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What level of D/s relationship should the government ha... - 9/5/2008 5:37:48 PM   
tychtyp


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Status: offline 		Or, not phrased in an awkward metaphor, what level of control should governments have over their citizens?

Let's take present-day America as the baseline.

I'm convinced most people need less autonomy with regard to their savings, their ability to have children, and the types of contracts they can enter. See: the abysmally low (negative, in fact) national savings rate, the tendency for the dumbest, least able and poorest members of society to breed like rabbits, and the embarrassingly high number of people who took on mortgages they simply couldn't afford.

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RE: What level of D/s relationship should the governmen... - 9/5/2008 5:48:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Government should have less control over the people than the people have over the government and over themselves.

The answer isn't more government interference, it's less human stupidity.


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RE: What level of D/s relationship should the governmen... - 9/5/2008 5:51:18 PM   
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RE: What level of D/s relationship should the governmen... - 9/5/2008 6:04:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		You have failed to address the awkwardness of the metaphor.

Offhand, I would say that the embarrassingly high numbers of financial institutions with the willingness to loan (most of which have overseas operations) absurd amounts without taking their feet out of their wastebaskets and their ass out of a swivel chair, so long as the paperwork passes muster is going to rather spice the broth.  and you know what too many cooks can do,   they can fight terroism in Iraq.

That right there?  that is an awkward metaphor, get back to me with your thoughts.

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RE: What level of D/s relationship should the governmen... - 9/5/2008 6:13:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		About as much control as I would give you... I think both entities have something in common.  You like being in everyone's business...

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RE: What level of D/s relationship should the governmen... - 9/5/2008 7:14:07 PM   
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RE: What level of D/s relationship should the governmen... - 9/5/2008 8:27:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tychtyp

I'm convinced most people need less autonomy with regard to their savings, their ability to have children, and the types of contracts they can enter. See: the abysmally low (negative, in fact) national savings rate, the tendency for the dumbest, least able and poorest members of society to breed like rabbits, and the embarrassingly high number of people who took on mortgages they simply couldn't afford.

Discuss!


The national savings rate may be low, but we as a nation are still handling money better than the government.

Why blame the buyers who couldn't afford houses?  How about the dummies that FINANCED the deadbeats?

Good luck with your idea that the government should limit procreating.  The fight over THAT one will make the gun control fight look tame by comparison.


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RE: What level of D/s relationship should the governmen... - 9/5/2008 8:36:00 PM   
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And not only would you be selling your own soul into slavery, you would be selling your progeny into slavery as well, with no going back.


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RE: What level of D/s relationship should the governmen... - 9/5/2008 9:01:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lockit

About as much control as I would give you... I think both entities have something in common.  You like being in everyone's business...


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RE: What level of D/s relationship should the governmen... - 9/5/2008 9:07:41 PM   
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what level of control should governments have over their citizens?


You have it backwards, my friend. 
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

THAT is the proper order of things in the United States.

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RE: What level of D/s relationship should the governmen... - 9/5/2008 11:32:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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what level of control should governments have over their citizens?


You have it backwards, my friend. 
quote:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

THAT is the proper order of things in the United States.




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RE: What level of D/s relationship should the governmen... - 9/5/2008 11:44:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Our Government exists for no other reason than to serve us - "we, the people".  Just as I choose what to ask of my sub, and how I ask them to serve me, we do the same with our government.  I have good friends who have come here from countries that have the opposite mindset - the people exist only to build the state, and they lose themselves to the state, lose their identity, and cannot count on the state to protect them, defend them, or help them - just use them.  This is profoundly sad to me.

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RE: What level of D/s relationship should the governmen... - 9/6/2008 12:59:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tychtyp

Or, not phrased in an awkward metaphor, what level of control should governments have over their citizens?

Let's take present-day America as the baseline.

I'm convinced most people need less autonomy with regard to their savings, their ability to have children, and the types of contracts they can enter. See: the abysmally low (negative, in fact) national savings rate, the tendency for the dumbest, least able and poorest members of society to breed like rabbits, and the embarrassingly high number of people who took on mortgages they simply couldn't afford.

Discuss!


The purpose of government is not to control the lives of individuals, in my opinion.
The purpose of government is to provide security for its citizens, essential services
to fight common natural and man made enemie, and to insure that everyone has
equal opportunity to succeed...or fail.  Nothing more. 

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