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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 6:32:27 PM

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Vous êtes le plus bienvenu, ma chère fille.

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 7:17:10 PM

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Indeed, wanting change is not a valid destination, unless one defines what they want changed, and how they are going to achieve it.

To quote the one thing that Rudy said last night that is actually applicable.

"Change is not a destination, and hope is not a strategy."~ Rudy

In other words, one must define the destination, and present the strategy to get there. Hoping for change is not going to make it occur, and be careful of the change that you do get, because not all change is for the better.

You mean like the way Bush defined "victory" in Iraq?

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 7:21:05 PM

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Vous êtes le plus bienvenu, ma chère fille.

'Tish, that's french! (kiss, kiss, kiss!)

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 7:23:28 PM

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i know i can't vote and if CL had his way i wouldn't be allowed to comment either, nevertheless i feel i do have a stake here......just not as big a stake as a US citizen.

Only U.S. citizens have a stake in U.S. elections.

Damn skippy on that.

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 7:32:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Philosophy, you and kitten and the many posters from abroad who contribute to these Forums are welcome to do so. This is an open access site and we have people on here from across the globe.

I'm sure philo will join me in saying thank you :-).

diolch yn fawr iawn (thank you very much, in Welsh)

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 7:36:36 PM

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Only U.S. citizens have a stake in U.S. elections.

Damn skippy on that.

......are you trying to get shot down? What you type would be true if the US was entirely isolationist. As it isn't, as the USA has a foreign policy, what you have typed is demonstrably untrue.

In the past you have commented on these fora on the situations in other countries. Since your recent post suggesting that all foreigners ought not comment on elections in the US you have stopped doing so, presumably in order to avoid being called a rank hypocrite. However some of us have this thing called a memory.....so that aint going to work.

As to 'damn skippy', what the hell does a telegenic kangaroo have to do with the price of fish?

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 7:44:09 PM

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Only U.S. citizens have a stake in U.S. elections.

Damn skippy on that.

No. There are quite a few lawful permanent residents (who pay taxes, incidentally, and contribute actively to the economy) who are affected by the elections. Therefore, I'd say they have a stake in the affairs of this country: they may not have a vote, but they fucking well have a stake.

And that's whether you like it or not.

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 7:48:57 PM

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There are quite a few lawful permanent residents (who pay taxes, incidentally, and contribute actively to the economy) who are affected by the elections.

Then let them become citizens. If they're in the process of becoming citizens, great.

If they are not in the process of becoming citizens, they have abdicated any stake they make pretense of having.

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 7:53:33 PM

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There are quite a few lawful permanent residents (who pay taxes, incidentally, and contribute actively to the economy) who are affected by the elections.

Then let them become citizens. If they're in the process of becoming citizens, great.

If they are not in the process of becoming citizens, they have abdicated any stake they make pretense of having.

..... twp yn yr pen.......

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 8:00:28 PM

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Can anyone post Obama's Senate record? I wonder how often he voted yea to Iraq spending bills.

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 8:02:13 PM

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Their citizenship is beside the point, since they are lawful permanent residents and they have a right to free speech and freedom of opinion and expression, whether you like it or not. You can repeat the same thing ad infinitum, it won't change a thing.

You're obviously unaware of immigration procedures, however: for persons over 18 it takes five years after obtention of the green card before a person can apply for U.S. citizenship; 3 years if they have the privilege of being married to a US citizen (who has been so for more than 3 years) for at least 3 years. For your perusal, I attach a handy USCIS link: it will inform you.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/M-476.pdf

Your wishes aren't the order of things: c'est la vie.

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 8:04:40 PM

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Only U.S. citizens have a stake in U.S. elections.

Damn skippy on that.

Serious question .. are a Xenophobe?

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 8:10:07 PM

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Can anyone post Obama's Senate record? I wonder how often he voted yea to Iraq spending bills.

.....maybe as often as you have taken cheap shots at him

Philosophy Hussein

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 8:10:39 PM

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Can anyone post Obama's Senate record? I wonder how often he voted yea to Iraq spending bills.

Obamas Voting record

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 8:10:44 PM

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Philo, please check your cmail.

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 8:15:25 PM

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...right back atcha

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 8:50:48 PM

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Only U.S. citizens have a stake in U.S. elections.

Damn skippy on that.

Serious question .. are a Xenophobe?

Serious answer....No, I'm not.

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 8:54:29 PM

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Their citizenship is beside the point, since they are lawful permanent residents and they have a right to free speech and freedom of opinion and expression

Kittin, you need to reread my posts. I have never denied anyone the right to free speech, free expression, or free opinion.

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 8:58:45 PM

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So what is your stance on non citizens stating their point of view on U.S. policies in this Forum, especially the ones that directly concern their countries or countries of origin?

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Only U.S. citizens have a stake in U.S. elections.

Damn skippy on that.

Serious question .. are a Xenophobe?

Serious answer....No, I'm not.

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RE: Which Ticket Really Will Deliver Change Voters Want? - 9/4/2008 9:19:31 PM

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Only U.S. citizens have a stake in U.S. elections.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, aside from annoying people. Considering the volume of trade we engage in with other nations, and the amount of money and equipment we send overseas in humanitarian and military aid, I'd say that most of the known world has a stake in who we elect. They just don't get to vote.

Kirata

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