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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/2/2008 8:31:19 PM   
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Neglects her newborn child for her own power grab.


I saw you, and Celeste and a few others make statements like this.
 
I'm curious, how do you know that mother and daughter didn't talk and decide it was fine for her to run for office? How do you know that daughter doesn't think her mother would be good for the country, and is putting country ahead of self?

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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/2/2008 8:40:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bipolarber
Neglects her newborn child for her own power grab.


I saw you, and Celeste and a few others make statements like this.
 
I'm curious, how do you know that mother and daughter didn't talk and decide it was fine for her to run for office? How do you know that daughter doesn't think her mother would be good for the country, and is putting country ahead of self?
Parents make tough decisions that involve sacrifice every day,loving parents usually skip the step where you ask the child to relieve them of this responsibility.Now what happened here is beyond the scope of our knowledge,but I would still have a problem with your scenario,she has a developementally challenged new born a teen age daughter pregnant..if we are commenting on her parenting,and given some of her public stances I believe it is right and proper to do so,she would seem to have her priorities wrong.

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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/2/2008 10:15:28 PM   
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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/2/2008 11:08:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
I saw you, and Celeste and a few others make statements like this.
 
I'm curious, how do you know that 'family' didn't talk and decide it was fine for her to run for office?


Caitlyn, I edited your question without losing the content because Mod 11 has already issued a general warning about TOS violations .. it is essentially, though, the same question.

It has nothing to do with running for office. My daughter may give me permission to do the wrong thing knowing it would hurt her for me to do it .. but just because I 'can' do a thing doesn't mean I 'should' do that thing. Palin choose what was expediant not what was right.

There are a myraid of ways to quash rumors rather than throw your own under a bus even if they offer themselves in sacrifice. To expose them to a scrutiny that those of more tender years might not be able to handle.. especially given the circumstances of their particular health status at the moment is what prompted my response. I called it like I saw it but I never mentioned anything other than Palin's action of that moment .. I never said she shouldn't run. I just think that she should have handled 'that' situation with more wisdom and loyalty than she did. She lost points with me because of it. That was and is my stance on the issue. I just wanted to clear it up.

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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/2/2008 11:15:37 PM   
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Inquireing minds want to know.

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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 12:53:46 AM   
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Mayor of "FrozenMooseDick" Alaska, Pop. 9000 (or, if you prefer, about 1/4 of the number of people who were at the DNC last week)

      Still more executive experience than Obama has, and in a direct and hands on way.
 

No. That's not quite true. Illinois Project Vote! in 1992 involved running a larger organization than the Wasilla city government. The logistics of registering in excess of 150,000 previously unregistered residents of Illinois was no small task. That's roughly a quarter of Alaska's entire population for sake of comparison.

This campaign also has to be considered executive experience. He decided who to hire and who to listen to. Simply handling all the internet contributions is a significant undertaking. Then consider his organization campaigned in every state and territory during the primary season, a previously unheard of situation. There haven't been many embarassing revelations and subsequent dismissals of senior campaign staff which is not just a hallmark of McCain's campaign but is essentially de riguer for presidential campaigns during my lifetime. Delegating authority to well chosen subordinates is a trait I certainly look for in a boss, looked for in CO's while in the service and is an important factor in my evaluations of political candidates.

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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 12:56:19 AM   
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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 5:18:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
There are a myraid of ways to quash rumors rather than throw your own under a bus even if they offer themselves in sacrifice.


Curious how you are discussing being thrown under a bus, by throwing someone under one.
 
More often than not, I agree with your point of view Celeste, but this is one instance where we have to respectfully part ways. You are drawing too many conclusions based on the unknown.

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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 5:22:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, as of last night, it's been established that the much ballyhooed "heavy vetting" of Palin took exactly one day. Last Thursday, to be exact. The team responsible for checking out her history apparently did a Google search... so everything's okay.

Gosh, suddenly I feel totally comfortable letting this fundie be a heartbeat away from the football. (the remote device used for giving the command to launch a missile attack)

I got a job once, just out of high school, as a telemarketer. It seems the application/interview process for THAT was far more stringent that what Sara Palin went through to be picked as VP....

But, she DOES have a nice ass.


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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 2:35:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
There are a myraid of ways to quash rumors rather than throw your own under a bus even if they offer themselves in sacrifice.


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Curious how you are discussing being thrown under a bus, by throwing someone under one.

 

First, Palin, is not one of my own. Second, I don't think calling her out on her actions is throwing her under a bus. I believe in accountability and personal responsibility. I don't see either of those two things in her action. Now, I'm curious as to why you call that throwing someone under a bus.

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More often than not, I agree with your point of view Celeste, but this is one instance where we have to respectfully part ways. You are drawing too many conclusions based on the unknown.


We'll agree to disagree then. I've only stated what I've seen with my own eyes.. it's her actions that I'm against .. not her. I actually started out liking her even though I don't agree with her philosophy's. I thought some young, maverick blood would be good for this country should McCain happen to win ... but the cost is too high for my taste.

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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 3:35:48 PM   
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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 4:47:29 PM   
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I still say Palin was an excellent strategic choice.


You have got to be kidding.

It seems like a long time since Vice President Dan Quayle denounced Murphy Brown for having a baby out of wedlock, bemoaning a "poverty of values." It also seems like a long time — and another McCain ago — that Republicans supporting W. smeared the old John McCain by spreading rumors that he had fathered an illegitimate black child.....

When you make a gimmicky pick of an unknown, without proper vetting, there’s bound to be a sticky press conference sooner or later. I watched it happen with Ferraro and Quayle, and I watched Mondale and Poppy Bush curdle with embarrassment but plow through.

The political unknowns, of course, want that tantalizing brass ring, so they’re not always completely forthcoming about their skeletons, if they’re lucky enough to be ineptly vetted. This is ironic, since the nominee who gets blindsided with these crises — Did McCain really know that this Palin reality show was about to pop and swallow his convention — is presenting them to voters as the most trustworthy people to inherit the nuclear codes.

Because Ferraro grabbed at the chance, without revealing to Mondale’s incompetent vetting team how damaging some of her husband’s financial imbroglios could be, she went from being a female icon to part of the reason it’s taken a quarter-century for another party to take a chance on a woman.

When McCain gets in trouble, he pulls out the P.O.W. card. Now Republicans are pulling out the sexist card.

Hillary cried sexism to cover up her incompetent management of her campaign, and now Republicans have picked up that trick. But when you use sexism as an across-the-board shield for any legitimate question, you only hurt women. And that’s just another splash of reality.


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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 5:01:59 PM   
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Nuff said.

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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 5:03:22 PM   
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Palin: Two Words... Vice President...

Nuff said.


Yep. The thought makes people's blood go cold.

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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 5:07:19 PM   
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Yep. The thought makes people's blood go cold.

Nah, that's just Chris Matthews' thrill running up your leg....


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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 5:50:41 PM   
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I still say Palin was an excellent strategic choice.


You have got to be kidding.



           Nope.  If I was cashing checks from the McCain campaign, that's the same advice I'd have given them.  Look how terrified the Dems and Lefties are.  They are practically frothing at the mouth, lashing out frantically, with one vicious attack after another, and that is going to splash right back on Barry.  I've already posted about that.

         Now, might I be wrong?  Sure.  Watch her speech.  We'll see how she does.  I think she's goes to blow a lot of people away, especially if she grabs that "18 million cracks" line.

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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 5:58:13 PM   
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Just sayin.

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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 6:24:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber
Mayor of "FrozenMooseDick" Alaska, Pop. 9000 (or, if you prefer, about 1/4 of the number of people who were at the DNC last week)

     Still more executive experience than Obama has, and in a direct and hands on way.
 

No. That's not quite true. Illinois Project Vote! in 1992 involved running a larger organization than the Wasilla city government. The logistics of registering in excess of 150,000 previously unregistered residents of Illinois was no small task. That's roughly a quarter of Alaska's entire population for sake of comparison.

This campaign also has to be considered executive experience. He decided who to hire and who to listen to. Simply handling all the internet contributions is a significant undertaking. Then consider his organization campaigned in every state and territory during the primary season, a previously unheard of situation. There haven't been many embarassing revelations and subsequent dismissals of senior campaign staff which is not just a hallmark of McCain's campaign but is essentially de riguer for presidential campaigns during my lifetime. Delegating authority to well chosen subordinates is a trait I certainly look for in a boss, looked for in CO's while in the service and is an important factor in my evaluations of political candidates.



       I don't know any of the particulars of that voter registration drive, Ken, but I've been involved with similar sorts of operations.  That would qualify him as 'project manager.'  Is that 150,000 the total number of signed sheets turned in, or the valid ones?  What was the ratio on that?  Did he have a volunteer organization, or paid?  What was the source of the funding, and was an audit ever conducted?  Did he have oversight with payroll and procurement?

       Now I'll certainly grant you that running a successful primary campaign against Hillary amounted to something more than the duties of a small-town mayor.  Ooh.  Ya got me.  How does that stack up to bringing down an incumbent governor, and running a state herself?


       And let's all remember here, folks, we are comparing the intern slot on one ticket, to the CEO slot on another.  The Dems should have woken up to that by now, but I keep getting that variable wrong.

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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 6:31:14 PM   
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RE: Palin: Two Words.. - 9/3/2008 6:48:29 PM   
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