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Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 7:42:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know this is a bit of subject that tends to trigger knee jerk reactions.  In terms of Regressive AGE Play (not the sexual variety).  Anyways, I was reading the Wikipedia on this subject.  I find this to be an very well written resource for people trying to understand AGE PLAY.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageplay

However, there was something that caught my attention for moment, a link on the Wikipedia.  Referencing something called "Dissociative Identity Disorder"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

Some pretty in depth mental Kung Fu reading here.  Including references to the "Inner Child" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_child  all of this linked on the AGE PLAY page of the Wikipedia.

It's obvious that this associated information is posted on the WikiPedia for a good reason.

Now with that said, I actually a little curious in terms of People Involved in Age Play, if they have encountered Somebody with a "DID" inner child?  If there are those out there that have a "DID" Inner Child personality.

I thought this would be an interesting Topic to post a thread about compared the classic  "Regressive Age Play vs. Sexual Age Play" threads.

I know that it's perhaps easier for people to engage talking about other Mental Health issues, such as being Bi-Polar and what not.  Even ADHD and other similar topics have been presented on here.  Many of these issues have become more acceptable and public awareness has been increased.

However, I can't say I've ever have heard somebody say hey I have DID,  I suspect it would probally be a difficult thing for somebody to feel comfortable in sharing or talking about.

I'm really curious though, about this whole different angle or spin on Age play, where it's more of a question of Mmmm.. Need per se. 

I just wanted to start this thread for the sake of exploring a reoccuring Topic in a slightly different light.

Please keep in mind, I am by no means suggesting that everybody who is into Age play has DID.  I am certain for people with DID, it must be a bit of bitch at times.   I was sitting here reading things, and I actually found myself with a great deal of Empathy.   Every so often I read things, that make me stop and think and see things from a different angle.

I'm certain not too many other people, have stopped and seen this different angle as well.  Since, I've never seen it addressed on here.  Anyways, I hope this topic is not too boring, and not like the endless repeating topics that occur on here.

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 7:47:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I knew someone who ws tentativly diagnosed with DID (tentativly because its actually a really disputed illness some mental health professionals wont recognise its exsistance)

I would say that as with any mental illness incorperating it heavily into a lifestyle like this can cause so many problems, many mental illnesses develop and thrive as a way to protect people from deeper issues and they are actually illnesses which means that they arent the way someone actually is, its a part of them but its a dysfunction.

I would also say due to the nature of question hanging over DID the number of people who can say they have it is very small, many are misdiagnosed with someone else therefore finding responses to this will be hard, people are more willing to talk about other mental problems because they are more aware of them. Also some people use DID as an umbrella term incorperating multiple personality disorder and schitzophrenia so its hard to pin point what the term means, also as MPD for example is another contested illness and one that relates very heavily to a specific type of trauma it would be something that hopefully wouldnt encourage this as of course the identites or personalities are often unaware of each otherand of course there is no specific timing of the appearance of them

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 7:48:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		DID is a bitch at all times. Plus a person with it would not be able to control it to appropriate moments such as age play. In addition, people who do age play remember it afterwards. DID involves fugue states, where you do not remember what occurred afterwards.

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 7:58:48 AM   
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I knew someone who ws tentativly diagnosed with DID (tentativly because its actually a really disputed illness some mental health professionals wont recognise its exsistance)

I would say that as with any mental illness incorperating it heavily into a lifestyle like this can cause so many problems, many mental illnesses develop and thrive as a way to protect people from deeper issues and they are actually illnesses which means that they arent the way someone actually is, its a part of them but its a dysfunction.

I would also say due to the nature of question hanging over DID the number of people who can say they have it is very small, many are misdiagnosed with someone else therefore finding responses to this will be hard, people are more willing to talk about other mental problems because they are more aware of them.


The DID link I read was somewhat interesting, in terms of therapy and even the whole gambit of thinking regarding this.  Even when it is recognized the cause, effect and treatment varies.  All depends up those who have diagnosed it a DID, and I'm certain like any other disorders, it can effect a person on a minor scale to more severe level.

I'm curious as to what the person you know was finally diagnosed with in the end?  If you are at liberty to share.

I can see where Regressive Age Play, can be a good form of therapy and also at the same time it can probally the worse thing for a person to do.

I tend to agree with your statement "many mental illnesses develop and thrive as a way to protect people from deeper issues and they are actually illnesses which means that they arent the way someone actually is, its a part of them but its a dysfunction."   Even the things on the DID link express concepts such a Trauma being one of the possible reasons behind DID.

I just never would have thought about all this Relating to Age Play..  sort of blew my mind, but also makes sense at the same time. 

Thanks for the post.


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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 8:05:28 AM   
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DID is a bitch at all times. Plus a person with it would not be able to control it to appropriate moments such as age play. In addition, people who do age play remember it afterwards. DID involves fugue states, where you do not remember what occurred afterwards.


I think it would be a bitch, having a fugue state occur, then coming back out of it.  In terms if the DID personality was a child, they would simply act just like child, if I am reading things correctly.  Given within that context, they would have control in terms of their child personality being in control.

What find interesting that there's no mention about duration or length of Fugue states.  I mean can they only be a matter of a few minutes or last for days even?  I would imagine a week long fugue is much more difficult to grasp compared to a half and hour or 15 minutes.

All of which are things, I suspect can be varied, mind you I have not read enough on the topic to know.   However, very interesting food to think about for a few.

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 8:29:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dissociative Identity Disorder is usually a result of trauma as a child. While ageplay can provide a sort of reparenting process, it is not a good idea to bring up childhood trauma during play, especially if the person who is parenting does not have the training to deal with it. The aspects of the personality that split were created to protect the individual from trauma. Ageplay is not therapy, it is important it not be used as such.

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 8:54:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Colouredin, DID and MPD are the same thing.  DSM IV renamed MPD calling it DID.  There's also very clear diagnostic criteria for dissociative states, which draw distinctions between them and schizophrenia.  What is more common, is DID people being diagnosed schizophrenic.  Despite having a diagnosis, from someone who does know what they're talking about, I have a lot of conversations where I insist I'm not schizophrenic.  I know I'm not for no other reason than I was treated with schizophrenia meds and my symptoms got much much worse then.  Removing the meds and I stabalised, eventually.

WhiplashSmile, *waves* I have DID.  Some of the age play threads over in ask a sub/slave have comments from me about it in.

I have to "child" alters, they're six and a half and seven, and are usually quite happy to be left well alone when they come out, which isn't that often because they need to feel safe in order to do so.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "regressive age play", one of the things I am very, very clear about with partners is that they do not, ever, play with the children.  But, one of the things I like about kink-friendly people is that they are more open to the idea of a "little" being about and existing, doing their thing, and so on, without freaking out.  If for no other reason than they confuse my dissociated states/other personalities with the more traditional "babygirl/littlegirl" from the daddy/daughter dymanic.

In terms of "how long does a fugue last" it can be hours, it can be days.  Only twice, I think, has it been more like weeks, but then, that was a bit ore complex and harder to explain.  Though it is possible, with effort, to go and "find" other personalities, actually switching at will is draining, and it's far easier to just play messanger for each other (there's sort of an internal white board, as well as real life notebooks, I get a lot of messages left for me, like "I phoned the locksmith" and "mum said..." and "I took meds").  There are also co conscious states, which is a bit like sitting in the passager seat of the car, you're along for the ride but can't change anything about what's happening, except suggest things, which can be ignored.

I've (we've?) spent a lot of time and effort on internal communication and getting to know other parts, and mapping ourselves.  There are still areas I don't know about (of myself), and people I know exist but can't access/talk to.  In a few weeks, I'm going to be stopping working and ploughing more effort into figuring everything out with some help (hopefully/finally) and a view to possible reintegration.

Juggling any relationship for me is a challenge, but so far, open, honest communication and understanding people around me are making it work.

I'm aware I might not be answering the question, if so, ask away.  Incidentally, ask away on anything and I'll answer if I can.

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 9:19:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Often people think schitzophrenia means multiple personalities just the other day i read a t-shit saying I used to have schitzophrenia but we're ok now, but that is a huge misconception. Also I still believe its fair to say that many people still question DID and what qualifies it.

I think that when he refers to regressive age play is the part you said you have a rule against. I would also like to add that as these identities or personalities are actually personalities it wouldnt be 'play' it would e interacting with a child, the mental capacity of a child and all even though the physicality is that of an older person.

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 9:28:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just for clarification on the matter.  Whenever I use the word "Regressive" as a prefix to "Age Play".   I am talking about Coloring Book, Blowing Bubbles and other activities that a kid would do. 

I am by no means expressing S&M play or anything of an Adult sexual natural.  The use of the word "Play" can be somewhat confusing.  Hence why I'm attempting to add additional clarification using the phrase "Regressive Age Play".  :-)   I know how misunderstandings can quickly arise here on the Message board, trust me, I've been in the thick of AGE Play thread postings before on here.

Not the kind of play that involves floggers, whips, bondage, nipple clamps and other things.

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 9:30:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, yes, I get that people think schizophrenia is DID.  Muchly annoying.  And, again, yes, many people question whether DID exists, but, there are clear diagnostic criteria which those who think the condition exists believe a patient must exhibit to have DID.  I can go dig out my assessment reports if you'd like more info.

And having got a memo on the other side... regressive age play is colouring books, and kids movies and playing with cuddly toys.  Something we do a lot of.  But, usually in an "alone" capacity and not with other people around.  What I meant about rules about play was the whole D/s thing doesn't apply with the kids, and there is no play in the sense of sceneing/kink/intimacy/sex/hitty things etc.

And yes, it's mental capacity of a child, so they talk/type/write in quite an immature way.  They still have a decent stab at uni work though, even if essays turn out with sentences like "The Ancient Mesopotamians hadded..."

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 10:58:45 AM   
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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 11:12:58 AM   
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I think it would be a bitch, having a fugue state occur, then coming back out of it.  In terms if the DID personality was a child, they would simply act just like child, if I am reading things correctly.  Given within that context, they would have control in terms of their child personality being in control.

What find interesting that there's no mention about duration or length of Fugue states.  I mean can they only be a matter of a few minutes or last for days even?  I would imagine a week long fugue is much more difficult to grasp compared to a half and hour or 15 minutes.

All of which are things, I suspect can be varied, mind you I have not read enough on the topic to know.   However, very interesting food to think about for a few.


My point was that there is no way to determine when a childlike personality may emerge. It might happen during age play but it could just as easily happen while driving a car.

And thinking this over, I am not sure that during age play is when the child personality would emerge. Since one of the things that appears to be common among all those with DID/MPD et al is early and frequent sexual abuse, age play could easily bring out a rage filled personality trying to prevent another recurrence of the abuse.

And whether for a few minutes, for hours, or for days, the person who emerges from the fugue state is terrified. They don't know what happened, they can barely believe reputable reports of their actions, and they fear a recurrence.

Subjecting someone with DID or MPD to age play is akin to playing Russian Roulette. Psychodrama should always be left to the experts to decide when and how. Deliberately recreating someone's worst nightmare is not an amateur activity. Reputable dominants don't go about breaking their toys.

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 11:29:44 AM   
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My point was that there is no way to determine when a childlike personality may emerge. It might happen during age play but it could just as easily happen while driving a car.
Aye.  For me, they come out when they feel safe, usually at night, and mostly when we're alone.

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And thinking this over, I am not sure that during age play is when the child personality would emerge. Since one of the things that appears to be common among all those with DID/MPD et al is early and frequent sexual abuse, age play could easily bring out a rage filled personality trying to prevent another recurrence of the abuse.
And yes, which is why no daddy/daughter stuff for me.

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And whether for a few minutes, for hours, or for days, the person who emerges from the fugue state is terrified. They don't know what happened, they can barely believe reputable reports of their actions, and they fear a recurrence.
And, eventually, you get used to the idea that it *is* going to happen, and you figure out ways to manage it and muddle through.  And you spend a lot of time taking things back to stores after people went shopping for stuff you don't need/can't afford.

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Subjecting someone with DID or MPD to age play is akin to playing Russian Roulette. Psychodrama should always be left to the experts to decide when and how. Deliberately recreating someone's worst nightmare is not an amateur activity. Reputable dominants don't go about breaking their toys.
I think the OP was referring more to age play in the colouring books, playing with dolls type of activity, and not anything other than that. 

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 11:32:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just wanted to let everybody know, that I'm about as neutral as swiss cheese on this topic.

I did come upon a message board for those with DID, and it's apparent they regressive age play all the time.  Back to coloring books, Playing with kids toys and doing things that any kid would do.

I would be prone to think, If I were to insist that somebody in an Alter little state stopped acting like a kid, and take their coloring books away, to prevent age play from going down, it would be a very not so pleasent experience.

Again, When I refer to AGE PLAY, I'm not talking about SEX, S&M play and other things that are for Adults.

I do think it would bring out trauma engaging in Sex and the majority of typical BDSM play while somebody was in thier Alter mode.   That would not be a pleasent experience based on everything I have read.

I do think that if somebody is aware of a Loved one having DID, that they don't have to be a certified Head Shrink to pass them a coloring book or treat them in the same manner as one would any Kid.   With that said, I can even see a Dominant figure that Passing somebody the Crayola's and a Coloring book from time to time.    I don't see how subjecting a DID person to Age play when they are in thier BIG stage is much different compared to when they are in their Alter little mode.  How much harm can Coloring Books, and kids toys actually cause somebody? 

Again, I stress the context of Regressive Age Play. 

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 12:05:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		again because regressive age play is something two adults engage in, engaging in something you are defining as age play with that identity is not the same, the child personality IS a child, its not play and therefore its not the same, the child personality may want to play with colouring books or whatever but its not something that can be harnessed its not a choice its part of the illness it harps back to something someone said to me once ill cm you it

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 12:18:10 PM   
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Except for those who responded who do have DID, your ignorance about a subject read on Wikipedia is totally off balance.
 
First of all throwing DID into some age play role in a BDSM setting shows a total lack of knowledge of this topic.
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Just wanted to let everybody know, that I'm about as neutral as swiss cheese on this topic. You are ignorant not neutral on this topic.

I did come upon a message board for those with DID, and it's apparent they regressive age play all the time. WRONG!!Regressive age THERAPY is used carefully, and with much precaution.

Back to coloring books, Playing with kids toys and doing things that any kid would do.  None of these are used as tools for therapy unless engaging an identity that needs help in expression.

I would be prone to think, If I were to insist that somebody in an Alter little state stopped acting like a kid, and take their coloring books away, to prevent age play from going down, it would be a very not so pleasent experience.   This remark is totally asinine and shows your total ignorance as well as your stupidity about therapy and DID.  Your assumptions are disgusting.

Again, When I refer to AGE PLAY, I'm not talking about SEX, S&M play and other things that are for Adults.
DID has NOTHING to do with age play.

I do think it would bring out trauma engaging in Sex and the majority of typical BDSM play while somebody was in thier Alter mode.   That would not be a pleasent experience based on everything I have read. You have not read near enough, and your TV type of assumptions in regards to DID is like unto how TV/moves/theater portray BDSM, D/s.

I do think that if somebody is aware of a Loved one having DID, that they don't have to be a certified Head Shrink to pass them a coloring book or treat them in the same manner as one would any Kid.   With that said, I can even see a Dominant figure that Passing somebody the Crayola's and a Coloring book from time to time.    I don't see how subjecting a DID person to Age play when they are in thier BIG stage is much different compared to when they are in their Alter little mode.  How much harm can Coloring Books, and kids toys actually cause somebody? 
An insidious comment/belief about DID... 

Again, I stress the context of Regressive Age Play. 
.... and types of therapy.


Identities of those who have DID do NOT have to be children and to assume they are always children/child like proves stating such is insidious gross mis-information.
 
In regards to the schizophrenia vs DID matter, an educated therapist, physchogist, pyschiatrist can with proper diagnostic tools define the difference between schizophrenia, DID and BiPolar.  An individual can be afflicted with several overlaying pathologies...  but never does  role playing BDSM age play with any of these pathologies create an environment that is SSC.  

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 12:20:19 PM   
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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 12:31:37 PM   
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If I could interject some of my own personal experiences here. DID and age play can get a little muddles in the big picture. I think we are talking about three different topics here.
Disassociate Disorder means just that, one disassociates, removes themselves from emotions, mental awareness, even physical sensation. Usually this happens with trauma, abuse, horrindous events that the brain can not process. It is at times a protective device when the whole of who you are can not work together with these trauma. Unfortunatly not dealing with these events does not make them go away. And the subconious will deal with them its own way.

Regressive Age Play is usually done with supervision. A deliberate regression to an part of our lives that we have disassociated from. It allows the person to develop those lost emotions and thoughts associated with the traumas that are the root of the DID.

Age Play is just that. It is play for what ever reason. We all have an inner child. Sadly some people never acknowledge this and miss out on so much fun. With some when with a "safe" person, the child can run in the rain, play in the mud, play dress up and so many other things only the "children" get to do. As we all know adults don’t act like that (dripping with sarcasm). Age Play is just damn fun!!

In the S/M BDSM or any other lifestyle, it would be my hope that all parties are aware of which "play or disorder" is in the for-front. Regression can happen fast and without warning. It can be hell for everyone if there is not communication about what is really happening. Events from DID can be triggered at the most unexcepted times and be frightening for all involved. BUT it can also be very therapeutical if dealt with by those that understand what is happening. Sometimes we regress and are not even aware ourselves. To walk through regression and come out the other side can be a awesome experience!

Age play can also be a awesome part of "lifestyles" remember it is play and it is fun!! Embrace your little or littles as some of us have. Let them run, let them fly. Haven’t we all at some point watch children in the park with envy?

It doesn’t really matter why we have littles. It doesn’t really matter why we let them come out and play. With a "Daddy Dom" or a Master/Mistress it can be one of the greatest so called plays there are. Try to remember our little/littles are real and they don’t just exist in the "lifestyle".



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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 12:57:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I by no means endorse circumvention of theapy, nor expressing anybody who interacts with a person in their Little state to Play the role of therapist.

However if you have a loved One who has DID, I would not suggest you turn your back on them either.   If your Loved One is in an Alter Little State and wants your love and attention and to draw pictures together or engage you as a little kid, I'm supportive of this.  

The Alternative is for what? To refuse to deal with a Loved One while they are in thier Alter Little State, and not engage or interact with them at all? 

Frankly, I am suprised in some regards here.  

Think about somebody your life that you know and love.  What if they had DID,  now imagine that person in an Alter Little State asking you to Color with them? 

Would you do it or not? 

Would you engage playing with them and showing them your Love, or would you dismiss them because you feel playing with them is wrong to do?

Again, I my no means suggesting one play the role of therapist here. 

I would tend to think that rejecting somebody in thier Alter Little State, might carry some ill or negative effects that could be potential harmful and confusing to your Loved one.

I'm attempting to add additional clarification to my own thoughts on this matter.

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RE: Regressive Age Play and DID - 9/1/2008 1:22:35 PM   
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Dissociative Identity disorder is a very comples diagnostic criteria under the DSM IV TR. As many previous posters have reported it is what used to be called multiple personality disorders. (If you would like more diagnostic based information please check out this link  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder#Screening ).  Whiplashsmile2, i appreciate and commend Your honest attempt to learn more information about a challenging area for many people. One previous poster commented that generally DID is traced back to severe, long term, traumatic sexual and/or physical abuse.  The danger in engaging with the 'alter' states of many of the individuals with DID, is that primarily they are unaware that their alter state has taken over.  Even when they are aware, the alter has taken over out of some (generally) form of fear and/or terror. i don't think it is healthy or productive to try and entertain these 'alters' when they are surfacing. 
Due to the long term, traumatic, and severe nature of the abuse i suffered i dissociated a great deal in my child-hood. {i must caution You all though that having the ability to dissociate is different from having dissociative identity disorder }.  In the last four or five years that's only happened to me a handful of times.
i think it's a bit dangerous to think that anyone who enjoys coloring, playing with crayons, markers, silly putty, pladough, molding putty, etc. necessarily has DID. i think that's way too big of a generalization.
i have no idea if this made any sense or if it was of any value or not. Please feel free to contact me, if You have any questions.
Kali


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