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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:10:08 AM

Icarys

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ORIGINAL: natasha66

Although Master and i do not live together, i consider myself His slave 24/7. i proudly wear His collar. He owns me; i am His. i was in conversation with a "Dom" here this morning and he said that because W/we do not live together it is not 24/7. Then he proceeded to call me a "blonde" (i have brown hair, btw). Just because i had a different view on the matter, he felt compelled to insult me. The nerve of some people lol. Anyway, i would love to hear what 2/7 means to subs/slaves and the Masters out there.....thanks!!!!

This is the comment that sparked the 24/7 debate and it looks like she was asking what 24/7 meant to all of us.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:11:54 AM

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What he said

It also doesn't discount other peoples relationships. If you want to consider your relationship with a master when you aren't living with them 24/7 - have at it. You aren't going to convince everyone that it is 24/7.
For myself i consider 24/7 physical access, not mental. C'est la vie. C'est la geir.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:13:09 AM

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:14:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: Icarys
Regardless of what you think i respect your point of view but i whole heartedly disagree with your definition of it.

what Irony... regardless what I think.. you not going to care what I think... but yet you going to respect what i think even though you don't care what I think..... At least I have the balls to say your Full of shit instead of claiming that I will do it... but never do.

The problem with BS that you spout.. is that you not just claiming what is for you.. .which is fine... it's what you project as impossible for anyone outside of your narrow world.

"You can't serve someone 24/7 if it takes you a day to get to their house "

It might be that you can't feel served or have service without someone being at the house all day. That is your limitation. You have limited yourself by choice or may it's not choice.. maybe that is how you feel and have no control over that. Regardless.. of what that is what occurs to you... that doesn't mean others can't have service in a variety of ways.

I find it ironic that you agree with my concept of that there are many forms of service ... but really that is just cheap words. since you already stated that a person can't serve someone 24/7 when they are not close by and you don't actually recant or rephrase.. you are still projecting what is good for you... is good for everyone.

I can appreciate that for many.. they need that immediate access and maybe even visual connection to feel that 24/7 connection. For some the intangible have far less weight than the tangibles in their daily life. That is just the way it is for them... it is their limitation no different than I like girls and not boys. But.. I don't go around projecting the idea that males can't be submissive... just because it is not my preference to have a male submissive in my life.

Yes.. service can come in alot of forms... it can be there in the face of a person or they can be 10000 thousand miles away and give service. The thing is.... are the people fulfilled as it stands... No different than a D/s relationship that the Dominant is Restricted or limited in certain areas over the submissive. It doesn't make their relationship lacking authority transfer or power exchange or whatever the hell a person wants to call it. It's no different than two Master that have Absolute authority over their slaves.. but one only exercise that authority in the bedroom and the other micro-manages every aspect of the person's life. One thing I find completely ironic is many people inabilty to see that an M/s relationship can actually have alot less actually exercised authority going on than a D/s relationship. Just becuase in an M/s relationship the Master has the ability to exercise authority in any way he/she desires doesn't mean that they do. I have seen some D/s relationships that have far more authority exercised than is every exercised in some of the M/s relationships i have come across. This is no different than the so called 24/7 label... How I am living 24/7 with my girl.. but... when you get to know them... you find that you might find more excitement at the library reading national geographics. Some long distance relationships actually have more going on that some that live 24/7. In fact... I know for a fact... that in the 2 and 1/2 years that krya was living in Florida.. she actually had more BDSM scenes than most of the couples I know. Truth is... alot of people do alot of talk and very little action. Availiablity it is nice... but.. .if it isn't used... it will be lost... sooner or later. So.. I find Availability only to be relevant when compared to the actually amount of use of said availability.

The miser has millions of money in the bank... but what good does it do him.. if he never spends any of it.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:18:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

The op was specific. She said slave 24/7. She never said she was in a 24/7 dynamic or relationship. She called herself a 24/7 slave. Being a 24/7 slave is absolutely achievable when people do not live together. Slave does not = service.

the.dark.

While ours is not 24/7 in the sense that we do not live together, i am His slave/sub/whatever-else-He-chooses-to-call-me ALL the time. Just because i am not there to serve Him 24/7 doesn't negate the fact that i belong to Him. He is more often than not in my thoughts on some level the majority of the time. i agree with the.dark in that slave does not = service. To me it is a mindset. Pure and simple.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:21:47 AM

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For myself i consider 24/7 physical access, not mental.

What is "physical access"? Are you always within touching distance? Hearing distance? Visual distance?

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:21:53 AM

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No i don't believe that you can serve someone 24/7 from 3000 miles away. I thought i made myself clear. What i meant by respect your thoughts on it was i wasn't going to act like a child and call you names or insult your "Dominance" because i didn't agree with you.

I agreed that there were many forms of service but that doesn't mean what your talking about fits into 24/7..doesn't mean the acts aren't done.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:32:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

No i don't believe that you can serve someone 24/7 from 3000 miles away.

and I believe that just because she is 5 feet away doesn't mean sevice is occuring or will ever occur.

and when it does occur... we get to see Haley's comet again.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:37:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Hello Treasure.
Regards to your Master and yourself as always.

And our regards to you and Darcy, as well.

As I mentioned in my original reply, I can understand those who use the 24/7 term to denote the scope of who they are, and that is fine. To me, however, I see the 24/7 term relating specifically to access and opportunity with regard to action. I find it unnecessary to have a term to encompass the time frame that I am who I am. It would be silly for me to say that I am a 24/7 human or a 24/7 woman... just as it would be to say that I'm a 24/7 mother or, for me, a 24/7 submissive. I am who I am, always... though I may not always have the opportunity to act within each capacity.

However, if I'm holding a position that does not encompass all of my time and I wish to emphasize that, there is already the term "part-time" available for me to use. In the same respect, if I wished to emphasize that I consider my position to be one that isn't part-time, I would simply use the term "full-time".

To me, 24/7 relates to availability... access and opportunity for action. Think of it this way, my grocery store is a grocery store all the time... it doesn't revert to being a restaurant after dark, or ever cease to be a grocery store. However, it isn't referred to as a 24/7 grocery because it isn't open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. In fact, if I'm correct in my recollection, that is where the 24/7 started being used... to indicate a business that was open and accessible all day and all night.

This is just how I view the use of these terms and is not meant to disparage other people's way of viewing things.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:38:15 AM

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No, there are no guarantee's when it comes to service. I still prefer the old definition for it. I like to keep them as close to what the definition is as much as humanly possible.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:41:03 AM

Icarys

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Hello Treasure.
Regards to your Master and yourself as always.

And our regards to you and Darcy, as well.

As I mentioned in my original reply, I can understand those who use the 24/7 term to denote the scope of who they are, and that is fine. To me, however, I see the 24/7 term relating specifically to access and opportunity with regard to action. I find it unnecessary to have a term to encompass the time frame that I am who I am. It would be silly for me to say that I am a 24/7 human or a 24/7 woman... just as it would be to say that I'm a 24/7 mother or, for me, a 24/7 submissive. I am who I am, always... though I may not always have the opportunity to act within each capacity.

However, if I'm holding a position that does not encompass all of my time and I wish to emphasize that, there is already the term "part-time" available for me to use. In the same respect, if I wished to emphasize that I consider my position to be one that isn't part-time, I would simply use the term "full-time".

To me, 24/7 relates to availability... access and opportunity for action. Think of it this way, my grocery store is a grocery store all the time... it doesn't revert to being a restaurant after dark, or ever cease to be a grocery store. However, it isn't referred to as a 24/7 grocery because it isn't open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. In fact, if I'm correct in my recollection, that is where the 24/7 started being used... to indicate a business that was open and accessible all day and all night.

This is just how I view the use of these terms and is not meant to disparage other people's way of viewing things.

I'm starting to get hungry now and aroused at the same time.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:47:42 AM

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24/7 in the strictest sense to me means every day all the time, for me a 24/7 relationship therefore means being his submissive all the time, dont need to be sat by his feet all day for that. because really its just picking holes which we can all do (as has been shown) no one can be physically 24/7 what about when you are in the loo however just because you are in the loo does that mean you arent his any more no it doesnt and really thats all has been said, If you arent there you arent 24/7 so no one is, end of really.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 10:51:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

This is just how I view the use of these terms and is not meant to disparage other people's way of viewing things.

I don't believe you are disparaging others view points that all.. you are only expressing your definition and not projecting that definition on others.

For me the best way to judge a person is not my own defintions and filters and values... but the values, definitions and filters that they themselves proclaim to be.

availability is indeed important.. but.. is it just availibility? is it also what a person is available to do? I sense that for you to be doing Mothering... or Submitting.. you have things that you do.. when called upon or feel the desire to do so. Availabilty gives you the ability do things things that feed . I am Mothering.. or I am submitting... and as such... 24/7 is the ability to do mothering and submitting for you. However, not having the availability to do mothering or submitting.. does not in anyway make you less of a Mother or Submissive.

I think the key thing is not so much the available as much as what it is you are available to do that feeds those things. For many... tangible things most be done in a direct manner to the Dominant to some degree or another to feed the idea they are submitting... for some (maybe only a few) these feelings can be gained with far less direct service.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 11:01:50 AM

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All that stuff you've just said is absolutely true, except don't try and put it in a 24/7 box without the availability. That is part of it. It is a "limitation" i place on my life.if she isn't able to be here or i can't or won't move there so that we are available for one another..i would never pretend it was 24/7 until it actually was. It might be moving towards that but it isn't there till she's here. It's not that i don't or can't feel the closeness from 3000 miles It's just the truth behind the words for me. Maybe you don't understand that and maybe my view is to strict? I can't help that. Let's just not call a dog a cat.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 11:02:59 AM

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sorry i agree 24/7 can not be achived if in the last 24/7 you have not seen this person face to face, meaning in the last 24 hours or 7 days hence 24/7
its like having a 24/7 corner store online (aka long distance D/s relationship) thats always open, but it takes 3 shipping days for your purchase (service) to get to you. now if you walked down the stret to the real 24/7 corner store your purchase is directly in front of you and right there.

i believe what the OP is describing more like 24/virtual, 24 hours 7 virtual days
because youre right the time (hours) youre putting into this dynamics does exist
but in reality the connection going on is virtual, which leaves room for so many misconceptions

im confused how virtual service and reality gets so mixed when they are two totally different lifestyles
its either face to face reality
or long distance virtual (which could include brusts of reality, aka. face to face encounters)

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 11:04:56 AM

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no its not either or long distance relationships involve both and they are no more or less than any other type of relationship and really thats what most of this is really saying

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 11:06:03 AM

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I can't help that. Let's just not call a dog a cat.

it's not a question of calling a dog a cat..

its you wanting to label a Wolfhound as a Horse... just because your dog is a chihuahua.

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 11:08:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: backseatbebe
im confused how virtual service and reality gets so mixed when they are two totally different lifestyles
its either face to face reality
or long distance virtual (which could include brusts of reality, aka. face to face encounters)

because it is not so simple as you would like to believe

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 11:15:06 AM

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if a computer is involved im sorry i see that as virtual, simple as that computer=virtual
i dont even need to worry about the actual debate about what type of relationship it is if there is a computer involved to provide service
im just saying why its not 24/7 because it involves a computer (if anything the computer is more 24/7 than her!!), in my opinion

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RE: What does 24/7 mean to you? (and a mini rant i supp... - 9/1/2008 11:19:53 AM

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sorry i agree 24/7 can not be achived if in the last 24/7 you have not seen this person face to face, meaning in the last 24 hours or 7 days hence 24/7
its like having a 24/7 corner store online (aka long distance D/s relationship) thats always open, but it takes 3 shipping days for your purchase (service) to get to you. now if you walked down the stret to the real 24/7 corner store your purchase is directly in front of you and right there.

i believe what the OP is describing more like 24/virtual, 24 hours 7 virtual days
because youre right the time (hours) youre putting into this dynamics does exist
but in reality the connection going on is virtual, which leaves room for so many misconceptions

im confused how virtual service and reality gets so mixed when they are two totally different lifestyles
its either face to face reality
or long distance virtual (which could include brusts of reality, aka. face to face encounters)

You are correct..some have a hard time accepting things. It's a really simple term and so many complicate it. Go look it up. it means 24 hours a day for 7 days a week. Now taking away some of the genius arguments that if she had to pee and she was attached to your hip..that would somehow negate the actual 24/7 meaning.. I would just say no we can't be there all the time but any relationship that was as close to that would be my idea of 24/7..so take out the fact that you have jobs and kids and all the other shit that might interrupt your daily grind..what's left? you can do all the same things from 3000 miles except one..availability..Yes you can spend a lot of time with your slave but as so many have put it..your just not fucking there when that person might need you to be. Why? I know what your response might be: we'll Him being here doesn't mean He might be working and can't come right then..you'd be right but it's a useless argument..because He can be there after He get's off of work.

it's not 24/7 because there's 3000 fucking miles between you lol..How hard is that to figure out. Can you feel like it is..sure..is it..NO.

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