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ORIGINAL: NumberSix

If you read the actual bill on the senate website and not a redaction on one of the others excerpts of her speech regarding the support of the United States regarding the  UN millenium summit and the  Monterey Summit was was quoted in it.

Now I know you are bullshitting me, Thad.

The citations placed are all well and good, and there is a huge difference between saying we are for fighting poverty and starvation then giving some money, and committing us to .7% of GDP for said project by making it law.


Say we will do it but then not follow thru?  Why not clearly say no, go fuck yourself we ain't spending that kinda money on you in the first place.

I am somewhat certain you hold a philosophy closer to that last, than to your former quote.


Clinton and Bush committed to the shit in spades.....read the bill in its entirety, it is only a long legal page...........

I kinda got to admire a man that says put up or shut up to Bush.........

Ron

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As the most universal and most representative organization in

the world, the United Nations must play the central role.

We resolve therefore:

• To strengthen respect for the rule of law in international as in national affairs

and, in particular, to ensure compliance by Member States with the decisions

of the International Court of Justice, in compliance with the Charter of the

United Nations, in cases to which they are parties.

•To make the United Nations more effective in maintaining peace and security

by giving it the resources and tools it needs for conflict prevention, peaceful

resolution of disputes, peacekeeping, post-conflict peace-building and

reconstruction. In this context, we take note of the report of the Panel on

United Nations Peace Operations1 and request the General Assembly to

consider its recommendations expeditiously.

• To strengthen cooperation between the United Nations and regional

organizations, in accordance with the provisions of Chapter VIII of the

Charter.

• To ensure the implementation, by States Parties, of treaties in areas such as

arms control and disarmament and of international humanitarian law and

human rights law, and call upon all States to consider signing and ratifying the

Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.2

• To strive for the elimination of weapons of mass destruction, particularly

nuclear weapons, and to keep all options open for achieving this aim, including

the possibility of convening an international conference to identify ways of

eliminating nuclear dangers.

• To take concerted action to end illicit traffic in small arms and light weapons,

especially by making arms transfers more transparent and supporting regional

disarmament measures, taking account of all the recommendations of the

forthcoming United Nations Conference on Illicit Trade in Small Arms and

Light Weapons.

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ORIGINAL: NumberSix
American politics, it's shallow, but then it tries to be.

Unless you object, I intend to use this as often as Popeye gripes about illegals or Al insinuates that someone is a racist.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Obama's going to drop down to 0% when people find out about *HIS Bill* S-2433!!!
This guy is no Democrat!
He's a Socialist!

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It is unclear why the Republican majority in the Senate has not voted on this bill.

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If for no other reason, because (as President Bush pointed out in Monterey), reducing world poverty is one of our most valuable weapons against terrorism worldwide.
~snip~
As President Bush has stated many times, the War on Terrorism may be the most significant war we ever participate in, and certainly one we must win.

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

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ORIGINAL: NumberSix
American politics, it's shallow, but then it tries to be.

Unless you object, I intend to use this as often as Popeye gripes about illegals or Al insinuates that someone is a racist.

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Obama's going to drop down to 0% when people find out about *HIS Bill* S-2433!!!
This guy is no Democrat!
He's a Socialist!

...you may need to do a little more research on this Popeye........

"The 0.7% of our $13.8 Trillion GDP is $96.6 billion. This 0.7% number was established by members of the UN (including the US) 35 years ago and has been reaffirmed many times. In 2002 George Bush was at the Global Financing for Development conference in Monterrey, Mexico where he and other world leaders AGAIN reaffirmed this commitment to the UN. Yet the US still pays $65 billion less than our agreed commitment to the UN EACH YEAR. At that conference President Bush stated that reducing global poverty will reduce terrorism. No one disputes that, so it is unclear why he and our congress have restricted these funds to the UN. This bipatisan Obama-Lugar bill simply asks the Senate to acknowlege our commitment and enable the government to honor that commitment. If for no other reason, because (as President Bush pointed out in Monterey), reducing world poverty is one of our most valuable weapons against terrorism worldwide. The House version was passed last year. It is unclear why the Republican majority in the Senate has not voted on this bill."

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-2433&tab=analysis

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

That is in addition to our other current committments to the UN. 

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Gee Phil, that's odd, all the 9/11 hijackers were middle class muslims and more than a few of them were college educated.

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Obama:

I'll make the Millennium Development Goals American policy. By the end of my first term I expect to see progress to meeting the MDGs, including reducing by half the number of people living on less than a dollar a day and suffering from hunger, and reversing the number of new HIV infections and malaria cases.

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McCain:

I would pursue policies that enable entrepreneurs and exporters to increase their access to international markets - which is critical to lifting nations out of poverty. These and other efforts would assist poorer nations in enabling their citizens to achieve their potential. I would also press nations on the critical importance on good governance and economic and legal reform, because no amount of assistance can succeed when governments fail their people.

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Sen. Obama has offered 188 campaign proposals that would add up to at least $300 billion in new annual spending. That has a 5-year cost of more than $1.4 TRILLION.

 

Of the 188 new spending proposals, the $300 billion price tag only covers 111 proposals. There are another 77 proposals with unknown cost estimates that will add billions to this number.

 

This new spending, if enacted, would represent an almost 10% increase over the President’s FY 2009 budget.

To put this in perspective, this $300 billion spending proposals would cost more than 42 states’ budgets combined (general fund expenditures). It is more than the United States spent last year on imported oil ($294 billion net). It is more than 60% larger than any one-year federal spending increase, ever.

Who will pay for the proposed $300 billion increase in spending? Middle-class American taxpayers and small businesses (which are the engine of growth for our economy), that’s who. Raising taxes on just the "rich" simply won’t cover it.

 

Under Pay-Go budget rules, new spending or tax cuts are paid for by spending cuts or tax hikes. The CBO budget baseline already incorporates the extra revenue due to higher tax rates, so the end of the Bush tax cuts won’t pay for the proposed spending and still satisfy Pay-Go.

 

Senator Obama has promised to pay for his record new spending increases with a tax increase on families making $250,000 and over. However, this increase would only yield $225 billion over 5 years, a far cry short of the $1.4 trillion required under his new spending plan.

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ORIGINAL: NumberSix

You're right, Thad.

I did sorta outtalk my tongue there.


I don't see us going in anything like Iraq into Afganistan, maybe we can realize 50% for a week or so before congress spends it on some other ignorant bullshit.

Ron

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Gee Phil, that's odd, all the 9/11 hijackers were middle class muslims and more than a few of them were college educated.

.......and those who opposed slavery and did something about it were also middle class. The thing is, history shows, that when the poor suffer it is frequently middle class people who try to do something about it.