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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/5/2008 8:51:37 PM   
Ialdabaoth


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Status: offline 		Absolutely. It's an integrated ritual.

We sit down. We discuss sexual perfunctories. We agree to get an STD test. Then we agree to treat each other as peers for the duration of the negotiation. Then we find common interests and desires.

And then, if all goes right, I tie her into an impossibly contorted pose, and then I alternate between beating the ever-living shit out of her and violently raping her, while she sobs for me to stop.

A good time is had by all.

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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/6/2008 1:25:44 AM   
softness


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Status: offline 		I get tested between partners (with whom any activities which could have resulted in diease exchange occur) and when that partnership extends exlucively for longer than three months, every three months. Every 6 months I go in for a full health check anyhow because of other medical issues so *everything* is blanket tested in a hospital every 6 months.

I have been known to pitch up at the local Family Planning Clinic 3 times in a month, some may see that as excessive, but having been highly sexually active, in a wide variety of very high risk activities, for about a decade (yes I was shagging about at 15) I have never had an STI. I intend things to stay that way.

If I am fluid bonded to someone, then I expect them to be able to prove they pose no medical risk to me, just as I prove I pose no medical risk to them. If we remain exclusive then 3 monthly tests continue. If we include additional partners then we go through the whole procedure again.

I play with relative strangers (strange to me, but not strange - someone I know and trust, knows and trusts them) fairly often, and so I have to accept a certain degree of risk present in that type of activity  and can take measures  to limit that. (boiled rope, clean toys etc etc) but I limit it by ensuring that I am not a fucktard about my own safety, or play with people who could be. I watched a Dom make a crotch rope for a girl in a club a few weeks ago, leave it on her for a few hours, then having got it nice and juicy ... use it on another girl later the same evening. I asked him how often he cleaned his rope, he looked at me confused and said "... but it never gets dirty!"

Lets also not forget chaps, that having an STI is not a moral blemish, ... it does not make you a Bad Person. Maybe however you got the STI does, or not doing anything about the STI will ... but the actual STI is not a moral crime.

edited to add ... I am fully aware this is riddled with spelling errors ... but I am too tired to correct them

< Message edited by softness -- 9/6/2008 1:27:41 AM >

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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/6/2008 1:36:31 AM   
MistressPav


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Status: offline 		Yes, I get tested.

My previous career, before I moved to Seattle, I was in Public Service. We HAD to get tested twice a year for EVERYTHING. And I mean, we were tested for everything from vitamin levels to every STD in the book to any and all Blood Bourne Pathogens.  (and yes, all drugs)  

In addition to that, I was a regular blood donor and they test your blood as well.  When my Dom and I got married, we found a good Doctor that we both liked and we have all of our blood tests/work done at the beginning of each year. He specializes in "sexual health for alternative lifestyles", so when we had our last visit, he asked us if we did any scat or anal play.  We like anal sex and play but not scat.  Doc suggested HepA vaccine to help prevent any sicknesses that arise from playing in shit, so we both got A and C vaccinations covered.

Neither of us have anything and I've never had anything other than kidney/bladder infection.   ....and I got the papers to prove it.



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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/6/2008 1:45:39 AM   
MistressPav


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quote:

ORIGINAL: softness

Lets also not forget chaps, that having an STI is not a moral blemish, ... it does not make you a Bad Person. Maybe however you got the STI does, or not doing anything about the STI will ... but the actual STI is not a moral crime.




I agree.  People can lie and we all make mistakes. ....and accidents happen  =((

There are many good treatments available and more progress is being made to find cures for things like AIDS/HIV

< Message edited by MistressPav -- 9/6/2008 1:46:06 AM >

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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/6/2008 3:09:28 AM   
CelticPrince


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quote:

ORIGINAL: softness

I get tested between partners (with whom any activities which could have resulted in diease exchange occur) and when that partnership extends exlucively for longer than three months, every three months. Every 6 months I go in for a full health check anyhow because of other medical issues so *everything* is blanket tested in a hospital every 6 months.

I have been known to pitch up at the local Family Planning Clinic 3 times in a month, some may see that as excessive, but having been highly sexually active, in a wide variety of very high risk activities, for about a decade (yes I was shagging about at 15) I have never had an STI. I intend things to stay that way.

If I am fluid bonded to someone, then I expect them to be able to prove they pose no medical risk to me, just as I prove I pose no medical risk to them. If we remain exclusive then 3 monthly tests continue. If we include additional partners then we go through the whole procedure again.

I play with relative strangers (strange to me, but not strange - someone I know and trust, knows and trusts them) fairly often, and so I have to accept a certain degree of risk present in that type of activity  and can take measures  to limit that. (boiled rope, clean toys etc etc) but I limit it by ensuring that I am not a fucktard about my own safety, or play with people who could be. I watched a Dom make a crotch rope for a girl in a club a few weeks ago, leave it on her for a few hours, then having got it nice and juicy ... use it on another girl later the same evening. I asked him how often he cleaned his rope, he looked at me confused and said "... but it never gets dirty!"

Lets also not forget chaps, that having an STI is not a moral blemish, ... it does not make you a Bad Person. Maybe however you got the STI does, or not doing anything about the STI will ... but the actual STI is not a moral crime.

edited to add ... I am fully aware this is riddled with spelling errors ... but I am too tired to correct them


softness,

No worries girl re spelling, good points made tho!

CP

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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/6/2008 4:05:38 PM   
IvyMorgan


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Status: offline 		Soft: re dirty rope...

I liked the guy with the vampire glove, who, having nicked his partner with it and making her bleed, popped it on when I was tied up to use on me, I said something along the lines of "oh darn, I forgot my rubbing alcohol tonight seeing as how I only brought blah with me... do you have any before you use that?"

Much embarassment followed (on his part) but all was well and shiny, and he even sent the partner off to scrub up before she did the scratching thing.


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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/7/2008 2:15:50 PM   
CelticPrince


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quote:

ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan

Soft: re dirty rope...

I liked the guy with the vampire glove, who, having nicked his partner with it and making her bleed, popped it on when I was tied up to use on me, I said something along the lines of "oh darn, I forgot my rubbing alcohol tonight seeing as how I only brought blah with me... do you have any before you use that?"

Much embarassment followed (on his part) but all was well and shiny, and he even sent the partner off to scrub up before she did the scratching thing.




Ivy,

Your such a tactful gal!

CP 

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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/7/2008 2:48:12 PM   
IvyMorgan


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Status: offline 		Well, you know, it *could* have been, and was, an honest mistake/over sight.  No need to make a big deal of it if it is.  Goodness knows we all have memory slips from time to time.

*smiles*

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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/9/2008 7:12:12 AM   
CelticPrince


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quote:

ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan

Well, you know, it *could* have been, and was, an honest mistake/over sight.  No need to make a big deal of it if it is.  Goodness knows we all have memory slips from time to time.

*smiles*


Ivy,

I would lean more toward the angle that he just did not care, nor had he for a long time.

CP

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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/9/2008 8:11:58 AM   
variation30


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Status: offline 		I only have unprotected sex with the people I meet in alley ways, but I trust them as they also let me use their needles when I'm out.

the proof of health only goes so far. someone can just get tested and come out clean but it could be that the virus or bacteria is still so small that they have it and the tests miss it. you then go on fucking for the next few months while whatever the other person has becomes more prevelant and hops on over to you. even if someone has an initially clean bill of health, check every so often (up until a year, if you're very cautious) just to make sure.



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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/9/2008 8:19:31 AM   
VivaciousSub


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Status: offline 		I always get tested at least every 3-6 months if I am not in a committed relationship and once a year if I am.

I agree with many of the other posters on here: if you raise this very necessary, self-preserving, safety conscious issue and the other person flips shit, RUN FOR IT. I have never and can't imagine ever being offended by a partner of mine asking about my test results. I would also feel highly irresponsible not asking the same question myself!

Test results are not a judgment call. They simply reflect a given state of health at the time they were taken/performed. I know people who are relatively chaste who have contracted an STD and people (like my ex-fiance) who are clean even though they've given Mr. Chamberlain a run for his money.

<edited because I used a word incorrectly>


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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/9/2008 8:26:06 AM   
BlackPhx


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Status: offline 		Implements used on me are not used on anyone else..but they are sterilized with antibacterials, bleach or sunlight. Implements used on others they bring with them. Master and I test for STD's regularly, I have had ever inoculation I can including the Heps though not Gardisil...and my Doctors do regular blood work testing since I have had several surgeries and have needed transfusions in the past. Nothing gets done sexually without wrapping it, INCLUDING fisting. Blood, Viruses, Bacteria and Serum can be transferred through breaks in the skin to small to see.

While you cannot demand to see a little card from public health saying that someone is free of all diseases, one can offer to pay for testing and to get the results. Most hospitals (at least here in Florida) will do testing on a walk in as long as you pay for it..no Dr. order needed. The big thing is however..at least for me is:

BE UPFRONT AND HONEST IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING AND YOU KNOW ABOUT IT.

There is a lot that comes out in the interview process that will raise red flags for me and bring me back to you ffor further questions or tests. One is number of partners you have had both sexually and Play wise. If you are a casual player at a club I will presume you have been exposed until proven otherwise, BUT, what disturbs the heck out of me is how many people will NOT be upfront about Herpes, Genital Warts or UTI's and PID's, not when they are talking with you seriously about a relationship and sure as hell not when they are playing with you casually in a club. I have seen it happen far too often..casual link ups without so much as a question asked and answered about health besides you asthmatic or have heart disease? You won't find me barefoot in clubs for the most part either..too many people walking around barefoot or even in boots (ever look at what you have stepped in after walking into the house?) and athletes foot is no fun either. Wipe down the tables and crosses with antibacterial wipes before using them and you lower your risk as well.

Poenkitten
(who also wipes the handles on exercise machines when she uses them)


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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/9/2008 8:43:35 AM   
eyesopened


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quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackPhx
Poenkitten
(who also wipes the handles on exercise machines when she uses them)


*grins*  yeah, and I wipe down the seats too, both before and after using the exercise machines. 

Getting tested is important.  But as has been pointed out, it only really proves you had no detectable disease at the time of the test.  Anyone who would refuses to refrain from sex and/or refuses to use a condom until it can be safely assumed that no other contact has been made outside the relationship is putting me at risk.  Period. Anyone who brags that they never use condoms would have to be celibate within our relationship for at least 90 day before I would consider fluid exchange.  Not too many are willing to do that, especially if they begin talking about having sex during the initial meeting before any compatibility has been established. 

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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/9/2008 9:15:05 AM   
IvyMorgan


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quote:

ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

quote:

ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan

Well, you know, it *could* have been, and was, an honest mistake/over sight.  No need to make a big deal of it if it is.  Goodness knows we all have memory slips from time to time.

*smiles*


Ivy,

I would lean more toward the angle that he just did not care, nor had he for a long time.

CP
That wasn't the impression I got, CP.  Certainly, the bleeding girl was clueless as to why I was concerned (she thought it was because I thought I'd get cut) but he was very apologetic and seemed to have had a genuine brain fart.  Sometimes, people just screw up, and it's not malicious.

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RE: Proof Of Health - 9/9/2008 5:21:12 PM   
CelticPrince


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quote:

ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan

quote:

ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

quote:

ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan

Well, you know, it *could* have been, and was, an honest mistake/over sight.  No need to make a big deal of it if it is.  Goodness knows we all have memory slips from time to time.

*smiles*


Ivy, Methinks your more generous than I! In my opinion no "D" can aford a misque when there are fluids, especially blood involved.

CP

Ivy,

I would lean more toward the angle that he just did not care, nor had he for a long time.

CP
That wasn't the impression I got, CP.  Certainly, the bleeding girl was clueless as to why I was concerned (she thought it was because I thought I'd get cut) but he was very apologetic and seemed to have had a genuine brain fart.  Sometimes, people just screw up, and it's not malicious.

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