whim.
 
I know there are some good pros out there, but the average one has not been trained or skilled.
 
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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 9/3/2008 7:55:08 PM   
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WOW-thank you for explaining and clarifying even further-every point you made is true, it's just left to the rest of the people on CM to accept the reality.

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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 9/4/2008 6:21:14 AM   
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I used to think that is was perfectly ok for someone to be a pro-Domme; however, this was before I trained a lady and her husband certain roles.
They have a friend, who does not know crap about safety, proper conduct, and exhibing professional knowlege because they don't know it, and they cannot do it.
They will take you on a session for money and do what you want them to do.
That is not how a Dom/me works.
It is just someone trying to make money on a whim.
 
I know there are some good pros out there, but the average one has not been trained or skilled.
 
Regards, MissSCD
 


I agree that there are many below mediocre Mistresses out there - women who promote themselves as being professionals, with little knowledge on correct procedure and safety.

I understand that being Dominant is about control and power, to have someone submit completely to your wishes. I have met submissives that are lifestylers and completely dedicated to their Dominants. I appreciate and respect this. But please understand that not all people have the leisure or personal freedom to live out a B&D lifestyle. Personally, I would love to have more slaves in my life, but am just not in a position to do so.

Taking that into consideration, are people who already have families and partners that are unwilling to accept BDSM, not entitled to enjoy the sexual and psychological release of submission? If a man loves his wife but is too embarassed to ask her to fist him, or to spank him, because in his day to day life, he is the man of the house, the boss at work, and a Dominant in all other aspects of his personal life, is he then expected to give up those things in order to be able to persue BDSM?

And after all this, how do you find a Dominant that enjoys the exact same things you do? What if the Domme you want to serve only wishes to see you some of the time, or too much of the time?

Pros have their place in BDSM, as I mentioned previously. We provide a service to submissives who want to enjoy that part of themselves, but are unable to dedicate themselves completely. They want to realize a fantasy.

Just because I work professionally as a Mistress doesn't mean that I am not a true Dominant. I love BDSM by nature, and consider myself very lucky that I am able to make a career out of it. I also consider myself very lucky to be able to see the vulnerable, secret parts of my submissives' lives, and provide an outlet for them.

I wish people wouldn't diminish the importance of what Pro Dommes and Pro subs do, although I admit that the terms "Mistress" and "Pro" are thrown around some times by people who have no idea what they're doing. But to group all Pros into the same category is like saying all sex workers are drug addicts or all sex workers are uneducated people who have no other way of making money for themselves. It may be true to a small percentage, but cannot be fairly applied to the general populus.

As for the making money argument.. Well.. I'm not sure about other countries, but in good Dungeons over here in Australia, trainees make nothing for the year that they are trained. They go in for free with the Mistresses to observe and assist, then they are assessed. Some dungeons will request clients give a 'tip' to the trainee, and others require the trainee to work for free as a show of commitment to the art.

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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 9/4/2008 6:24:57 AM   
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Been there.  Done that. 
 
I have higher standards for myself as a Domme.  I should have checked your profile before I responded in the first place.  You are very new to CollarMe posting as a pro.  That is suspicious to me.
 
I thought I was always to the left, but your definition definitely defines left.
 
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No more novels of justification please. 
 
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I used to think that is was perfectly ok for someone to be a pro-Domme; however, this was before I trained a lady and her husband certain roles.
They have a friend, who does not know crap about safety, proper conduct, and exhibing professional knowlege because they don't know it, and they cannot do it.
They will take you on a session for money and do what you want them to do.
That is not how a Dom/me works.
It is just someone trying to make money on a whim.
 
I know there are some good pros out there, but the average one has not been trained or skilled.
 
Regards, MissSCD
 


I agree that there are many below mediocre Mistresses out there - women who promote themselves as being professionals, with little knowledge on correct procedure and safety.

I understand that being Dominant is about control and power, to have someone submit completely to your wishes. I have met submissives that are lifestylers and completely dedicated to their Dominants. I appreciate and respect this. But please understand that not all people have the leisure or personal freedom to live out a B&D lifestyle. Personally, I would love to have more slaves in my life, but am just not in a position to do so.

Taking that into consideration, are people who already have families and partners that are unwilling to accept BDSM, not entitled to enjoy the sexual and psychological release of submission? If a man loves his wife but is too embarassed to ask her to fist him, or to spank him, because in his day to day life, he is the man of the house, the boss at work, and a Dominant in all other aspects of his personal life, is he then expected to give up those things in order to be able to persue BDSM?

And after all this, how do you find a Dominant that enjoys the exact same things you do? What if the Domme you want to serve only wishes to see you some of the time, or too much of the time?

Pros have their place in BDSM, as I mentioned previously. We provide a service to submissives who want to enjoy that part of themselves, but are unable to dedicate themselves completely. They want to realize a fantasy.

Just because I work professionally as a Mistress doesn't mean that I am not a true Dominant. I love BDSM by nature, and consider myself very lucky that I am able to make a career out of it. I also consider myself very lucky to be able to see the vulnerable, secret parts of my submissives' lives, and provide an outlet for them.

I wish people wouldn't diminish the importance of what Pro Dommes and Pro subs do, although I admit that the terms "Mistress" and "Pro" are thrown around some times by people who have no idea what they're doing. But to group all Pros into the same category is like saying all sex workers are drug addicts or all sex workers are uneducated people who have no other way of making money for themselves. It may be true to a small percentage, but cannot be fairly applied to the general populus.

As for the making money argument.. Well.. I'm not sure about other countries, but in good Dungeons over here in Australia, trainees make nothing for the year that they are trained. They go in for free with the Mistresses to observe and assist, then they are assessed. Some dungeons will request clients give a 'tip' to the trainee, and others require the trainee to work for free as a show of commitment to the art.

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RE: Defining what exactly is a "Pro Domme" - 9/4/2008 6:33:43 AM   
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No need to be unpleasant, we can just agree to disagree. I have complete respect for lifestyle Dommes, I just don't understand why lifestylers can't show the same courtesy for pros.

If you would like to debate a topic, it can be done without making personal assumptions of the person you're arguing with.

I may be new to CollarMe, but that doesn't mean started B&D the first time I logged on to the site.

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