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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 7:28:27 AM

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You mean you actually know which candidate that is bipolarber? He plays both sides and the middles so often I can't tell what he thinks except that he is always right. Well, to himself that is.

And yet you are right there to make snide comments when I point out the obvious lies about either side aren't you?

So how 'liberal' and 'feminist' do you have to be to keep whining about the debunking of lies about Obama or Palin anyway?

And you can't tell what I think if at all? That's odd, since I went to a lot of trouble to make it exceedingly clear the last time you claimed that my motives were so murky. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2042043

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 7:42:49 AM

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What do you think would make Palin a good president, if at all?

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 7:52:35 AM

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Thadius, et al---

The original question---the McCain camp and the folks on the right have been harping on Obama as "lacking experience" and "not ready to be Commander in Chief." Sure, these are silly, sweeping, vapid charges always thrown about in lieu of explaining why one's candidate is actually a better choice. Yet, after shouting all this bull, we get Palin. Seriously--can you see her as the President? Commanding the Armed Forces? Perhaps you can, but if so, it seems a silly, silly choice for McCain after all the rhetoric thrown at Obama---who I DO see as a leader. I read celtic's assessment. I don't buy it--what real actions has she ever taken?

The back and forth "Well, yeah, but what about...." I'm reading in this thread solves nothing other than clarifyng that some people have long ago decided to vote for any Republican ticket--and yes, probably vice versa too.

The VP choices rarely matter anyway, but at least it's usually someone who could conceivable be credible, or someone (like Quayle) who probably will never be Prez anyway. But this ticket--this is the "God Damn it we're gonna overturn Rowe v. Wade and that's the only goddamn thing that matters---screw the economy, health care, the mess Bush made in the world---just cut more taxes!--and we're gonna overturn abortioni rights!" ticket.

Clearly others see it differently. I think it shows amazingly poor judgment.

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Okay, lets say for the sake of discussion that her experience doesn't qualify her for vp.

What experience does Obama have that qualifies him to be PRESIDENT?

Maybe the highlighting of the question will help me get an answer.

Lets try to get past the Dem vs Rep thing for a moment. Simply an honest question seeking an honest answer.

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Okay, lets say for the sake of discussion that her experience doesn't qualify her for vp. What experience does Obama have that qualifies him to be PRESIDENT? Maybe the highlighting of the question will help me get an answer. Lets try to get past the Dem vs Rep thing for a moment. Simply an honest question seeking an honest answer.

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 8:18:36 AM

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She's as qualified as my brother's wife who is also an American but that is as far as it goes.

So your sister-in-law has been a governor of a state?

Alaska, big deal. The population is only that of a medium sized city and has got an economy half the size of Luxemburg which has a population 30% smaller.

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 8:22:54 AM

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Still, Palin has more executive experience than Obama.

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 8:28:49 AM

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Still, Palin has more executive experience than Obama.

To call being the governor of Alaska executive experience, is like saying a bus driver has executive experience.

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 8:35:35 AM

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Still, Palin has more executive experience than Obama.

To call being the governor of Alaska executive experience, is like saying a bus driver has executive experience.

What the fuck does 'executive experience' is supposed to mean anyway? Signing memos? Agreeing to proposals? Listening to committees and expert advice? Executive experience... How do we define 'executive experience'? I'm genuinely curious

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 8:40:26 AM

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What do you think would make Palin a good president, if at all?

Did you mean 'Why'? Well, since you asked....

I stated on the first page that she meets the Constitutional requirements, and has the right to run for office.

I also re-asked the same question that almost everyone has been running away from since day one... how is she less qualified than VP nominees such as Spiro T. Agnew, Joe Lieberman, Dan Quayle, and so forth.....? Anyone who equates that with my saying she would be a good chocie is seriously deluded or maliciously dishonest.

I start from an initial premise that anyone who has been allowed to reach this stage by a major party is a compromising partial psychopath seduced by power, as I've said many times.

Did anyone ever bother to read the Bill Bradley piece I've cited that explains from the viewpoint of a naive candidate how the campaign process works, and how it is nearly impossible for anyone decent to actually control that process?

How about 'Why Leaders Can't Lead' by Warren Benis that explains the disconnect between the top people and the way organizations run? Or The Peter Principle? Any Organizational Psychology texts?
Case studies in political science, like the Bay of Pigs? The classic Muddling Through by Lindblom? Hare or Patrick on partial psychopaths, and how politicians match that profile?
Or has anybody worked in any sort of large organization, and observed the same things first hand?

No?
Ok, here's an easy one.... Mr. Smith Goes to Washington? No? Eddie Murphy's reprise, The Distinguished Gentleman?

Read Ziggy?

Or is it in fact, as it seems here, just easier (and as some posters here have put it, more 'amusing') to come into discussions armed with nothing but soap opera and TV wrasslin' 'us vs them', 'good guys vs. bad guys', 'the world is black and white' attitudes, along with some basic sophomoric 'Big lie' debate tricks, and 'informed' by blogs, agitprop, hatemongering soundbites, and tabloid gossip... Then pick a side, and start the keyboard commando bashing?

Because quite frankly, I would welcome some intelligent and honest discourse on the realities of government.

Seen much? Kind of hard to tease out from all the verbage posts though.

Until more comes along, I'm going to find diversion by poking holes in the BS wherever it is spewed, be it holocaust deniers, 'scary Obama' shit stirrers, partisan blind faithful lumpen, fake liberals promoting intolerance, fake conservatives making impossible claims about military heroics, pseudo-experts who can't even get the basic terminology of their alleged professions right, the 'Did you read what Daily Koz says about Palins' Down's son?' agitators, the 'I'm no racist buuuuuttt...' smirkers, the hurricane gloaters and opportunists, the hoax promoters, the 'I'm just saying' mean spirited gossipers, the alternative medicine charlatans, the 'One Twue Way' BDSM priests', and so forth and so on.

Which means that I'm going to have a steady stream of outraged whining coming my way.

I've explicated my reasons for doing so, and if anyone doesn't like it, all they have to do to protect their insecure egos, is to get the mods to kick me out...

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 8:46:02 AM

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I wonder who Meat, Kiwi and Kittin will be voting for?

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 8:47:45 AM

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I will be praying. First time ever :-) .

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 9:17:49 AM

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Actually, i won't be voting at all - not an American citizen- what i don't like is making statements that are personal opinion as facts.
My opinion is that McCain who has a lot more experience at politics than me, thinks that she could do the job if he drops dead - and actually if she has experience at running a state, then i don't see a problem with her running the country. Same job, bigger decisions, more advisors.

If she isn't fit to run the country, then how do you get to be fit? By being a senator - like Sen. Obama, who from what the talking heads on tv are saying, has been running for president for 2 of the 3 years he has been in Washington. Exactly how does being a senator make you fit to be president - and that is not a slam at Obama - i really am curious. What do they do that enable them to take over the reins of the country? What do they get by being in Washington that Palin doesn't get by being in Alaska?

oops - this is in reply to Popeye. and i have lived (legally) in America since '81

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 9:20:14 AM

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And STILL, she has more executive experience than Obama has.

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To call being the governor of Alaska executive experience, is like saying a bus driver has executive experience.

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 9:28:26 AM

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I don't get the 'experience' issue. Nobody punches the button as president of the united states until they are president of the united states. There is no equivalent experience to being president other than being president. There is no experience, and furthermore, if you have went to a funeral ever in your life or handed someone a valentine, you have all the experience you need to be vice-president.

If experience is such a big deal and an insight into performance, why was Hoover such a fuckrod?

Why didn't everybody fall on their knees for Perot?

Why was a shipyard electrician a good president? Why was a man who spent a great deal of his life in prison for fighting aparthied?

Why is bonnie prince charlie such a tampon?

it DONT translate out to nothing.

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 9:34:36 AM

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Why is bonnie prince charlie such a tampon?

He is

? That's worrying

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 9:37:07 AM

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No no - get it right - he WANTED to be a tampon. See that's what i'm saying - people just aren't getting it right!!!

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 9:37:19 AM

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Oh, he's a bloody tampon, alright.

Don't you recall the phone-cons prior to his divorce, coming into the public perview?

Now that he is with Camille, I am sure he's stuffed, often enough.

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 9:38:22 AM

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No no - get it right - he WANTED to be a tampon. See that's what i'm saying - people just aren't getting it right!!!

Oh shit, I had totally forgotten about the Camillagate affair!

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 9:54:52 AM

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what real actions has she ever taken?

At least one impressive one, Muse. As a small town mayor, appointed to a commission, she fought corruption all the way to the Goveror's desk. Looks pretty good on a resume.

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 10:08:26 AM

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I don't get the 'experience' issue. Nobody punches the button as president of the united states until they are president of the united states. There is no equivalent experience to being president other than being president. There is no experience, and furthermore, if you have went to a funeral ever in your life or handed someone a valentine, you have all the experience you need to be vice-president.

If experience is such a big deal and an insight into performance, why was Hoover such a fuckrod?

Why didn't everybody fall on their knees for Perot?

Why was a shipyard electrician a good president? Why was a man who spent a great deal of his life in prison for fighting aparthied?

Why is bonnie prince charlie such a tampon?

it DONT translate out to nothing.

Ron

Agreed. It's just another buzzword for the dittoheads.

Senators have a staff that they manage; Presidents have a staff that they manage. I see very little difference.

What WILL make a difference is the depth and breadth of knowledge the President's staff has. Is Obama likely to pick a horse breeder to be head of FEMA? Doubtful. Obama doesn't seem the type to select his Cabinet and staff on the basis of cronyism and the ability to raise funds, like Shrub did. McSame has pretty much been bought by Big Oil already, and Palin is ready to jump on that bandwagon.

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 9/1/2008 10:19:27 AM

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No no - get it right - he WANTED to be a tampon. See that's what i'm saying - people just aren't getting it right!!!

Oh shit, I had totally forgotten about the Camillagate affair!

I wish i could. Its just a seriously disturbing visual image - sort of like an X-file episode!

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