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Owner59 -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 5:59:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 McCain is a gambler. He's not afraid to take risks and swim against the current. That is why independant voters love the guy and why this election is as close as it is. If this was any other Republican, Obama would win a Reagan-like landslide and would be a an embarrassing loss for the GOP. But because McCain is in the race and shows he still has that mavrick streak to take a risk when needed, the independants (the swing voters who will determine this election) are giving him serious consideration. And I think it is funny how some Democrats are totally surprised and shocked he picked Palin and think it was a desperate move. This was planned for weeks. McCain has been setting up the chess board in his favor for the past 3 weeks and the Dems fell in the trap. First he ran ads for weeks targetted specifically to get Hillary Clinton voters to think. The polls started to give McCain the lead in the run up to the DNC Convention. The Democrats then were forced to shift their primary convention strategy from attacking Bush and McCain to doing damage control with women voters. They paraded Hillary around the convention under the disguise of "party unity." Now McCain knocks Obama's speech off the headlines by dropping a bombshell of adding a woman to the ticket. The fact she is socially conservative will make the base happy. And now the GOP will go full assult on Obama and try to get those Clinton voters and independants during their convention. Many Democrats dont see it, and those that do dont want to admit it, but they were outflanked and got beat by strategy pretty bad. "McCain is a gambler. He's not afraid to take risks" Yup,with our GI`s lives. We`ve seen enough pretend cowboy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

celticlord2112 -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 6:01:11 PM)
Taking risks is what leaders do. Taking risks with the lives of others is the the leaders of nations do.

kittinSol -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 6:21:53 PM)
wrong thread lol

kittinSol -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 6:35:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius I know, just a gimmick. [;)] Acutally, yes, it is. Don't you see, Thadius, that for each example of what you perceive as Obama's faulty campaign, I can come back at you with countless counter examples? I find it futile and sterile: I would ask you provided a link to the article you quoted above, but it would be a waste of time for you: not because I concede defeat, simply because I don't like games (really, I don't, not even card games), and so I won't play yours: and it would be little more than a game ("You say, I say, then are you saying this? No I'm saying that. Then look at this. Well, look at that. You mean this? No, but you did say that. Blalalalalala.") In the end, you'll vote for whomever you want, yet you're sounding more and more like you're trying to reinforce your own beliefs. However, if you're trying to convince others of the righteousness of your opinions, it would be far more effective to be a little more detached about 'factual info'. Just saying... as friendily as I can [&:] . See you in the "Battle of the Links" thread :-) .

Thadius -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 6:49:50 PM)
Uhm the link was in the quote. I didn't realize answering the question of "What has he done?" or What makes him qualified? would be so hard. Yeah, I already heard the "he's not Bush" answers. quote: However, if you're trying to convince others of the righteousness of your opinions, it would be far more effective to be a little more detached about 'factual info'. Ah I see, my mistake was asking for facts about what the man has done. Thanks for clearing that up. Who have I tried to convince that my opinion is righteous? Seems you are stuck in those "silly debate tactics", no? Don't feel bad, I am having just as hard a time finding something he has done myself, so I won't hold it against you for not being able to answer.

kittinSol -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 6:56:19 PM)
Yeah, well, I tried to be friendly and I wrote in earnest. Go on with whatever it is you've been doing - like I said: your game's boring, Thadius [;)] .

FirmhandKY -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 9:00:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Lots of hackery and spin, in that link, O59. "Reason #1: He's Desperate." If this is the kind of decision McC might make in a desperate moment, I want him taking the 3:00 am call. (Just for the record, I did predict she would be the one last week. This little trooper mess will vanish quickly if no laws were broken. I like her, "hold me accountable" approach.) Sarah Palin is everything Barack Obama tries and claims to be, except, instead of talking it, she does it. Barack saw a problem he wanted to help solve, and became a community organizer who didn't accomplish very much. Sarah got herself elected to the city council, then as mayor/manager of the community where she saw a problem, and did well enough to get herself appointed up the ladder. Barack rose high enough to encounter the slime layer in politics, and somehow aquired a nicer yard for his ___'s to play in. Sarah brought down the corruption she encountered. Obama's experience? Legislative, and on committees. Palin's? Executive and committee chairs. Obama talks about moving beyond partisanship, Palin brought down members of her own party. Fundamentalist Christian? Yep. Wanna talk about Jeremiah Wright some more? That's why we have a First Amendment and a Supreme Court. Pro-life? That too, but she walks the walk with it, and knew her youngest would be born with Down's Syndrome. Reagan and both Bushes were pro-life too, and, gee, abortion is still legal and safe. Who cares what the environmental extremists think of her? Are they going to vote Republican under any circumstances, anyway? I think she is a good pick strategically, as well, for exactly the reasons we are seeing in these Palin threads. First, the Dems are betraying everything they were saying about the struggle for gender equality a few days ago. "Is she pretty", comes right after '18 million cracks in the glass'???" It's quick enough for even the slower voters to see the hypocrisy. And then there is the trap the Dems are falling right into, attacking her youth and short experience. Hello! Both are smart, passionate, rising stars, but one is running for intern, and one wants to be CEO. Everything they say, will blow right back onto their own ticket. And then there is the aspect that mostly gets talked about after hours, with the batteries pulled out of the cell phone. The rascist vote, and half of them are women. I'm not talking about the KKK, but the honest, hard-working, otherwise pretty decent folk, with a low opinion of black people in general, even if it manifests in handouts and pity. Obama's nomination is creating some conflict there, and a woman on the R ticket might be just the rationalization they need. Let's not forget that the Republicans still get their prime-time speeches. If the cards are played just right, the race could be over next weekend, and Sarah Palin will be elevated to the ultimate school of governance in January. add: One more thing it says about McCain. He can pull off a covert op, while Obama can't. In the sort of war we are in, that's an important thing to know. Heretic, One of the better thought out and intelligent analysis I've seen so far. I think you've nailed it. Of course, Popeye said it pretty well in another thread as well ... quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 LMAO! The Lefties are in ~PANIC~ mode now! Firm

bipolarber -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 9:14:47 PM)
Funny, I don't feel the least bit paniced. I really think this pick for VP is going to backfire on McCain, like a shotgun that's had the barrel bent into an "L." The woman seems nice enough, but she's a total neophyte. Add to this the only women she seems capable of attracting are hardline PUMA's and Ann Coulter clones....

BitaTruble -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 9:20:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Okay, let's try a different topic. Since I know you are passionate about women being treated with equality. Why is it that Obama is claiming to support equal pay for equal work, yet refuses to do so in his own senate office or on his campaign staff? That's one of those "Have you stopped beating your wife" questions. Do you have any evidence that Obama refuses to support equal pay for equal work? The piece from which you pulled the quote doesn't suggest any such thing. It speaks strictly to pay, not to what was entailed in earning that pay. If I have a tax accountant and I'm paying them $100 dollars an hour and I have a maid and I'm paying them $10 an hour, certainly that's unequal pay.. but it's also unequal work. Earnings <-- the link for those who wish to read the actual article from which the quote was pulled

SilverWulf -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 9:20:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber Funny, I don't feel the least bit paniced. I really think this pick for VP is going to backfire on McCain, like a shotgun that's had the barrel bent into an "L." The woman seems nice enough, but she's a total neophyte. Add to this the only women she seems capable of attracting are hardline PUMA's and Ann Coulter clones.... Not a total neophyte, as has been pointed out numerous times but soundly ignored by all of you who are trying to cast doubt on her. The conservative hard liners are one of the groups she is meant to attract. There were a whole lot of them who were saying they were staying home this election, who are now going to come out and vote in big numbers. Remember the 'silent majority'? Guess what, they aren't going to be so silent this time.

Simpleslave101 -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 9:30:16 PM)
Funny..seems everyone I talked to is excited about the McCain VP pick. They all appear to be relieved.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 9:34:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Simpleslave101 Funny..seems everyone I talked to is excited about the McCain VP pick. They all appear to be relieved. We are. Firm

celticlord2112 -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 9:34:48 PM)
quote: Do you have any evidence that Obama refuses to support equal pay for equal work? The piece from which you pulled the quote doesn't suggest any such thing. It speaks strictly to pay, not to what was entailed in earning that pay. Actually, the statistics themselves are the suggestion. Similar statistics have been used to prove income and hiring discrimination. Look at the question another way: Why are the lower-paid jobs on Obama's staff held by women while the higher-paid jobs held by men? Which is something the article does establish rather emphatically.

Sanity -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 9:35:25 PM)
I heard a lot of Conservatives who never did like McCain (because he's too Moderate) say after he had cinched the nomination that he had better pick a Conservative, or they were staying home. This is a great pick for him.

Owner59 -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 10:55:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Simpleslave101 Funny..seems everyone I talked to is excited about the McCain VP pick. They all appear to be relieved. Wow,this is like psychic,everyone I talked to is excited about the pick,too. I know I am.LMFAO I think it`s a great choice,for democrats.<snicker> The pick kicks out the "experience" issue. ~McCain can`t say Obama has little experience,after picking Palin.Not without looking silly. It only helps cons. ~The woman is running against every issue Hillary is for. How anyone would think a Hillary supporter would vote against every position Hillary is for,is beyond me.But then again,who can figure out con-logic in the 1st place? It only reinforces McCain as the stay in Iraq/end legal abortion/tax breaks for millionaires/run to the right of Bush ,candidate.And not the middle-road moderate they`re trying to peddle. She`ll be under investigation,"for abuse of power" for the entire rest of the campaign.Haven`t we had enough of vice presidents abusing their power?<nod-wink> I can see the questioning now.We`ll learn every detail and pro-con arguement,again and again.The "let`s wait for the investigation to end",won`t end the questions or speculation.This guy McCain can`t hide behind that BS line,yet. What if she`s indicted?What then?This shows very poor judgment on McCain`s part.His POW status won`t help him out on this one. I`m thrilled. As odd as it sounds,I think both republican and dems are happy with the pick,but for very different reasons.lol Can`t wait till republicans realize with they`ve been sold.

TheHeretic -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 11:03:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Can`t wait till republicans realize with they`ve been sold. And I can't wait 'til the Dems figure out how their response is going to play among the independent and swing voters. You know. The only votes that mean shit come election day.

BitaTruble -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 11:04:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 Actually, the statistics themselves are the suggestion. I disagree based on my experience as a business owner and my education in statistical analysis. Skewed data sets are not indicative of anything. Garbage in, garbage out. Do you have any evidence which supports the contention that Obama refuses to support equal pay for equal work? That was the question on which I based my response. quote: Similar statistics have been used to prove income and hiring discrimination. Not relevant. We have the actual data available for use in this debate so what some 'other' entity did is moot. quote: Look at the question another way: Why are the lower-paid jobs on Obama's staff held by women while the higher-paid jobs held by men? Which is something the article does establish rather emphatically. I'm not sure where you're getting that from either. You haven't take into account (nor did the article) the number of hours/days worked by individuals, any bonus or other compensation, job description or any of the other criteria which would clearly indicate a discriminatory pay scale. They simply compiled data from a site and presented it. I present that same data to anyone who cares to do their own homework. Good luck since you aren't going to get any further indication of what went into the salaries of these folks which will prove or disprove anything other than.. what salaries they were paid in a given time frame. For those who check, you'll note several people with salaries in the 2 - 3K range for both candidates but without knowing the source, time, hours worked, job descriptions etc, they mean basically, zilch. McCain Staff Salaries Obama Staff Salaries Also, this is the disclaimer on the site which breaks down the salaries. "Congressional staff salaries shown are the amount paid in the period shown. They are not annual salaries. Because bonuses may be included here and other payments may not be (most notably with aides working for multiple offices or for a political campaign committee), please use caution in extrapolating annual salaries from the figures shown here." ::italics mine::

thishereboi -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 11:20:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber Funny, I don't feel the least bit paniced. I really think this pick for VP is going to backfire on McCain, like a shotgun that's had the barrel bent into an "L." The woman seems nice enough, but she's a total neophyte. Add to this the only women she seems capable of attracting are hardline PUMA's and Ann Coulter clones.... Actually if the shotgun was bent into an L...it would shoot the guy standing next to him. [sm=alien.gif]

celticlord2112 -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 11:22:21 PM)
quote: I'm not sure where you're getting that from either. You haven't take into account (nor did the article) the number of hours/days worked by individuals, any bonus or other compensation, job description or any of the other criteria which would clearly indicate a discriminatory pay scale. Well, for starters, the top 5 positions (by salary) of Obama's staff are held by men. Three of the top 5 positions on McCain's staff are held by women. This is with the data covering 4/1/07 to 9/30/07. Same pay periods on both charts, so no extrapolations are necessary. Expanding to the top 10 positions (by salary) of Obama's staff, 7 are men, 3 are women. On McCain's staff, 3 or 4 of the top 10 are men, the rest are women (I do not know for certain if Lee Dunn is a man or a woman). Again, pay periods are the same in both charts, so the question remains: Why are the lower-paid jobs on Obama's staff held by women while the higher-paid jobs held by men?

thishereboi -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 11:23:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Simpleslave101 Funny..seems everyone I talked to is excited about the McCain VP pick. They all appear to be relieved. All the republicans I know seem very happy with her. The democrats...not so much.

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