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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 11/29/2005 12:44:41 AM   
UtopianRanger


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Hey Ranger, I went the way of clubs and gyms, and I was all hot to trot all fired up to go go go go and then it fizzled out and I was stuck paying for a service I didn't want to go to and resenting it. Maybe if I could get a deal where you payed for what you used.


Feline....

As I read through your posts, I see and believe that you have experienced at least some hurt {physical/mental} from being overweight.
You also have a fairly good idea as to ''what'' you need to do about it. The problem I see you having is, once you've made the decision and start the process, whether it be a gym, walking, curves, etc., you don't have the sustained motivation to keep it going.

Now... the lack of sustained motivation could be a result of many things, but it's my bet that while you know that being overweight has somewhat contributed to your lack of happiness/fulfilledness, it just hasn't gotten to the point where the the hurt/pain is so unbearable that you can't afford not to make changes.

You need to trick your mind into believing that the consequences from lack of motivation/ follow-through will be so great, that you just have to bite the bullet and get out there and put the effort out.

My suggestion is to go over to the local high school track, three or four hours after school gets out. With no expectations, start walking around the track and see how many laps you can walk before your feet, knees or any other body parts start to really hurt. Push yourself but don't hurt yourself.

Lets say you are able to walk just four laps {One mile}, make sure the next night you do the same or an extra half lap. Your motivation will build on your success. Set some goals for yourself, and tell your mind that by the end of two weeks walking, you want to be walking ten laps! Continue to up the ante and don't think about actual weight loss or addition/subtraction of pounds.

Think about fitness in terms of strength and endurance and continue to set goals and up the ante. I promise you, if you set some goals in accordance to strength and endurance, you'll see the weight come off alot easier.


And by the way..... if you lived closer, I'd help you get started walking at the track.


- The Ranger




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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 11/29/2005 1:31:12 AM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		There's a local walking group here we discoevred in the rec center That's going to be so exciting I think.

No I usualy don't have the motivation to keep it going, nor the support to, My mates skinny so he don't see the point in walking an eating right and such things.


Right now first before any weightloss is decided on I need to be strong enough to walk much. Stamina and endurance is very hard for me some days other than most. walking for me since I carry so much weight an even more so after the two horse riding accidents is stressfull at best impossible to next to at worst.

however I understand that walking daily will strengthen the legs and walking a mere foot or so won't leve me tired.


It's stupid I huff and puff just walking from the store to the car sometimes and it's not that far like a yard or so.


Forget when the car is clear across the lot lol

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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 11/29/2005 10:31:15 PM   
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Having it forced upon you is likely to make you resent your partner or person trying to control your eating.

I asked my Master to help - so he did.

And I started sneaking food. And resenting him because I thought he didn't like the way I looked...

I walk 4km a day now. Everyday. Rain, snow, -30 C.. I do it because it is now habbit. And some days its hard.

I went from 310 to 240 without even knowing it.

I ate what I wanted, when I wanted it. I just made a point to have "one" helping at supper, eating a small bag of chips, having one piece of cake... And lots of water... I've always drank a lot, just drink more now.

I got tired of waiting to lose the weight. I knew what I had to do, I knew I had to do it. I didn't have the motivation either... Then I became the sole caregiver to our very, very enthusiastic dog...

You have to find your motivation... There are mornings when its really, really cold.. And we are both dressed in winter gear... And its always bloody dark.. And some mornings I scare myself, but we go because we have to.. And it's fun, even if I think zombies are chasing me. *lol* (over active imagination)

Just look inside - you can make the choice.. *s*








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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 11/30/2005 1:30:50 AM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		Mystic I have a mate who don't see the point in eating healthy we used to head butt over that a lot, at 1 am he saw nothing wrong with having 10 taco's drenched in cheese and I did lol. Fortunatly our food issues have been worked out lol.


My interest in making it bdsm ish wouldn't exactly be forcing it on me, but yeah I could see how my wishing to have someone who'd give no say in exorcise or not would be "forcing it on myself"


Calling the comunity walking place was a ch oice to help myself, I would get support make friends and havepoeple to walk with. now if he'll only call me back lol./


And people here have been really supportive too!

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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 12/3/2005 11:48:19 PM   
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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 12/4/2005 12:16:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Had it ever occured to you to join a weight loss forum?

I mean, CM has a lot of intelligent and savvy people in it's ranks...

But you ask a lot of weight loss and fitness questions, so I was thinking those might be better suited for a forum on that topic.

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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 12/4/2005 1:47:35 PM   
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Had it ever occured to you to join a weight loss forum?


I have. In fact I sent feline a bunch of links to some on the other side. They do help.

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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 12/4/2005 1:55:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've always found that the best way for me to lose weight has been to keep a journal of everything I eat. I write down each day what I eat and place it into the food group categories. It makes it so easy, that way, to make sure you get enough veggies, fruit, etc. It also makes it really apparent if you are getting too many calories from high and trans fat sources. And drink water, water, water.

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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 12/4/2005 2:31:55 PM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		I have but bdsm would not be apropriate in mainstream forums, and I want bdsm to be a part of my health change plans.

I have already stated earlier that I would do best making it a bdsm thing.


Bdsm is exciting and something I am into where just thinking about it as just plain ew I am fat work out more is not lol.

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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 12/4/2005 3:15:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not a dietician nor am I qualified to offer medical advice. Having said that, however, I will note that my reading and my personal observation is that eating too little can lead to a decrease in weight loss or even in additional weight gain. While this may. at first blush, seem counter-intuitive, it is a result of the way our basic biology functions. When our food intake decreases below a minimal level, our body goes into conservation mode, storing everything. Only when our intake is within normal ranges will we see weight loss function per the equation [caloric intake - caloric usage].
What I've found most often cited as the optimal approach is a diet of healthy foods, such as meat, fish, vegetables, fruit and dairy, in balanced proportions. The diabetic diet, consisting of 3 balanced meals and 3 healthy snacks, works well for many who would otherwise have difficulty with between-meal snacks. A family doctor can refer you to a dietician that can educate you on the realities of healthy eating and explode many of the dieting myths that are so rampant in our society.
My greatest personal challenge in maintaining a healthy lifestyle is my ongoing attraction to unhealthy foods. As much as I love fast food, and I do, it's not healthy to eat it on a regular basis. I love soda pop and chips but they are not healthy foods, as much as I might wish they were. Store-bought sweets and many of the heat-n-serve entrees are short on nutritional value and loaded with excessive amounts of soium and/or sugars.
Although I have found that it is a great challenge to maintain a disciplined approach to my food intake, when I succeed I am rewarded with an increased sense of vitality. When I eat too much fast food or simply don't eat enough healthy foods, I can tell a difference in how my body feels. Luckily I have discovered that, while healthy food may never have the same immediate impact on tastebuds as junkfood, it does taste great once you get accustomed to lesser amounts of sodium and sugars.
A lot of folks want to lose weight but actually need to live a healthier lifestyle. While there are many different ways of taking off a quick 5 or 10 pounds for that special occasion when you need to fit into that little dress that just a bit too snug, radically changing your body shape requires a plan that takes into account your personal physiology and lifestyle. Many times you'll find that, if you want to change your body, you have to change how you live. That's not a popular statement, especially given our society's propensity for band-aid fixes and our inclination for immediate gratification.
One need look no further than Hollywood to see the connection between lifestyle and physique. Those whose livlihoods are tied to their appearances and who have the financial wherewithal to afford the best medical science has to offer routinely procure the services of both dieticians and personal trainers. Exercise is only half of the battle, eating right is the other half. Even then, not everyone is born to wear a size 5 nor would everyone look proportionate.
Personally, I want to look and feel my best. For me that means I need to keep my schedule arranged so that I eat a home-cooked meal at least 4 or 5 nights a week and I need to balance my soda intake with a proportionate amount of water. I eat more veggies than I prefer and I keep my chips and snack cake binges to a minimum.
Shopping, luckily, is something that toy was taught to do as an unmentionable so I've had the advantage of learning from someone with experience. As it turns out, the unprepared foods needed to cook healthy meals is actually cheaper than buying frozen meals. Initally stocking the kitchen did require a bit of an investment in pots, pans, utensils, spices and basic foodstuffs, such as flour, breadcrumbs and other miscellaneous, but, over the course of the last year, my grocery bill has shrank.
Those who have little or no time to actually cook will most likely find it extremely difficult to make wholesale dietary changes but if you have an hour a day it's amazing what you can accomplish. Eating healthier is not more expensive and the result is worth the pangs of withdrawal. As you begin to feel healthier it has a profound psychological effect that permeates your entire life.
Timothy

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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 12/4/2005 4:12:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, The pangs of withdrawl really are not to bad for me. Because junk is not a huge part of my life. I can quite happily go 7 months with out candy, Or eating popcorn.


Foods not my issue the weight is lol. Exorcising, being mobile being healthy being ative being motivated. I feel more irritation, depression, angst, not pleasent feelings about exorcise than I do controlling of the food.


It's an oxy moron. I am tired of being fat, but I don't care to do anything about it usualy. I am tired of being un motivated, but at my very worst I AM UNMOTIVATED. I am tired of being tired of being...........


And I try very hard to have the where withall to change it, Ie searching out friends to go walk with, or even just my dog. It's the day day to day to day to motivation. I really don't feel cheated with food cause I don't eat much to give up. now if I ate out everyday had coffe everyday a soda 4 times a day ect ect ect then I would have a problem monitering food issues.

I do agree with every one here though bout it's not the food alone it's the TYPES of food

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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 12/5/2005 12:18:57 AM   
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I've always found that the best way for me to lose weight has been to keep a journal of everything I eat. I write down each day what I eat and place it into the food group categories. It makes it so easy, that way, to make sure you get enough veggies, fruit, etc. It also makes it really apparent if you are getting too many calories from high and trans fat sources. And drink water, water, water.


Very smart! I have a friend that keeps a journal like this. He can go back and tell you what he had for lunch, two years to the day and hour. He's an animal, and never skimps when it comes eating right




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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 12/5/2005 7:41:26 AM   
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Bdsm is exciting and something I am into where just thinking about it as just plain ew I am fat work out more is not lol.
Heh, I can think a of quite a few interesting things...

Metabolism can be trained just like anything, but there is always pain involved - in this case, the hunger pangs when you atempt to resrict your caloric intake - but ingesting fewer calories causes your metabolism to become more efficient, and squeeze more nutrition out those calories, and a faster metabolism will burn fat. Excercise keeps blood pumping to the muscles so that they are not consumed before the fat is.

One way to get started is sort of a macrobiotic approach, you can eat fairly massive quantites of Brown rice and veggies and it's a diet I recommend for anyone with, er, appetites.

Simply cut down on the meat, 6 or 8 ounces of lean meat with your rice and veggies. I
if you saute the rice in a bit of Olive oil before you boil it, it won't come out all gummy - just a bit, less than a teaspoon, and stir it up good to get a thin coating of oil on every grain - too much will inhibit the absorbtion of the water, and it'll come out tough.

Try Tamari on it, tases much better than generic soy sauce, or pan fry some chicken, skim off the oil and make gravy from the drippings - most chicken can be gently fried without oil at a low heat, it secretes it's own oil - now about those squat thrusts...

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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 12/5/2005 7:52:21 AM   
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I've always found that the best way for me to lose weight has been to keep a journal of everything I eat. I write down each day what I eat and place it into the food group categories. It makes it so easy, that way, to make sure you get enough veggies, fruit, etc. It also makes it really apparent if you are getting too many calories from high and trans fat sources. And drink water, water, water.


Very smart! I have a friend that keeps a journal like this. He can go back and tell you what he had for lunch, two years to the day and hour. He's an animal, and never skimps when it comes eating right

- The Ranger


I keep a similar journal and I can also tell you every single piece of food I've put in my mouth for a little over the last year. And I find that I eat amazingly well.

Aileeen, another important thing to note in the journal is the amount of fiber (read this article to understand why) and dairy (read this article to understand why).

Trust me, I eat a high fibre, relatively high dairy, low fat (no trans fats which is easy as they are now illegal in Canada) and lean cuts of meat for strong proteins and combining that with exercise, it is amazing how the weight is just falling off.

- LA


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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 12/5/2005 9:43:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I couldn't agree more. I have high cholesterol and refuse to go on a statin. I've been attempting to control it through diet and exercise and find that a journal is priceless. Gotta love all that fiber...it's so good for you.

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RE: yet another weight loss topic, no not negative this... - 12/16/2005 1:44:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was trying to figure outy just how much you'd have to eat to fit all 5 of the recomended servings of fruits veggies and other food pyramid servings lol. It's all very confusing to me, and what is considered a " serving size" when you have a whole orange or a whole apple?

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