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TheHeretic -> Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 9:05:51 AM)
Have the anti-war bundle noticed the knife that was stuck in their backs last week? It's a nasty, razor sharp dagger, a bit to the left of the one the Democrats in Congress put there in '07, after drawing on the energy and passion of anti-war sentiment to get themselves elected in '06. It went in with a single word. Barack Obama is now going to "end the war in Iraq, RESPONSIBLY." That's a great word to break a promise with, isn't it? Immediate withdrawal? That would be irresponsible. Every time a much ballyhooed target date or timetable gets reworked, the excuse is already in place. With that one word, Obama stopped being the anti-war candidate. It's the right decision, for someone who wants to be CIC. We are stuck in Iraq for as long as it takes to get something stable in our wake. But it has to suck for those who believed he would make it go away. Sorry about that guys. Really. You should get that wound treated. It might be one that aches for a long time.

Sanity -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 9:13:35 AM)
It's just one of the many moves that compose Obama's chicken-dance to the right. He's for responsible offshore drilling now, he's threatening Iran and Pakistan, and he can't quite put his finger on when a fetus becomes human, even though that sort of scholarly legal description used to be a specialty during his days as a "legal expert".

NumberSix -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 9:24:34 AM)
You guys have factual information that this is the case, or did you both just get done listening to the imbicile Limbaugh? You all must get together for coffee, and plan strategy.... You imagine that you say something that is profound and all knowing, how every thing that a 'Republican' says is shitting diamonds, and causing 'Democrats' (insert right and left if you want) to throw their shit at the glass cage walls like apoplectic monkeys.......... Well, it ain't so. Now did this latest papal bull come out of committee in the minneapolis airport where two senior republicans just finished pounding each others rostrums or what? LOLOLOL. We know they have evidence of WMDs! hehehehehehe. Geo.W 'Arbusto' Bush

TheHeretic -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 9:38:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NumberSix You guys have factual information that this is the case, or did you both just get done listening to the imbicile Limbaugh? Rush? I was listening to Michelle and Barack Obama. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/25/michelle-obamas-democrati_n_121310.html http://www.monacome.com/2008/08/barack-obama-dnc-acceptance-speech.html The lawyers have added a nifty new weasel word to the contract.

NumberSix -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 9:43:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: NumberSix You guys have factual information that this is the case, or did you both just get done listening to the imbicile Limbaugh? Rush? I was listening to Michelle and Barack Obama. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/25/michelle-obamas-democrati_n_121310.html http://www.monacome.com/2008/08/barack-obama-dnc-acceptance-speech.html The lawyers have added a nifty new weasel word to the contract. OK, so that's one side, and it isn't 'as astonishing as it may seem to you', the first time that phrase was used. Now, how about 'immediate'? You right reasoned christian fundies know that figuratively speaking, seven days is a millenium, but pretty goddamn quick. Or are you now calling god a liar? Ron No, nobody is licking wounds over it. We ALL know what it means.

MrRodgers -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 9:55:13 AM)
This is getting a bit ridiculous. Both candidates have flopped or 'adjusted' their positions on mnay things. First McCain was against Bush tax revenue cuts, (NOT tax cuts...there have been none since before Reagan) now he is for them. First he was against torture even grandstanding on the issue, now he is for them and still claims the high mantel of a former POW that was supposedly tortured. Shall we all go on ?

TheHeretic -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 9:56:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NumberSix OK, so that's one side, and it isn't 'as astonishing as it may seem to you', the first time that phrase was used. Now, how about 'immediate'? You right reasoned christian fundies know that figuratively speaking, seven days is a millenium, but pretty goddamn quick. Or are you now calling god a liar? Ron No, nobody is licking wounds over it. We ALL know what it means. Oh I'm sure they ran it up the flagpole before flying it in Primetime, Ron. God is not a liar, but his translators suck. And no. I don't think the true believers have figured it out yet.

Sanity -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 10:00:30 AM)
Funny... TheHeritic starts a thread about Obama's most recent move to the right, and the response? B-b-b-b-b-b-b-ush!!!! Limbaugh! McCain! Anything to change the subject I suppose, as there is no apparently defense for Obama...

MrRodgers -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 10:01:25 AM)
ORIGINAL: MrRodgers This is getting a bit ridiculous. Both candidates have flopped or 'adjusted' their positions on many things. First McCain was against Bush tax revenue cuts, (NOT tax cuts...there have been none since before Reagan) now he is for them. First he was against torture even grandstanding on the issue, now he is for it and still claims the high mantel of a former POW that was supposedly tortured. Shall we all go on ?

MrRodgers -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 10:02:43 AM)
This is getting a bit ridiculous. Both candidates have flopped or 'adjusted' their positions on many things. First McCain was against Bush tax revenue cuts, (NOT tax cuts...there have been none since before Reagan) now he is for them. First he was against torture even grandstanding on the issue, now he is for it and still claims the high mantel of a former POW that was supposedly tortured. Shall we all go on ? Edited

thishereboi -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 10:07:39 AM)
How many times are you going to post the same comment? What about the Obama? Where you going to address him at all, or are you just stuck in the McCain loop?

Sanity -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 10:10:49 AM)
Shall we go on.... what. Trying desperately to change the subject? I think Thadius said it well in another thread when he said quote: Hmmm... I thought those supporting Obama would jump all over this chance to discuss policy and issues. The answer to that question here is the same as the answer there though - obviously not.

TheHeretic -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 10:11:18 AM)
I heard you the first time, Rodg. It just took me a moment to do the breathing exercises I Googled up after my last note from XI... "Supposedly tortured???" SUPPOSEDLY tortured??? nope... the exercises aren't working. You have fun with that talking point. Good day [:'(]

NumberSix -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 10:15:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Funny... TheHeritic starts a thread about Obama's most recent move to the right, and the response? B-b-b-b-b-b-b-ush!!!! Limbaugh! McCain! Anything to change the subject I suppose, as there is no apparently defense for Obama... No, it is that there is nothing to defend. It is merely the death rattle of the imbicilic right, (as opposed to the real right, the one of right reason) and their lives passing before their eyes. Many dying people will describe it as an echo. Ron and furthermore, it is not useful to call Obama a move to the 'right' or McCain a move to the 'left' until we all come a little closer to center. Rather like saying, ok, i will only slaughter 10,000 people instead of the first offer of 100,000............ some may consider that great strides, others not----(I am an other).

Owner59 -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 10:15:32 AM)
According to the Pentagon,it`ll take over a year to withdraw the troops.Possibly close to two years,to do it safely. About a month per brigade. Is that what you`re talking about? There is a neo-con bullshit spin talking point,saying that if the troops aren`t pulled out instantly,then Obama`s a lier.It`s a trick.One that aims at keeping our troops in Iraq.Normal people,please be careful. The op is just repeating the wacko talking point.He must be feeling a little down........I wonder why? ~~~~~~~~~~ Here(as always) the cons fail to look a little deeper into the logistical and practical reality of moving a 3rd of America`s army. Or ,..........should I say,they don`t want the public to look deeper into the situation and understand why it takes months and months to safely withdraw close to a hundred and fifty thousand men and their stuff from the other side of the globe. The cons know they got their dupe brigades out here to fall for the line.The hope is normal people will to. A few minutes of reading will show who the bull shiter is. Hint,the bullshiters are the one who truly truly and really really want our GIs to remain in Iraq. These are the same god dammed liers who got us into this mess and the same "concerned citizans" are parroting them. These bushies are dirt bags,who`ll say anything to avoid responsibility for Iraq. Again neo-cons,we`re leaving Iraq. You will own this disaster and will be answering for it for the next few decades. Good luck with that.

bipolarber -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 10:16:44 AM)
Yup... leaving responsibly. Which is the word you have to use when your political opponents accuse you of just "cutting and running." Measured pullout. Within the 16 month timeline the Maliki government has demanded. (Which even the Bush administration has adopted, only they call it a "time horizion" so as not to appear to be the two faced weasles they are.) Which, I might add, was first discussed when candidate Obama was on his Iraq visit, which John McCain suggested (nay, demanded) he take. Why do you suppose Malaki waited until then to ask for the pull out? You don't suppose he's learned that you don't get anywhere dealing with Bush/McCain, and their ilk, do you? Thanks for the concern over our "wound", but like a narrow minded, straight vanilla at a play party where you don't belong, it appears you got squicked out by a little blood play.... :)

NumberSix -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 10:25:10 AM)
Shall we go on.... what. Trying desperately to change the subject? quote: Hmmm... I thought those supporting Obama would jump all over this chance to discuss policy and issues. The answer to that question here is the same as the answer there though - obviously not. _____________________________ quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber Yup... leaving responsibly. Which is the word you have to use when your political opponents accuse you of just "cutting and running." Measured pullout. Within the 16 month timeline the Maliki government has demanded. (Which even the Bush administration has adopted, only they call it a "time horizion" so as not to appear to be the two faced weasles they are.) Which, I might add, was first discussed when candidate Obama was on his Iraq visit, which John McCain suggested (nay, demanded) he take. Why do you suppose Malaki waited until then to ask for the pull out? You don't suppose he's learned that you don't get anywhere dealing with Bush/McCain, and their ilk, do you? Thanks for the concern over our "wound", but like a narrow minded, straight vanilla at a play party where you don't belong, it appears you got squicked out by a little blood play.... :) And there is your policy discussion, an answer to the original question of position, laid back at your feet in a little less annoying language than the OP, and a little less partisanship.......... But we thought we were discussing policy. The ones you imagine we have, and the ones we have. Or did they have fishsticks at the cafeteria on the day they were redefining words such as rhetoric, adversarial. policy and the like and I missed it? Ron

TheHeretic -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 10:25:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber Thanks for the concern over our "wound", but like a narrow minded, straight vanilla at a play party where you don't belong, it appears you got squicked out by a little blood play.... :) Nahh. Just a bit of bemused compassion for a new subbie who didn't understand her dream dom doesn't do aftercare.

Owner59 -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 10:31:49 AM)
I`m noticing a trend. Liberals talking about real issues that concern Americans. Cons with the petty Paris/Americans are whiners/etc BS. And a string of puff posts here,talking about non-issues. Like this one. Accept for Thadeus,I haven`t seen a serious post criticizing Obama. America deserves a better quality of debate than this

Politesub53 -> RE: Barry's big flip (8/31/2008 10:35:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Barack Obama is now going to "end the war in Iraq, RESPONSIBLY." That's a great word to break a promise with, isn't it? Immediate withdrawal? That would be irresponsible. He has always said he wanted a staged withdrawal, starting immediately. I would call that responsible. quote: Although he stopped short of calling for an immediate pullout of all troops, Obama said there should be a clear and certain timetable. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-481393/Obama-calls-immediate-withdrawal-US-combat-troops-Iraq.html

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