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slvemike4u -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/29/2008 4:05:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Yes FatDomDaddy he had RFK tap MLK ,he feared the political problems King could cause him if he pushed too hard,not in an attempt to silence MLK but more in an attempt to "manage"the movement so as not to get out too far in front of what was politically possible at the time. Why do Democrats always want to manage Black People? FDD this is the early 60's and Kennedy is a progressive President with a civil rights movement exploding across the country.While obstructionist Southern Senators are waiting to block any Civil Rights bill put forth,I don't necessarily agree with the wire tapping of a private citizen(see Bush administation)it would seem to be the prudent thing (if not out and out wrong)and pragmatic

MrRodgers -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/29/2008 4:10:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I'm from Boston, Mass origionally and I don't think JFK was a "great" President. He was probably a little below average. Had he lived they'd have been protesting him for Vietnam instead of LBJ. Vietnam sucked! I lost a cousin there. Another is on 100% disability because of it. Another guy I know got shot in the face and it took out the roof of his mouth and most of his upper teeth. And a friend's brother was the last Marine and military person killed in Vietnam. I narrowly missed getting sent there. To "stop communism?" In S.E. Asia? Who cares? Fuck 'Em! That's why we shouldn't allow our govt to get involved in other countries problems! "Darfur? Just say No!" Fuck JFK and fuck LBJ! Actually I don't like to second guess but I essentially blame JFK for our first substantial expedition to VN and out of what many thought was a show of manhood toward the soviets. I also blame LBJ for buying the whole Gulf of Tonkin B/S and the subsequent build-up. I lost several buddies some of which either enlisted in the marines or were drafted. A close family member also flew a chopper and managed over 700 sorties without getting scratch. Another buddy was shot clean through on 3 seperate occassions by snipers...got noth'n but meat...LUCKY !! Another was an FO (forward observer) that at 24 yrs old had made E5, twice awarded Army Cross came home without a scratch, collected his uniform and awards, burned and buried it all. Three were killed one by his own chopper in a dip and never set foot on the ground. Yes, Viet Nam just might go down as this country's worst human and financial foreign policy fiasco of all time and may be the long term, historical legacy of John F. Kennedy. Too many want to dismiss all of this in the pomp and storybook of only 1000 days in office even though he wanted to get out of VN in what was going to be his 2nd admin. What should also be remembered and looked at by future historians is the revelation that JFK had to have experienced when he gave that 5 min. speech 'that got him killed' and ask themselves to look back further and with a keen eye as to whether it...did just that. Recall...at the time of taking office, the CIA was operating inside the US in direct violation of it charter. Kennedy sent out the FBI to close them all down and started to piss off a whole lotta the wrong people. E Howard Hunt, Geroge H. W. Bush and Richard Nixon et al among them. I think it did because I also believe JFK was going to blow the whistle on the govt./industrialist/banking interests and their aim for complete financial control of western civilization now currently and successfully embarked upon and especially with these neocons playing ball as co-conspirators.

NumberSix -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/29/2008 4:12:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Ok, I've heard about enough of this crap. Why would anyone think that John F Kennedy ranked as "a great President"? Firm PS. As a side issue ... anyone else noticed that many the threads that seem to cast Obama in a negative light end up deleted or moved to Polls and Random Stupidity? He spent the best part of his time soliciting blowjobs, and didn't fuck too much with the constitution, or press too much ideology, and didn't take alotta interest in how you fucked, or what went on in your house. That made him 'GREAT'. Do you want to explain how a doddering old fool of a movie star, who started the largest debt climb and expansion of govenment could be considered great? Ron

windchymes -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/29/2008 4:47:04 PM)
JFK was kind of a hottie.....[;)]

NumberSix -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/29/2008 4:50:40 PM)
Well, there is evidence to the contrary. Angie Dickenson said he wasn't much of a fuck. But she took advantage of her celebrity to make efficient and 'superior' use of her 'vena cava' Dr. Mengele

windchymes -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/29/2008 4:55:20 PM)
Hell hath no fury..... Not much of a fuck? Not surprising.....between his family and his in-laws....the sphincters don't get much tighter [:D]

FatDomDaddy -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/29/2008 6:32:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u FDD this is the early 60's and Kennedy is a progressive President with a civil rights movement exploding across the country.While obstructionist Southern Senators are waiting to block any Civil Rights bill put forth, You left out that those Southern Senators were Progressive Populist Democrats

slvemike4u -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/29/2008 6:39:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u FDD this is the early 60's and Kennedy is a progressive President with a civil rights movement exploding across the country.While obstructionist Southern Senators are waiting to block any Civil Rights bill put forth, You left out that those Southern Senators were Progressive Populist Democrats Again FDD this was the 60's,why a mere couple of years previous to passage of the momentous Civil Rights Act and the Voting Registration Act LBJ would have been the Majority Whip of those obstructionist's.But of course this was all a couple of political generations ago,and a few years before the Republican Party devised their brilliant political strategy of code-word bigotry which they referred to as States Rights issues....

LookieNoNookie -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/29/2008 6:42:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Ok, I've heard about enough of this crap. Why would anyone think that John F Kennedy ranked as "a great President"? Because he was killed. He was a martyr. He did nothing at all spectacular...and as history has more than adequately shown, he negotiated behind the scenes for every single parade of "Democracy" that he's known for (Turkey, for one...there are multiple others). I'm a Republican (hesitantly so), and I'd love for history to be as we've been told....but it ain't so. Nor is the Kennedy lore. He was a good President...hardly a great one....and he fucked every skirt that stared him down. Not exactly the kind of "honorable man" I'd prefer to set precedent by. Certainly not history....as I've been taught it should be told. (Then again...I prefer truth).

popeye1250 -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/29/2008 6:44:22 PM)
Angie Dickinson said that JFK was, "The best two minutes I ever had." MrRogers, we need to END this "world policeman" "intervention in foreign countries problems" crap! It's NOT part of the federal government's job description to be doing it! They can show all the "starving children" commercials they want, "I don't c-a-r-e!" The people in "Darfur" and all the other shit pits who are trying to get us involved in their problems can go fuck themselves! I had a CPO in the Coast Guard who was on CG gunboats in the Mekong Delta for 13 months in heavy combat and never got a scratch. ("I joined the Coast Guard so I wouldn't have to go to Vietnam; guess where they sent my ass?") My cousin was in the Army and there only three weeks when he got it. One guy from my city got it the very first day he was there.

Alumbrado -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/29/2008 6:51:20 PM)
'State's rights' as code for segregation was the 1950s device of Democrat legislatures passing resolutions denying Brown v. board of Education... and later the mantra of George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Asa Earl Carter, et al.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/30/2008 12:28:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u FDD this is the early 60's and Kennedy is a progressive President with a civil rights movement exploding across the country.While obstructionist Southern Senators are waiting to block any Civil Rights bill put forth, You left out that those Southern Senators were Progressive Populist Democrats Again FDD this was the 60's,why a mere couple of years previous to passage of the momentous Civil Rights Act and the Voting Registration Act LBJ would have been the Majority Whip of those obstructionist's.But of course this was all a couple of political generations ago,and a few years before the Republican Party devised their brilliant political strategy of code-word bigotry which they referred to as States Rights issues.... Mike... The only reason the Civil Rights act of 1964 was past was because of REPUBLICANS. But you knew that dind't you.

NumberSix -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/30/2008 12:50:34 AM)
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, not only no, but FUCK no. The resson it was passed is because Lyndon Johnson damn near went down and personally broke peoples arms in that congress. Robert Byrd, (a democrat) filibustered for days............ however; The Senate filibuster was overcome through the floor leadership of Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, the support of President Lyndon Johnson, and the efforts of Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen of Illinois, in convincing Republicans to support the bill. it lay in judiciary commitee limbo, until Mike Mansfield (d) Montana under pressure from Lyndon, and Hubert Humphrey (d) MN vp of the united fucking states, ignored senate rules and moved it without further consideration for vote. Ranking dems and reps alike didnt want the bill passed but Lyndon did (it was introduced by president Kennedy in June 63) the fuck the republicans championed it or passed it out of some wanna. like everyone else they went kicking and screaming and it would have been signed into law by Lyndon Johnson with or without the congress, regardless of the law, so dont take any credit for anything, especially something that you and yours tried to defeat. 6

FatDomDaddy -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/30/2008 12:54:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NumberSix uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, not only no, but FUCK no. The Senate filibuster was overcome through the floor leadership of Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, the support of President Lyndon Johnson, and the efforts of Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen of Illinois, in convincing Republicans to support the bill. So... without Republican vote, it would have failed.

NumberSix -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/30/2008 1:02:14 AM)
Yeah, I guess if you want to take it to that thin of a slice, they had as much to do with it as you do advising economic policy at the FAO. Sure.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/30/2008 1:49:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u FDD this is the early 60's and Kennedy is a progressive President with a civil rights movement exploding across the country.While obstructionist Southern Senators are waiting to block any Civil Rights bill put forth, You left out that those Southern Senators were Progressive Populist Democrats Do you actually know anything about the South? Populist, maybe/ Progressive, hardly. Democrats? In name only. Southern "Democrats" are now the Republican base. They joined the republicans because the Dems were trying to shove "Integration" down their throats, and these proud crackers weren't about to let any Yankee tell them what to do. My ex-wife's father had dealings with that Wallace family,. especially George's brother. Something about paying bribes that were disguised as 25K "insurance" policies. Anyway, the Yellow-Dogs went en-masse to the Republican party because the repubs understood that whole "race thing". Still do. The Repubs got the Nascar Gomers because, in the shadows, they pander to the "States' Rights, Southern Baptist mentality. You all can believe what you want, but the Republican "base" in the South is White Supremacist, Stars n Bars decals, God/Guns/Guts Scots/Irish rednecks. [Mod Note: violations removed]

slvemike4u -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/30/2008 6:44:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado 'State's rights' as code for segregation was the 1950s device of Democrat legislatures passing resolutions denying Brown v. board of Education... and later the mantra of George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Asa Earl Carter, et al. And the "Southern Strategy" was the Republican code word for their bigoted wooing of the white southern vote post LBJ .The point being the Republican party has niether cared nor concerned itself with wooing the black vote in almost 40years...and as a consequence complaining that Black's in large numbers will be voting for Obama solely based on his skin color is misleading.In large part they vote Democrat since LBJ and given the tenor and the platform of the Republican party that wasn't about to change

MidMichCowboy -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/30/2008 6:55:14 AM)
What were major accomplishments of John F. Kennedy. In 3 years: 1. Gave a renewed sense of national pride and purpose to us all, most especially the "Baby Boomers". 2. The Space Program, and all the scientific endeavors that stemmed from that. 3. Raised our esteem among Nations, with such programs as "The Peace Corps", which showed the world the compassionate side of America. 4. Raised the Standards of our public school's performance. 5. Began the decline of communism, when he faced them down during the Cuban Missile crisis. 6. Led the first successful attack on a national scale against organized crime. 7. He did get an increased minimum wage, better Social Security benefits, and an urban renewal package passed through congress. 8. On the Civil Rights front, he used executive orders and personal appeals to aid the movement. His legislative programs, however, would not pass until after his death.

Alumbrado -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/30/2008 12:43:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado 'State's rights' as code for segregation was the 1950s device of Democrat legislatures passing resolutions denying Brown v. board of Education... and later the mantra of George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Asa Earl Carter, et al. And the "Southern Strategy" was the Republican code word for their bigoted wooing of the white southern vote post LBJ .The point being the Republican party has niether cared nor concerned itself with wooing the black vote in almost 40years...and as a consequence complaining that Black's in large numbers will be voting for Obama solely based on his skin color is misleading.In large part they vote Democrat since LBJ and given the tenor and the platform of the Republican party that wasn't about to change Used to vote Democrat... minorities are leaving the plantation, reservation, barrio, etc. So now both party's strategists appear to be employing the equally patronizing 'Hey look, we got us a minoruhtee too' so famously skewered by Bill Cosby, and then bizarrely brought to life by the surreal effect of partisan politics. The irony of doing so while at the same time mocking the other party's minorities for their differences from the status quo, seems to have escaped them.

MrRodgers -> RE: John F. Kennedy (8/30/2008 10:42:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Angie Dickinson said that JFK was, "The best two minutes I ever had." MrRogers, we need to END this "world policeman" "intervention in foreign countries problems" crap! I had a CPO in the Coast Guard who was on CG gunboats in the Mekong Delta for 13 months in heavy combat and never got a scratch. ("I joined the Coast Guard so I wouldn't have to go to Vietnam; guess where they sent my ass?") My cousin was in the Army and there only three weeks when he got it. One guy from my city got it the very first day he was there. To clarify...I agree. Time for America to come home. That's why I do like McCains's idea of a 'League of Democracies' as long as that is what it would truly be and even then...any threat must be real and every member contributes all they can to get it done and get out. No more UN-like fascists sympathizers merely trying to codify their own belligerence. Africa is simply not worth it and in fact I think remains a threat while still in its fascist/kleptocrat era. All oil is nationlized and financing despotic splendor and worse. The only thing left is, if the powers that be do in fact need for us to be the world's policeman because it is very porfitable.

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