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cyberdude611 -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 9:54:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I thought it was an electrifying speech, powerfully delivered: we were moved to tears.



Oh my god....

I dont believe a politician could ever move me to tears.

Obama's speeches are extrodinary in that he can say so much as well as nothing at all at the same time. He makes promise, after promise, after promise. Yet says absolutely nothing on how he is going to make it work.

Healthcare for everyone! OK.....Great! How? You cant cut taxes and then put together a socialist healthcare system like that. We dont have the money. We dont have any other source of income to pay for it. It wont work. So one way or another....a promise is going to be broken there.



scifi1133 -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 10:00:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Well Thadius, I listened intently to the speech.
I thought it was one of the best speeches I have heard from him.
He put a few of my fears to rest {like NOT raising taxes for the middle class}, and
cutting or eliminating tax breaks for all the companies that are closing and going
to other countries for cheap labor.

I thought he did a great job talking about issues that most Americans are very
concerned about!

Again, I thought the speech was fantastic.

Read my lips. No new taxes.
said by a republican....lol. Look all politicians say this and all of them lie about it. Obama is not going to be able to make the sweeping changes he refers to without raising taxes. Nor would anyone. I am not going to attack the man for not being qualified or for for being a polititian, but all of them say this.
You can't cut taxes but have more money.
Doesn't work.



Owner59 -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 10:02:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Senator Obama is a very good speaker, no doubt. I would be willing to drink the kool-aide if he would take one of the many things he has promissed to do, and explain how he intends to make it reality. He can even pick the promise.
 
Then again, I did have my tires checked and one needed a little air, and gas prices have been dropping ever since. [;)]


Nope. Bush gets the credit for the drop.

McCrusty says so.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/23/mccain-give-bush-credit-for-oil-price-drop/




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caitlyn -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 10:05:31 PM)

Dude ... don't be so cynical. Look how well the air in my tires worked, and that's only the first step ... from now on, motorists will only drive downhill.
 
Healthcare ... just as simple. There will be a 40% reduction in people getting sick.



Vendaval -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 10:08:45 PM)

LMAO!!!  Good to see you posting in political threads more often. Are you Dr. Caitlyn yet or head of your own department?  [:D]


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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Dude ... don't be so cynical. Look how well the air in my tires worked, and that's only the first step ... from now on, motorists will only drive downhill.
 
Healthcare ... just as simple. There will be a 40% reduction in people getting sick.



KneelforAnne -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 10:10:49 PM)

Hello Thadius,

If You said that You would end all violence against women, i would have to wonder what you call violence.  That is what popped into my head first. 

Perhaps You were thinking i would ask HOW?  *smiles*

That may have been my next question, but i think what You wrote may have given it away...*laughs*



Owner59 -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 10:15:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Dude ... don't be so cynical. Look how well the air in my tires worked, and that's only the first step ... from now on, motorists will only drive downhill.
 
Healthcare ... just as simple. There will be a 40% reduction in people getting sick.


Downhill ?... damm it!


Why didn`t I think of that?!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I have the GOP health care plan.


Don`t get sick.....[8|] 



Thadius -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 10:20:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KneelforAnne

Hello Thadius,

If You said that You would end all violence against women, i would have to wonder what you call violence.  That is what popped into my head first. 

Perhaps You were thinking i would ask HOW?  *smiles*

That may have been my next question, but i think what You wrote may have given it away...*laughs*


You actually raise the second question that I have, and that is the what do you define X as? [;)]



caitlyn -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 10:21:01 PM)

Actually, the GOP has wonderful healthcare ... the best we could pay for. [;)]



cyberdude611 -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 10:28:00 PM)

When I listen to Obama, I feel like my intelligence is being insulted. I dont need a politician to tell what the problems are. Im interested in solutions and plans. And Obama refuses to talk about that.

The other day someone from the Obama campaign said on TV that Obama supports raising the minimum wage to $9.50 an hour in order to help the working class pay the bills. And I wanted to throw something at the guy! I know small business owners who will go out of business if that passes. Maybe that rate would work for California or New York. But in small towns or in rural states with lower cost of living, that could be catastrophic to local economies.

You see, these Democrats dont think about the small business owner or the small guy out there trying to make a living. They are only looking for a way to stick it to mega-companies like Wal-Mart. But remember that these companies will simply adapt by cutting their payroll. A small business owner cant do that...he'll just go out of business.



Owner59 -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 10:29:41 PM)

"And Obama refuses to talk about that."


Or someone,..... refuses to listen......



TheHeretic -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 10:46:36 PM)

       A damn fine speech.  A missed opportunity as well, but he didn't blow it completely.



meatcleaver -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 10:56:10 PM)

His talk of ending the war in Iraq and defeating the Taliban in Afghanistan seemed fanciful since no country has ever won in Afghanistan and NATO isn't doing very well there, just taking the same land over and over again ad infinitum.



Thadius -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 11:02:32 PM)

From tonights speech:
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I argued for more resources and more troops to finish the fight against the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11 and made clear that we must take out Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants if we have them in our sights.


From last August:
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Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama came under fire Tuesday for saying that U.S. troops in Afghanistan are "just air-raiding villages and killing civilians."


And May:

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18862112/
"Enough is enough," Obama, an Illinois senator, declared, adding that President Bush should not get "a blank check to continue down this same, disastrous path."

Although they appeased the Democratic base, Clinton, Obama and Dodd did open themselves up to criticism from Republicans that they were denying 165,000 troops the resources they need - an argument that could be damaging in a general election.


Their votes Thursday night continued a shift in position for the two presidential hopefuls, both of whom began the year shunning a deadline for a troop withdrawal.


Obama wasn't in the Senate in 2002. But he, like Clinton, prominently shunned earlier proposals to set a fixed timetable for an end to the war only to vote to advance last week's bill that included a date to bring home troops.


You know all that political expediancy stuff....  Let's invade Pakistan and get that Osama guy in his cave, know what I mean? [;)]



Owner59 -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 11:20:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

From tonights speech:
quote:

I argued for more resources and more troops to finish the fight against the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11 and made clear that we must take out Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants if we have them in our sights.


From last August:
quote:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama came under fire Tuesday for saying that U.S. troops in Afghanistan are "just air-raiding villages and killing civilians."


And May:

quote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18862112/
"Enough is enough," Obama, an Illinois senator, declared, adding that President Bush should not get "a blank check to continue down this same, disastrous path."

Although they appeased the Democratic base, Clinton, Obama and Dodd did open themselves up to criticism from Republicans that they were denying 165,000 troops the resources they need - an argument that could be damaging in a general election.


Their votes Thursday night continued a shift in position for the two presidential hopefuls, both of whom began the year shunning a deadline for a troop withdrawal.


Obama wasn't in the Senate in 2002. But he, like Clinton, prominently shunned earlier proposals to set a fixed timetable for an end to the war only to vote to advance last week's bill that included a date to bring home troops.


You know all that political expediancy stuff....  Let's invade Pakistan and get that Osama guy in his cave, know what I mean? [;)]


As Biden pointed out,soldiers don`t lose wars,bad policy does.I`ll add,bad leadership also loses wars.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080828/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan


Obama wasn`t talking about our soldiers.He was talking about and criticizing their leaders.

Completely legitimate and sorely needed



MrRodgers -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/28/2008 11:40:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SilverWulf
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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Can somebody please define for me what is considered working families?

Isn't that pretty much everyone in the country who is part of a family?

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If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.


Nice way to shoot self in foot... love it

As for the first point...working families are all those 10's of millions of families that NEED to have 2 or more work just to make ends meet...like back in the day.

Soon we will be pulling all family members out of school like back in the day, to go to work. Then every family member will be working...you know, when we finally are rich.

The second point could be said of any new pair of candidates for office when the encumbent is not running.



Celeres -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/29/2008 12:18:04 AM)

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What would you say if I promised to end all violence against women in the next 5 years?


More power to you? Only kidding of course. I know he's been promising these things and other similar stuff these past 6 months. We expect a lot from the President of the United States, however there are many things that can get caught up politically. For instance, say that Sen. Obama does get elected into office, how does he intend to give a tax cut to 95% of the working class? Or how does he intend to give students a $4,000 tax credit? Answer: Congress. the president doesn't have legislative responsibilities and all he can do is work "with" Congress. It wasn't so long ago that President Clinton shut down the federal government because he couldn't agree with Congress. Just because Sen. Obama promises he'll work toward these things, doesn't mean that it will actually happen.

But look on the other side of the token. Is McCain really who we, as Americans in the 21st century, really want as our Commander in Chief? I'll be the first to admit that my political ideologies have become more centralist and moderate than 4 years ago, but I still shudder to think what American might look like under the leadership of McCain. He's got a tough battle ahead of him, primarily trying to show his differences between himself and President G.W. Bush. And from what I've seen, McCain has also promised to do many things. Shall we hang Obama because he doesn't know what the future will bring or shall we give Obama the chance to figure out how he plans to get his legislative goals met by working with Congress? Heck, I don't even know what I'm doing for lunch tomorrow, let alone my goals for my next 4 years. (Then again, I'm more of a procrastinator and not very "presidential").

But, I digress. I strongly believe in Obama not for what he has "said" but for the energy and character he has personified these last couple of months. In 2000, McCain ran for president but lost the nomination to G.W. Bush. Now he's running again--at the age of 72 (since today is technically his birthday)--because he was second best to G.W. Bush? The Republican Party didn't believe in him 8 years ago, what has changed these last 8 years?

So, to answer your question Thadius, I have no idea "how" Sen. Obama can possibly live up to all of his promises. And being as young as he is, he is BOUND to make mistakes. As far as I'm concerned, I do believe that Obama would be a better candidate to work with the disposition of Congress at this point in time. I have no clue what may happen tomorrow or the year after. But from where I'm standing... that's all I have to say. =)

--Celeres

P.S. I strongly apologize if I've offended anyone but it is just my opinion on the matter.



Celeres -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/29/2008 12:48:04 AM)

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When I listen to Obama, I feel like my intelligence is being insulted. I dont need a politician to tell what the problems are. Im interested in solutions and plans. And Obama refuses to talk about that.


I think you're giving too much credit to non-politically active people among us in our communities. I actually like the fact that Obama isn't talking about the pie in the sky and is breaking things down to the most basic level. A lot of people who aren't interested in politics or the presidency (usually the ones who don't vote), do not vote or care because they do not think they fully grasp the problems or issues. (I'm talking very generally right now that is). When the primaries came up some odd 5-6 months ago, I tried to get my college friends to go vote. It wasn't out of laziness or forgetfulness that they didn't go vote. It was for 1 of 2 reasons (in reference to my friends): 1) lack of knowledge on the propositions/campaign platforms of the candidates, or 2) politics is a taboo and "boring" subject to discuss over a cup of over-priced Starbucks and thus, voting (by association) is just "uncool"

Again, just my 2-cents from what i've observed from my friends

--Celeres



popeye1250 -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/29/2008 1:07:05 AM)

The reason I don't like Obama is because he's too much of a Leftist weenie.
If we caught Bin Laden alive Obama would want to give him a "trial!"
And he'd make sure he had a muslim bible in his jail cell!
McCain would attach a chain around Bin Laden's neck attached to a 200 pound block and give him a kick and push him right into the pit at "Alligator Adventure."



meatcleaver -> RE: Obama's speech. (8/29/2008 1:10:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

The reason I don't like Obama is because he's too much of a Leftist weenie.
If we caught Bin Laden alive Obama would want to give him a "trial!"
And he'd make sure he had a muslim bible in his jail cell!
McCain would attach a chain around Bin Laden's neck attached to a 200 pound block and give him a kick and push him right into the pit at "Alligator Adventure."


You're a joker popeye, the Republicans have had seven years to capture Bin Laden and spent most of that time fighting the wrong war.



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