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Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 11:49:15 AM

TwilightShadows

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As a sumbissive female, this question has been rolling around in my head for some time....

I wanted to respectfully ask as to why many people who self-identify as slaves refer to themselves only in the third person? As in "this slave is hungry, so this slave is going to go have a sandwich."

During the time Bob Dole was much in the media, Saturday Night Live did a spoof on him - all I recall is that he just said "Bib Dole diesn't need this!" (of course, mocking his compulsion to always refer to himself in the third person.)

This doesn't even touch on the whole pronoun bastardization some insist on. As a creative writer as a hobby, and a technical writer as part of my profession, the whole "W/we, "O/our" and gammatically incorrect capitalization or lack there of of pronouns makes me nuts.

Again, I mean no disrespect to anyone, but WTF? I just want to understand why this has such importance, beyond the notion that it implies respect.

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 11:52:41 AM

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This question does keep on coming up, i think the best answer is do whatever works for you and your relationship...

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 12:07:35 PM

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I can't be sure, but i think it started with the Gor books, and slave-type people who wanted to emphasis their slaveness took it up.

There are some masters that like it, so their slaves use it, and there are some slaves who like it, so they continue to use it, and there are those who don't like it, and don't use it.

It is a personal preference, and should be read as such.

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 12:10:18 PM

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Think of it as an objectification thing. Or, even more simply, just a way to remind dom and sub of their roles -- just another ritual. Think of it like a collar in words. They do it because it works for them. If it doesn't work for you, then dont do it. An awful lot of subs and slaves don't. Mine doesn't nor do I want her to.

And hey, if this helps you out any, I very seldom see this in RL meetings. At the MaST meeting I attend, there is nobody who refers to themselves in 3rd person. Nor have I seen this behavior at any of the [very few] local munches I've attended. So don't feel too bad if you don't groove on it, you're not only not alone, but you're in the majority I'm pretty sure.

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 12:57:50 PM

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I started capitalizing pronouns in my posts because there were times when I was accused of being disrespectful for not doing it and the whole message seemed to be lost. I've noticed that things like the capitalization, slash speak, third person talk, and words like "twue" seem to go in cycles. I am also a writer, and I would rather focus on the point than on conventions that come and go. To each their own.

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 1:02:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TwilightShadows

As a sumbissive female, this question has been rolling around in my head for some time....

I wanted to respectfully ask as to why many people who self-identify as slaves refer to themselves only in the third person? As in "this slave is hungry, so this slave is going to go have a sandwich."

During the time Bob Dole was much in the media, Saturday Night Live did a spoof on him - all I recall is that he just said "Bib Dole diesn't need this!" (of course, mocking his compulsion to always refer to himself in the third person.)

This doesn't even touch on the whole pronoun bastardization some insist on. As a creative writer as a hobby, and a technical writer as part of my profession, the whole "W/we, "O/our" and gammatically incorrect capitalization or lack there of of pronouns makes me nuts.

Again, I mean no disrespect to anyone, but WTF? I just want to understand why this has such importance, beyond the notion that it implies respect.

TS,

it is based on the point that "I" is a superlative and thus not in the reasonable vocabulary of a slave.

CP

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 1:30:32 PM

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quote:

TS,

it is based on the point that "I" is a superlative and thus not in the reasonable vocabulary of a slave.

CP

Do you really think that many kinky people are Grammar Nazis? I don't. It is done for the same reason that Bob Dole did it: it is a reminder.

Bob Dole did it to get his name in print and heard more often.

Slaves do it to emphasize their existence. By constantly stating "this slave", they are constantly reminding themselves and everyone that hears them of their status.

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 1:35:21 PM

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It puts (and keeps) the slave in his/her place ...

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 2:15:14 PM

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While I don't know the true origins of this practice, I first encountered this as wanking material as a teenager reading GOR for the first time. I only got 3/4 of the way through the book, I was taking a lot of breaks to masterbate, and after awhile the book started to become a little too repeative for my tastes. After the 100th time of jacking off, I really was not feeling it anymore. Now, Now, I'm just being brutally honest here folks.

In terms of slaves using this, it's a matter of humility and to humble themselves. I see nothing bad with this practice. I have chatted with a few Gorean slave girls, at first my head sort of hurt, then I became rather fond of it, Dare I admit this as well on the message boards today.

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 2:36:39 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CelticPrince
it is based on the point that "I" is a superlative and thus not in the reasonable vocabulary of a slave.

OK, I'm going to cry uncle here and beg for some enlightenment. Either that or I'm going to have to admit I'm the product of an american education. But seriously, I thought I understood the word "superlative" and I even went and checked to make sure. Even so, I cannot figure out how "I" got from being a personal pronoun to a superlative. I can almost make the stretch from superlative to "not in the reasonable vocabulary of a slave" although I'm a bit iffy on that one too.

Would you be willing to expand on this logic chain a bit CP?

Thanks
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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 3:04:14 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

TS,

it is based on the point that "I" is a superlative and thus not in the reasonable vocabulary of a slave.

CP

How can a personal pronoun ever be a superlative when superlative relates to a different part of language - i.e. the adjective and adverb?

But hey.. already having cognitive grammar, generative grammar I'm sure we could also have submissive grammar and that would also sit well with Noam Chomsky.

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 3:04:22 PM

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Ditto what leadership527 said. (I looked it up too.)

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 3:24:09 PM

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Liking anything to do with Gor is cause for crucification around these parts, or so I thought. Too bad you didn't keep reading. Yeah it is a poorly written series, but the meat is pretty good, then again most people miss that part.

Also, the slaves in the Gor Series very rarely spoke in third person, and it is a primarily online roleplayer thing, though my property speaks very well in third person. Prior slaves I had did not speak well in it, and the conversation was confusing and akin to speaking with a 3 year old.

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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2

While I don't know the true origins of this practice, I first encountered this as wanking material as a teenager reading GOR for the first time. I only got 3/4 of the way through the book, I was taking a lot of breaks to masterbate, and after awhile the book started to become a little too repeative for my tastes. After the 100th time of jacking off, I really was not feeling it anymore. Now, Now, I'm just being brutally honest here folks.

In terms of slaves using this, it's a matter of humility and to humble themselves. I see nothing bad with this practice. I have chatted with a few Gorean slave girls, at first my head sort of hurt, then I became rather fond of it, Dare I admit this as well on the message boards today.

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 3:26:23 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TwilightShadows

As a sumbissive female, this question has been rolling around in my head for some time....

I wanted to respectfully ask as to why many people who self-identify as slaves refer to themselves only in the third person? As in "this slave is hungry, so this slave is going to go have a sandwich."

During the time Bob Dole was much in the media, Saturday Night Live did a spoof on him - all I recall is that he just said "Bib Dole diesn't need this!" (of course, mocking his compulsion to always refer to himself in the third person.)

This doesn't even touch on the whole pronoun bastardization some insist on. As a creative writer as a hobby, and a technical writer as part of my profession, the whole "W/we, "O/our" and gammatically incorrect capitalization or lack there of of pronouns makes me nuts.

Again, I mean no disrespect to anyone, but WTF? I just want to understand why this has such importance, beyond the notion that it implies respect.

In any given relationship, the parties involved will assign the importance of any task including commands to speak/write in third person. The feelings of someone outside the relationship will carry little, if any, weight. It is unfortunate, but you'll be hard pressed to find anyone on collarme who actually utilizes third person speech with the invisible beauty and style which is possible so either grin and bear it, use your block button or just ignore/skip over those posts/people who tend to annoy you.

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 6:11:18 PM

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I don't care what anyone else does in their relationship. I hate it. I am secure enough in who I am that I don't want to be around that. I've never had a problem with the lady knowing who was setting the rules in my relationships.

Damn, that was not very tactful was it? Oh well, I'm tactfully challenged.

edited for spelling and grammar

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 6:39:02 PM

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As has been stated, some find it useful to remind them of their place. We do not find it appealing and tend to consider it annoying. When it isn't done well, and in my opinion it usually isn't, it makes things complicated to read and often not worth bothering. beth on these forums is a notable exception to this. As for the "W/we"s and so on, it just drives Valyraen nuts and I am expressly forbidden from using them.

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 6:42:24 PM

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This woman finds it fucking annoying and would never be in a relationship that required it.

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 6:43:48 PM

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This One is avaiable to train that one

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 6:46:45 PM

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Tactfully challenged? Not at all. There is a place for third person speech, to take the focus off the individual, and self. It is even used in the military for such a mental conditioning "To force recruits to refer to themselves only in the third person helps them make the transition from the individualistic, selfish, "me culture" of civilian society, " http://www.temple.edu/isllc/newfolk/military/speech.html

It has nothing to do with being secure or insecure, though jumping to that conclusion could be kind of telling. Damn not very tactful eh? ;)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MidMichCowboy

I don't care what anyone else does in their relationship. I hate it. I am secure enough in who I am that I don't want to be around that. I've never had a problem with the lady knowing who was setting the rules in my relationships.

Damn, that was not very tactful was it? Oh well, I'm tactfully challenged.

edited for spelling and grammar

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RE: Third Person Speak.... - 8/30/2008 9:37:19 PM

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This girl still thinks it is more often done to make the owner feel secure. The military does it to make one unit. With severe penalties for early withdrawal. If a guy can't inspire it from me no amount of vocal reconditioning is going to put me in that headspace.
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