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Sanity -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 3:44:01 PM)


McCain's pick is pure genius. The Obama camp is telling all their friends in the media to shut the hell up because they can see what's happening...

Her lack of experience is a disqualifier?

HMMM!

Women belong at home?

HMMM!

Vicious attacks on a pregnant teen?

HMMM!

And so on...

Voters aren't stupid, they see how all these attacks make the left look pathetic.

McCain is an old guy, by the way. Obama's still wet behind the ears, and his "friends" in the media are dumber than rocks.


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ORIGINAL: chickpea

I think McCain knows that Palin will have to drop out sooner or later with all the media-friendly controversies she carries with her (he knew about it all during the vesting process...and knows how to "spin" that fact away to his advantage).  Even if Palin isn't the VP candidate by November, McCain will be seen as a hero by picking a woman--during an election bristling with resentment over "women candidates for President" mess. 

One OLD friend of mine told me, don't mess with the old guys, they got a load of tricks up their sleeves.  [;)]

So true, so true...




philosophy -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 3:51:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

If free condoms worked, that issue in that community would not exist.


...only if all other factors were equal, which you admit they're not. The issue of teen pregnancy is not a simple one, with a simple fix. However, someone made the point that where contraception is not available then by definition it prevents no pregnancies. Surely even if free condoms were only 5% effective, that 5% is better than zero.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 3:54:21 PM)

And  Sanity...

When a feminist with the credentials of Geraldine Ferraro starts talking about crossing over to McCain, shows just how much the Obama camp miscaculated in not chosing or at the very least vetting La Femme Clinton.




Thadius -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 3:54:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I personally am not attacking a VP candidate...but facts are facts. IF... and I say if... she was a member of the Alaska Independence Party  then she should never have been selected as VP... And if it is true then  this reflects badly on McCain's competence and ability to make good decisions.

Forget about all the old drunk driving charges and pregnant daughters but...run a search on the Alaska Independence Party , check out their ideology, and see if you think she should be a potential president of the United States.

Butch


Allegedly she joined the Alaskan Independence Party in '94 attended their convention and registered as a Rep in '96.  So what does this say about the woman?  She joined a political party, she decided it wasn't for her, she joined a different party.  Seems it didn't take her over 20 years to figure out that  she didn't agree with the organization... 

See where that is headed? 

Let me clarify for a moment.  One particular candidate in the race joined a certain organization that preached some controversial things, he denied those things were said, then after proof they were said he claimed he wasn't there when they were said, then when proof of that came to light he said he didn't agree with them but was not going to leave the organization or the leader of that organization.... we all know the rest of the story.

Just putting things in perspective,
Thadius




kittinSol -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 3:56:20 PM)

Riiiiight... so it's your opinion too that McCain really nominated Palin to win the election, not to govern the country, as commentators suggested.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 3:57:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

Surely even if free condoms were only 5% effective, that 5% is better than zero.


Unless of course the free condoms actually caused a greater rate, which seems the case in lower income areas where free condoms are handed out like candy in schools and community centers.




philosophy -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 3:58:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

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ORIGINAL: philosophy


Surely even if free condoms were only 5% effective, that 5% is better than zero.


Unless of course the free condoms actually caused a greater rate, which seems the case in lower income areas where free condoms are handed out like candy in schools


..got a link to that, or is it just common knowledge?




Sanity -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 4:00:15 PM)


If McCain IS playing dirty

IF he is

So much the better. Look how low the left wing media is willing to sink...

I say it's about time. One thing I always hated about Bush was that he played too nice.


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Riiiiight... so it's your opinion too that McCain really nominated Palin to win the election, not to govern the country, as commentators suggested.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 4:01:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Riiiiight... so it's your opinion too that McCain really nominated Palin to win the election, not to govern the country, as commentators suggested.


Kiiiiiinin... one cannot govern unless one actualy gets elected. McCain picked Palin to win and get elected because HE plans on governing the counrty and living to do it.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 4:05:25 PM)

philosophy...


Go to any inner city public school or community center and look around and then... go outside are look for the bill boards and posters all over the place.

Better yet.... ask the school nurse or health advisor if you can donate condoms, they will tell you that " we have 1000's but we'd loved to have the monetary donation"




philosophy -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 4:08:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

philosophy...

Go to any inner city public school or community center and look around and then... go outside are look for the bill boards and posters all ove rthe place.

Better yet.... as the school nurse or health advisor if you can donate comdoms, they will tell you that " we have 1000's but we'd loved to have the monatary donation"


...so no figures to back up your assertion, just a rather vague suggestion that i go look at some billboards in poor areas.
You keep saying that the supplying of free condoms has raised teen pregnancy rates as though it were an established fact, but can offer no concrete confirmation of that assertion. What is your agenda here?




slvemike4u -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 4:12:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

Surely even if free condoms were only 5% effective, that 5% is better than zero.


Unless of course the free condoms actually caused a greater rate, which seems the case in lower income areas where free condoms are handed out like candy in schools and community centers.
ROFLMAO...thought they didn't use the condoms,now the condoms are responsible for "a greater rate"...you crack me up FDD,you really do..




DomKen -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 4:22:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach
While I can understand some of the issues you have with Palin's decision making process while in labor with her son, I would like to point out a couple of things that - to me at least - are significant. 
 
Her son's Trisomy syndrome was not caused by her decision making process.  It is a genetic defect, one often present in children born to women in their late 30s and older.  NOTHING she did or didn't do during labor would have - or Could have - changed the fact that he was born with a trisomy.  Nothing done during the entire length of the pregnancy could have changed that, short of divine intervention, if you happen to believe in such things.  The only thing that Might have prevented the trisomy would be significant luck combined with the pregnancy being when she was significantly Younger.  The older a woman becomes, the higher the risk of Trisomy problems - specifically of Trisomy 21, or Downs' Syndrome - showing up in the resulting child.  If her son has a Trisomy other than 21, it's more likely a recessive genetic trait hidden in both families that could have shown up at any time in any pregnancy.    The specific chromosone which was trippled determines the specific type of disabilities caused by a trisomy, and they are as varied as the combination of chromosones and at what point during the pregnancy the faulty split occured.  Some trisomies are simply lethal in-utero, and therefore are pretty much never seen (and unnamed except by the number of the chromosone suspected to be the culprit).  Others are not directly lethal, and can cause problems that range from mild disfunction to very specific varieties of dwarfism to the mongoloidism seen in Downs'.

I guess I wasn't clear. The Trisomy was detected well in advance. What I'm saying was a 44 year old about to prematurely deliver such a child made a series of decisions that are frankly baffling to me. If she wanted the infant to survive wht risk the flight to Dallas much less the return flight? Pressurized airline cabins are at much lower air pressure than we normally experience and low air pressure is a well documented cause of women going into labor, major blizzards and hurricanes often cause a spike in deliveries. Then while in Dallas she has a symptom that seems to indicate that labor is imminent so rather than getting to a major Dallas hospital where plenty of top doctors would have been availabel to assist the Governor with the, seemingly, high risk delivery.

To be clear I'm not blaming the Trisomy on her actions. I'm saying that it would be a contributing factor, for me at least, to proceed with utmost caution in regards to that pregnancy.




Thadius -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 4:28:38 PM)

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I guess I wasn't clear. The Trisomy was detected well in advance. What I'm saying was a 44 year old about to prematurely deliver such a child made a series of decisions that are frankly baffling to me. If she wanted the infant to survive wht risk the flight to Dallas much less the return flight? Pressurized airline cabins are at much lower air pressure than we normally experience and low air pressure is a well documented cause of women going into labor, major blizzards and hurricanes often cause a spike in deliveries. Then while in Dallas she has a symptom that seems to indicate that labor is imminent so rather than getting to a major Dallas hospital where plenty of top doctors would have been availabel to assist the Governor with the, seemingly, high risk delivery.

To be clear I'm not blaming the Trisomy on her actions. I'm saying that it would be a contributing factor, for me at least, to proceed with utmost caution in regards to that pregnancy.

I suppose you missed the part of those articles you posted the other day, said she was in constant communications with her doctor, and he did not see any problems with her flying back.

So are you now trying to imply that she was attempting to abort through other than medical means?  Or are you still trying to suggest that she is covering up for her daughter?




cloudboy -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 4:40:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

What exactly makes Barack acceptable as a president?


He won the Democratic nomination. Millions of Americans are behind his candidacy. He beat out a heavy favorite to win the position. He saw that the IRAQ war would be a debacle from the start. He has class, grace, and dignity. He's super bright. He's eloquent. He's traveled extensively outside of the US. He runs a well oiled, high functioning organization. He's committed to bi-partisanship.

Just cause you don't like him, doesn't mean you can't see the reasons other might really be behind him.




DomKen -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 4:45:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

Surely even if free condoms were only 5% effective, that 5% is better than zero.


Unless of course the free condoms actually caused a greater rate, which seems the case in lower income areas where free condoms are handed out like candy in schools and community centers.

That's odd, the facts seem to be very different. Between 1992 and 2002 the teen birth rate declined by more than 30% from 62 per 1000 in '92 to 43 per 1000 in '02. That's before there was any sort of national abstinence only funding. The data also shows a similiar decline amongst all ethnic groups.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/nvsr/nvsr.htm

However in 2005, after 3 years of abstinence only education in much of the US the teen pregancy rate went up for the first time in 15 years.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/07/10/teen.pregnancy/index.html




DomKen -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 4:49:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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I guess I wasn't clear. The Trisomy was detected well in advance. What I'm saying was a 44 year old about to prematurely deliver such a child made a series of decisions that are frankly baffling to me. If she wanted the infant to survive wht risk the flight to Dallas much less the return flight? Pressurized airline cabins are at much lower air pressure than we normally experience and low air pressure is a well documented cause of women going into labor, major blizzards and hurricanes often cause a spike in deliveries. Then while in Dallas she has a symptom that seems to indicate that labor is imminent so rather than getting to a major Dallas hospital where plenty of top doctors would have been availabel to assist the Governor with the, seemingly, high risk delivery.

To be clear I'm not blaming the Trisomy on her actions. I'm saying that it would be a contributing factor, for me at least, to proceed with utmost caution in regards to that pregnancy.

I suppose you missed the part of those articles you posted the other day, said she was in constant communications with her doctor, and he did not see any problems with her flying back.

So are you now trying to imply that she was attempting to abort through other than medical means?  Or are you still trying to suggest that she is covering up for her daughter?

I'm saying I don't know. IMO her behavior is not justifiable by her proclaimed reasoning. I can think of one reasonable reason to take so many risks but that isn't a pleasant prospect. The whole doctor and hospital she was comfortable with, if actually the rationale used, is irrational in the extreme and should be taken into consideration when considering her qualifications to run for executive office.




camille65 -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 4:53:51 PM)

Its irrational to want to give birth in the hospital where everything has been set in advance for the particular patient? Knowing she had a pregnancy with a genetic problem happening makes her wanting her own doctor and hospital very normal to me.

I don't like nor support her, however using the above as a reason seems to be quite a stretch.




cloudboy -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 4:54:58 PM)

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McCain's pick is pure genius.


I thought you were against affirmative action.




Thadius -> RE: Political: Oh, dem skeletons be rattlin' in the closet!! (9/2/2008 4:57:18 PM)

Ken,

The same question was aked about why Obama, having hurt his knee or hip to the point that he needed to go in for xrays, waited until he could get back to a hospital where his wife has a hell of a lot of pull.  I can only assume that the woman, who has given birth to 4 children prior to this one, was aware of how close she was to delivering and with her doctors' permission got home as quickly and safely as possible.  Perhaps, it had something to do with comfort, and the fact that all of her medical history (including knowledge of the baby's condition) were at her hospital.  Suggesting an alterior motive seems a bit extreme, especially the motive you are suggesting.

You talk about safety, why is that same question not brought up about the numerous folks that every day drive 95mph trying to get their pregnant partner to the hospital?




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