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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 6:13:28 AM

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I agree with you. The more I hear the Repubican's rhetoric..the more I see where they got their ideas and policies.

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Please don't call him a cowboy. I don't think he has ever ridden a horse or worked with cattle. Call him a Texan or an oilman, but please don't call him a cowboy.

Yea and the more I see this kinda of blatant ignorance, the more I shake my head and wonder. Does anyone really believe people are going to be dumb enough to buy your bs? I mean come on, be realistic here, oh wait, not sure if you can.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 6:28:28 AM

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If anyone took the time to listen to Obama's acceptance speech Thursday night, it was STRONG, it had meat and potatoes on how to deal with the economy, health care, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and much more. It explained who he was and how he felt he was qualified to do the job.

If you go to his website, there are pages of policy doctrine. Most people don't want to take the time to investigate. That is why the 60 second lies masked as political ads work. Take some time people. See what they have voted for and what they have said over time. McCain's campaign has been taken over by the Bush machine. They believe if you say it three times, loudly, then the public will believe it (remember weapons of mass destruction? no global warming? the economy is stronger than ever?)

If people don't want to take the time to educate themselves instead of researching and making educated decisions, they get the government they deserve.

I would respectfully differ with this statement, and feel it's the first club out of the bag used to beat anyone that questions his plans. Lets looks at one plan very quickly.

Energy
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/factsheet_energy_speech_080308.pdf

Senator Obama will require oil companies to give $500 per person and/or $1000 per family in direct relief. How exactly is he planning on doing that? They are not under any obligation to do such a thing, and have a strong enough lobby in Congress to block any such move.

Even if he could manage such a thing ... do the math. Yes, they had record profits, not close to the level that would allow this sort of transfer of funds.

By the way, he is also going to require these same oil companies to invest huge amounts of money in green energy. Once again, how will he manage this, and were will the money come from.

Yes, his plan is detailed. Alice in Wonderland was also very detailed, but was still a work of fiction. This is a plan we will never see.

Go through his plans one after another, and you will find much more of the same ... plans to invest money, without any consideration of where the money will come from.

At least former President Clinton indicated that he would cut the military, close a lot of useless bases, and pay for his programs that way. Agree with that or not ... at least there was a plan in place where people could actually see where the money was going to come from.

So ... I dispute your point about people educating themselves. The people I know that are questioning his plans, are the ones that ARE taking the time to read and listen to them, and NOT the people that are ill-informed.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 6:43:03 AM

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You got it MidMich. He is such a pretender that I don't even know what to call him except thankfully almost gone!

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Now that the reign of the little illiterate cowboy is reaching an end and he can no longer steal elections, now that is something to be thankful for.

Please don't call him a cowboy. I don't think he has ever ridden a horse or worked with cattle. Call him a Texan or an oilman, but please don't call him a cowboy.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 6:44:15 AM

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Why not? People were dumb enough to vote for Bush..twice. wtf?

who does that?

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I agree with you. The more I hear the Repubican's rhetoric..the more I see where they got their ideas and policies.

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ORIGINAL: MidMichCowboy

Please don't call him a cowboy. I don't think he has ever ridden a horse or worked with cattle. Call him a Texan or an oilman, but please don't call him a cowboy.

Yea and the more I see this kinda of blatant ignorance, the more I shake my head and wonder. Does anyone really believe people are going to be dumb enough to buy your bs? I mean come on, be realistic here, oh wait, not sure if you can.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 8:20:16 AM

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I have to take this from history, so please excuse me for being incorrect, but in my reading it seems obvious that the last candidate our party put forward with a serious and defined plan, was former President Clinton, who won two terms. Ever since then our party has focused on a strategy of promises, and "we are not them" philosophy.

One might argue that Clinton only won b/c Perot split the vote, not because he had a more coherent platform. Its not like he won the Oval Office b/c he was trumpeting universal health care (without the particulars) and fiscal responsibility (raising taxes.)

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 8:29:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

Why not? People were dumb enough to vote for Bush..twice. wtf? who does that?

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I agree with you. The more I hear the Repubican's rhetoric..the more I see where they got their ideas and policies.

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ORIGINAL: MidMichCowboy

Please don't call him a cowboy. I don't think he has ever ridden a horse or worked with cattle. Call him a Texan or an oilman, but please don't call him a cowboy.

Yea and the more I see this kinda of blatant ignorance, the more I shake my head and wonder. Does anyone really believe people are going to be dumb enough to buy your bs? I mean come on, be realistic here, oh wait, not sure if you can.

Be careful who you call dumb Aynne,some of us were just bitter and disillusioned at the dawn of the new millenium!!

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 8:37:26 AM

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'Friends don't let friends take French'
Business courses 100% Fluff courses 0%

Yes, its disconcerting to see pride in ignorance, but its a rational response to expensive student loans. The EXPLODING COST of higher education can't help but have an effect on our collective and cultural IQ.

In Europe, higher education is basically free.

Intrestingly, Newsweek had an article on how HARVARD changed its financial aid system to help attract kids from middle class families --- who simply would never apply to HARVARD knowing the tuition costs. Without any middle class students, HARVARD ended up with a skewed student body of mostly rich and poor kids.

I wonder if Americans would trade the IRAQ war for lower tuition costs? The Harvard example to me is a glaring illustration of how Americans do want affordable higher education, just like we want a vibrant free press. As Obama pointed out, we might need government help to get there and a change in our political priorities.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 10:26:01 AM

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This is not about politics but isolationism. While driving yesterday I saw a billboard for a local college:

'Friends don't let friends take French'
Business courses 100% Fluff courses 0%

It shocked me, my first thought was 'what about international business? isn't learning another language important and the concept of it being fluff a bit dangerous?'

........i have to say that i find it hard to believe that such a billboard exists, but as i've never seen you post anything remotely resembling a lie i have to accept it.

Come on you right wingers, how about a comment on this. Surely the idea that such a message is being sent out is worrying in the extreme. After all, French isn't just spoken in France. Quebec and north africa come to mind. Both areas where the US will want to do business.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 10:33:32 AM

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J'nes parle pas Frances.

Anyways, I can't imagine the thinking behind the billboard. Perhaps an attempt at humor, suggesting that they don't have any electives. Who knows? It could even be a commentary on the students themselves, suggesting that they have enough trouble with English.

Just a thought,
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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 10:43:06 AM

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J'nes parle pas Frances.

Anyways, I can't imagine the thinking behind the billboard. Perhaps an attempt at humor, suggesting that they don't have any electives. Who knows? It could even be a commentary on the students themselves, suggesting that they have enough trouble with English.

Just a thought,
Thadius

dw i ddim siarad Francais hefyd.......

.......thanks for the reply Thadius. i agree, it's hard to conceive an honourable reason for such a billboard, but too easy to imagine one that relies on a sense of US isolationism/exclusionism (to borrow HK's neologism).

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 10:49:47 AM

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General point.

You just can't be isolated in (western ) Europe, the borders are open and differing nationalities mix freely. In border regions two nationalities straddle the borders, living in each other's country, people can get news from their neighbouring country (I receive five different national channels), foreign newspapers are able to be purchased in most middle sized cities so politicians are easily found out if they lie on foreign affairs issues. The only exception I can think of is Britain, with many Brits still thinking they aren't part of Europe. Having spent a lot of time in the US, it is very easy to understand how one can be lulled into thinking nowhere else in the world exists because one isn't being constantly reminded by everyday things.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 11:00:58 AM

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"Yes, his plan is detailed. Alice in Wonderland was also very detailed"

You know I really do agree cait. I still would rather see him in the big chair though. McCain seems to think everything is just fine.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 3:35:26 PM

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This thread title makes me want to get branded, or tattooed, or pierced.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 3:46:03 PM

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They need more bling, the elephant symbol has stood them in good stead but the problem is an elephant can be scared by the tiniest of things thus the donkey elephant cartoon was always wrong.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 3:48:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: camille65

This is not about politics but isolationism. While driving yesterday I saw a billboard for a local college:

'Friends don't let friends take French'
Business courses 100% Fluff courses 0%

It shocked me, my first thought was 'what about international business? isn't learning another language important and the concept of it being fluff a bit dangerous?'

........i have to say that i find it hard to believe that such a billboard exists, but as i've never seen you post anything remotely resembling a lie i have to accept it.

Come on you right wingers, how about a comment on this. Surely the idea that such a message is being sent out is worrying in the extreme. After all, French isn't just spoken in France. Quebec and north africa come to mind. Both areas where the US will want to do business.

Just because they called it a college doesn't mean it was one.

It is a very profitable business to open a proprietary trade school, offer only the minimum number of classes to be a clerk in a doctor's office or a seurity guard, stick the name university into the title of the business somewhere, and target low income people into taking out student loans in hopes of getting some piece of paper that will get them a job paying slightly more than minimum wage.

These schools typically run heavy batches of commercials on TV at times when most people would be at work, place ads on busses and near employment agencies, and government or medical offices which have a heavier traffic from those on some form of state assistance.
Their accreditation is sketchy, their course offerings skeletal.

At one point, neither accredited schools or employers looked at them as 'real', but that is changing... now state run 2 year junior colleges have started emulating the proprietary schools, in adding more certificates to their programs.

I haven't seen 4 year schools going that far, but I suspect they will.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 4:25:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: camille65

This is not about politics but isolationism. While driving yesterday I saw a billboard for a local college:

'Friends don't let friends take French'
Business courses 100% Fluff courses 0%

It shocked me, my first thought was 'what about international business? isn't learning another language important and the concept of it being fluff a bit dangerous?'

........i have to say that i find it hard to believe that such a billboard exists, but as i've never seen you post anything remotely resembling a lie i have to accept it.

Come on you right wingers, how about a comment on this. Surely the idea that such a message is being sent out is worrying in the extreme. After all, French isn't just spoken in France. Quebec and north africa come to mind. Both areas where the US will want to do business.

Business trade school?

You know. . . classes one night a week or on a weekend, finish in 10 months commercials?

They likely do not even offer French. Or Geology.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 4:29:08 PM

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Or schadenfreude...

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/31/2008 10:24:50 AM

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Business trade school?

You know. . . classes one night a week or on a weekend, finish in 10 months commercials?

They likely do not even offer French. Or Geology.

.....all very well, but if they don't offer French why even mention it?

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/31/2008 10:27:35 AM

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And what is your problem with a certain segment of society being able to get jobs that offer some improvement over manual labor?

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/31/2008 10:30:00 AM

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Or schadenfreude...

LOL, AL.

What nightschool did you go to; to learn that word?

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