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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/5/2008 9:26:52 PM   
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So is The Enquirer now your preferred choice for catching up on the news?




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The only reason I even mention it is its hard to discount their investigative journalism after they broke the Edwards story.


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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 6:31:22 AM   
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The only reason I even mention it is its hard to discount their investigative journalism after they broke the Edwards story.


I realise that, Ken - it's hard to know until the rag is out. But let's not forget that the Enquirer is in the business of selling copy. It's possible they'll decide to take a calculated risk. After all, they don't care about journalistic integrity... not like Fox  .

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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 6:54:47 AM   
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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 6:58:07 AM   
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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 8:07:41 AM   
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A chick who's been in the news.
Very subtle Kittin,but the Repub's might think you a bit sexist for referring to her as a "chick"

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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 8:25:08 AM   
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Yeah, someone who the media's been working feverishly to try to destroy...



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A chick who's been in the news.


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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 8:33:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I'm sure it will bolster Bills sagging ratings. God knows he's been running on the edge of being cancelled so many times in the last few years... and it's nice to see he still hasn't changed his "interview" style... just keep talking over people, never letting them actually answer... just keep piling hyperbole on them. Remember the 9-11 victims that he treated this way? And the gold star Moms he had on that he accued of be "traitors"?

I look forward to the day that some guest on his show gets really tired of it and beats the shit out of him, on camera.

I have no compassion for bullies that disguise themselves as "journalists."

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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 8:36:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		doesn't anyone have anything to say about Obama in the "No Spin Zone"?
what is your take on his admitting the surg was successful, after he has been saying all along it wasn't?  i think he showed total disrespect for our troops and the iraq people when he stated that the iraq government had not stepped up to the plate by taking control of their own country.  that statement is totally false!  the iraq government wants us out and they are gaining control daily!

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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 8:41:56 AM   
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Well, I'm sure it will bolster Bills sagging ratings. God knows he's been running on the edge of being cancelled so many times in the last few years... and it's nice to see he still hasn't changed his "interview" style... just keep talking over people, never letting them actually answer... just keep piling hyperbole on them. Remember the 9-11 victims that he treated this way? And the gold star Moms he had on that he accued of be "traitors"?

I look forward to the day that some guest on his show gets really tired of it and beats the shit out of him, on camera.

I have no compassion for bullies that disguise themselves as "journalists."


Care to provide stats showing your claims about sagging ratings and edge of being cancelled?  Or are you listening to the My Special New Barrack Channel guys again?

The interview is definitely worth watching, even if you disagree with O'Reilly and Fox.

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To save BP a bit of trouble...

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Q2 2008 Ratings: Rankers
Fox News was the top rated cable news network during Q2 prime time, finishing in sixth place (Live+SD). CNN was 21st and MSNBC 27th.
In total day, FNC ranked #9, with CNN and MSNBC at #22 and #28.
Click here to see the Q2 cable ranker.
Fox News Channel had nine of the top 10 cable news programs during Q2 in Total Viewers, with The O'Reilly Factor #1. The top CNN program in Total Viewers was Larry King Live, in sixth place, and the top MSNBC program was Countdown with Keith Olbermann in 20th place.
In the A25-54 demo, Fox News had six of the top 10 programs, with The O'Reilly Factor again in first. CNN's top program, CNN Election Center, came in 4th, with Countdown was tops for MSNBC in 8th.
Click here to see the Q2 program ranker.


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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 8:49:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't care for  O'Reilly so I am not one to comment much, but that wasn't the first time Obama admitted the surge had worked.
There is no disrespect in saying the Iraqi's hadn't stepped up....they hadn't.( not so sure as to how that is disrespectful anyway?)  His point is that it isn't an answer in the long term....
He was not in favor of going into Iraq in the first place, not such a bad position as it stands.

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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 8:55:24 AM   
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I don't care for  O'Reilly so I am not one to comment much, but that wasn't the first time Obama admitted the surge had worked.
There is no disrespect in saying the Iraqi's hadn't stepped up....they hadn't.( not so sure as to how that is disrespectful anyway?)  His point is that it isn't an answer in the long term....
He was not in favor of going into Iraq in the first place, not such a bad position as it stands.


O'Reilly gave Obama credit for his initial position, and even agreed that the original policy was messed up.  However, Obama has yet to admit that he was wrong about his claims that the surge would cause things to get worse, and would ultimately fail.  That is the issue I have.

How hard is it for a man to say "Hey, my initial position on the surge seemed right to me at the time, time has shown that I was wrong about it, let's move on now and see that this progress continues so that we can get our men and women home safely, and put an end to this conflict and the spending that could be put to better use."

Then again what do I know.

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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 9:02:01 AM   
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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 9:04:48 AM   
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I don't care for  O'Reilly so I am not one to comment much, but that wasn't the first time Obama admitted the surge had worked.
There is no disrespect in saying the Iraqi's hadn't stepped up....they hadn't.( not so sure as to how that is disrespectful anyway?)  His point is that it isn't an answer in the long term....
He was not in favor of going into Iraq in the first place, not such a bad position as it stands.


seems u are not up on the iraq war!

the iraq army & police have stepped up!  check this out!!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/world/middleeast/02anbar.html?_r=1&ref=worldspecial&oref=slogin

also..alot agree that we should not be in iraq and it was not our battleground, but we are there and getting out safely is vital.  leaving the country more peaceful than we found it is much better than just pulling out and leaving it turned upside down!  pulling out abruptly is not right and even The ONE, Lord Obama knows that!!! 

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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 9:08:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		The transfer of authority codified a transformation that Iraqi and American officers say has been in effect since April: the Iraqi Army and the police operate independently and retain primary responsibility for battling the insurgency and crime in Anbar. The Americans, who had long done the bulk of the fighting, have stepped into a backup role. With the transfer on Monday, Iraq now bears the primary responsibility for maintaining security in 11 of its 18 provinces.
By DEXTER FILKINS
Published: September 1, 2008 in the New York Times

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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 9:09:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		IF I make a mistake, I admit it.  It has happened around here even.  We are also talking about a serious issue in which judgement was made, and that judgement was shown to be wrong.  Obama could easily take this one topic off the table, with the statement I typed above.

"Hey I fucked up, I made my decision on the information available at the time, and the commanders on the ground and troops in the field along with diplomatic measures worked better than I could have imagined.  This is a testament to them and their bravery. (insert more pandering and tribute the those in uniform)"

Know what I mean?  Instead he wants to dance around the issue, and it has been almost like pulling teeth to get him to even admit that there has been progress.

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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 9:14:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		that is why i asked the question Thadius.  i do not understand why he will not give credit where credit is due.  american soldiers, iraq army & police have given their lives to gain the control they have now.  he should be honoring and praising our soldiers!  not denying their accomplishments.

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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 9:15:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		no disprespect...but hadn't is past tense....they HADN'T....now they ARE....that is indeed My point...
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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 9:21:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		i think the decision to go along with the war at all would have been a much larger issue for me.  i do admire Sen.Obama for remaining steadfast against the war, when even fellow Dems were jumping on that bandwagon.  The surge is sort of an after effect of an already fucked up situation. Calling the surge a success is in some ways subjective- not so much of a success to my friend's husband serving his second, and possibly not LAST tour there. 



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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 9:22:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		no disrespect but a strong army and police force is not built in a day.  our soldiers have been working so hard training the new iraq army & police. 

i have friends that trained iraq police officers there. 

they HADN'T because they did not HAVE.

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RE: Obama on Oreilly... - 9/6/2008 9:33:41 AM   
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i think the decision to go along with the war at all would have been a much larger issue for me.  i do admire Sen.Obama for remaining steadfast against the war, when even fellow Dems were jumping on that bandwagon.  The surge is sort of an after effect of an already fucked up situation. Calling the surge a success is in some ways subjective- not so much of a success to my friend's husband serving his second, and possibly not LAST tour there. 




I will not argue with anybody's expressing their opinions about the start of the war, it is subjective.  However, the question then changes once we are involved in a war.  The situation then becomes now that we are here (whether you agree with why is a seperate issue), Do we win this? Do we fold up the tents and come home (leaving a power vacuum to be filled)?  What are the end goals?  15 of the 18 benchmarks have been met, the 3 that haven't are unlikely to happen.  Removing all militias from the country and disarming them, is something we are unwilling to do here, so how can we expect them to do that? The other 2 are very similar in what they ask, and we must simply say "Hey it's their country, they are going to set it up how they like".

They have made more progress much faster than we did, in terms of drafting a constitution.  You know keeping things in perspective and all.

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