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philosophy -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/5/2008 10:59:03 PM)

...are we allowed fictional characters?

If so, Captain James Tiberius Kirk......for never allowing two bad choices to be all the choices available to him......




aravain -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/5/2008 11:10:24 PM)

:\ My definition of a role model does not fit everyone else's v_v


Haha, she's female XD forgot about that... don't notice the baby text...

Jumping on the fictional characters wagon... probably Phedre no Delaunay de Montreve (I think I spelled Delaunay wrong, goddamnit). God is she amazing.

And now your regularly scheduled post...

Also, to a lesser extent, Imriel de la Courcel... though not in the pussy phase, but where he's sort of in that 'in between' time of being the boy who gets to say he's a man, and the hardened man who gets to occasionally be the boy he was. You know, before the big twist in the last book [:D]

Edit: Because I'm an idiot




Vendaval -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/5/2008 11:41:13 PM)

Yes, fictional characters also are allowed.  I favor Mr. Spock over Captain Kirk personally.  [:D]




DarkSteven -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/6/2008 7:32:26 AM)

1. Grosvater.  My great grandfather. He lived in Germany and owned a clothing factory, Gebruder Frank.  A flaming liberal for his time, he had his daughters taught Hebrew even though only men needed to be able to read it.  He also went hiking and mountain climbng with his daughters - in 1900 that was viewed as positively weird.  When purchasing reps visitied his factory, he gave them dinner at his house.  If the reps were US or British, English was spoken at table.  If they were French, French was spoken.  He also was progressive at the factory and had showers there.  Huge deal when you realize that his workers did not have indoor plumbing at their homes.  Those same workers risked their lives to shelter him and his family from the Nazis during the late 1930s. 

He died in his nineties when I was maybe four.  I heard stories of how I would sit in his lap and tug on his beard.  He had a long beard like one of the Smith Brothers on the cough drop packages.

2. Bernard Baruch.  Born in the South during Reconstruction and lived long enough to be on a committee on peaceful uses of atomic energy.  Made a fortune on Wall Street in the 1920s and got out just in time before the crash.  With his wealth assured, he entered political life to serve his country.  Advised every President from Wilson to Ike.

Held dictatorial economic power during WWI.  Responsible for ensuring flow of commodities to the war effort as well as for civilian use.  Prior to assuming the post, he divested himself of all investments that could pose a conflict of interest.  Political enemies later charged that he had personally benefited from his post - not only was that charge found untrue but it than came out that he shelled out personally for dozens of young women to return home after an ungrateful country refused to pay their train fare back after the was ended.  They had been relocated to DC to support the war as clerical workers.

Baruch College is named for him.  His last name means "blessed" in Hebrew and is the same word as Barack Obama's first name.

3. Captain Sir Richard Francis Burton.  A spy for the British Empire that went native.  He spoke over forty languages (not dialetcs - LANGUAGES) and was able to pass for an Indian dervish or an Arab shopkeeper.  He translated the Kama Sutra and Arabian Nights.  His translation of the Arabian Nights is considered far superior to the original because he embellished the stories as he went.  His copious annotations give insight into the Arabic world of the mid-1800s.  He visited the US and met the Navajos and also Brigham Young.

He maintained a LDR with his prim and proper Catholic wife while he traipsed around the world.  He kept trying to convince her to try a poly lifestyle and she kept refusing.

4. Otto Mears.  Built the railroads that hugged mountain paths throughout Colorado and the West, pioneering narrow gauges and overcoming huge risks.  More responsible for populating Colorado than anyone else.

5. Mike Romero.  A quiet, simple man who worked as a schoolteacher and became mayor of Lafayette, Colorado.  Lafayette was essemtially two towns - old Lafayette, which was poorer and Hispanic; and new Lafayette, which was more affluent and Anglo.  Mike lived in both worlds.  A tribute to him is here: http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/jul/05/leader-servant-and-patriot-dies-on-the-fourth/

6. Bill Cosby.  A kid from a single parent family, Cosby viewed education as the way ahead.  Accordingly, he managed to get an athletic scholarship for college.  He earned some side money by doing standup in bars and became a hit - his Noah routine is still considered one of the seminal comedy routines.  His humor was devoid of race and was clean.  He spoke of the humor in family life - God knows how painful it was for him to talk about healthy family life to millions of strangers when his own wasn't really anything like that.

His role on I Spy was breakthough.  Typically, Cosby was a black man in a role that was not defined by race.  His sitcom also showed a family dealing with life's travails that happened to be black but was not defined by that.

He wrapped up his PhD in education during lulls in his career. 

He's spoken out for young people to steer clear of the gangsta lifestyle.

7. My father.  Came to the US a poor kid from Manchester.  Earned a PhD and became a professor.  Open minded and always willing to learn, he finally got a computer for his 70th birthday.  He's loving being able to surf and to be able to write blocks of text and correct and move them about.  Since retirement, he's written musicals and acted in theater, using his ability to do any British accent.





dcnovice -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/6/2008 7:36:06 AM)

Two more:

Pope John XXIII: brought warmth and boundary-breaking love to the papacy and engaged the modern world

Harvey Milk: pioneer in the gay-rights movement




DarkSteven -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/6/2008 8:54:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Pope John XXIII: brought warmth and boundary-breaking love to the papacy and engaged the modern world


Good choice.  He also didn't get much PR for this, but he actively worked with Gorbachev to end the Iron Curtain.

When he visited Denver for World Youth Day, he visited a Vietnamese Catholic church and led Mass in the Vietnamese language.  THAT'S outreach.




cankles -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/6/2008 9:14:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheUtopian

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Andrew Jackson. He killed the central bank of his time. What greater act of good could ever be achieved?


Heh....Next to my father, Andrew Jackson is also my first choice. And the ''pussy'' comment is right on the money. They don't make men like him anymore. The current lot of politicians are a complete embarrassment to this country.

I'd pick John Gotti and Albert Anastasia as roll models when compared to contemporary politicians.

But just to name a few others :

General George S. Patton

Richard Melon Scaife

Aristotle

General Smedley D. Butler

Webster Tarpley

Vladimir Putin

Ike

Michael Irvin

General Lewis Chesty Puller

Lawrence Taylor

Ron Paul

Evander Holyfield

All my homies from Cali.

And as far as CM is concerned, the two guys listed on the ''friends'' category of my profile would never have to pull a dollar out of their pockets if CM ever had a party with ''no-host'' cocktails. They're taken care of....




- R





Holyfield? Seriously? His life is like a formula for how NOT to do shit - dozens of illegitimate children + brain damage = dude's like 50 and boxing in local gyms because he HAS to




cankles -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/6/2008 9:15:31 AM)

my pick is tom servo btw

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philosophy -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/6/2008 10:30:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Yes, fictional characters also are allowed.  I favor Mr. Spock over Captain Kirk personally.  [:D]


.......sure you're not Dax? [:D]




Vendaval -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/6/2008 11:35:35 AM)

Alas, I lack those wonderful tatoos.  [:D]




Jeffff -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/6/2008 11:49:35 AM)

My father. a man who honores his commitments, and never shirkes his duties. He loves his family without condition . He gave and still gives of himself anything he can and no one is ever reminded of the sacrifices.

In my entire life I have never heard the man whine once, but laugh  often. 

Very often I still ask myself " what would Dad do in this case" I measure myself against him and I am pretty damn
proud when I measure up.

Jeff




Aynne88 -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/6/2008 11:59:59 AM)

Noam Chomsky for speaking Truth to Power.

Howard Zinn for writing the People's History of the United States

Cat Stevens/Yusuf for bringing beauty to music, and making it alive

Dr. King. No Explanantion needed.

My beloved and dearly missed Papa for childhood memories dreams are made of. 




meatcleaver -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/6/2008 12:04:08 PM)

First time around I don't know how I forgot my great uncle. He fought in the trenches for three years in WWI and later said if he had been brave, he wouldn't have shot at the Germans but the bastards behind him who sent him and his comrades to fight the stupid war.




philosophy -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/6/2008 1:50:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Alas, I lack those wonderful tatoos.  [:D]


...it's never too late.....[;)]




TheUtopian -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/6/2008 11:07:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cankles

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheUtopian

quote:

Andrew Jackson. He killed the central bank of his time. What greater act of good could ever be achieved?


Heh....Next to my father, Andrew Jackson is also my first choice. And the ''pussy'' comment is right on the money. They don't make men like him anymore. The current lot of politicians are a complete embarrassment to this country.

I'd pick John Gotti and Albert Anastasia as roll models when compared to contemporary politicians.

But just to name a few others :

General George S. Patton

Richard Melon Scaife

Aristotle

General Smedley D. Butler

Webster Tarpley

Vladimir Putin

Ike

Michael Irvin

General Lewis Chesty Puller

Lawrence Taylor

Ron Paul

Evander Holyfield

All my homies from Cali.

And as far as CM is concerned, the two guys listed on the ''friends'' category of my profile would never have to pull a dollar out of their pockets if CM ever had a party with ''no-host'' cocktails. They're taken care of....




- R





Holyfield? Seriously? His life is like a formula for how NOT to do shit - dozens of illegitimate children + brain damage = dude's like 50 and boxing in local gyms because he HAS to



Heh...Damn near every head of the Vatican / Pope from 1200 AD to 1600 AD fathered illegitimate children....

Holyfield has the heart of ten lions.....and that's what I admire him for. I see him as the catalyst that brings America's Olympic boxing team back to greatness.





- R




cankles -> RE: Male role models and heroes (9/7/2008 4:46:11 AM)

haha, well I probably wouldn't put any popes on my list either dude! I see where you're coming from tho.




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